S & W M&P 15-22: Talk me out of it!

[Dutchdiamondback]

Folks, pull out a sixpack and a cigar and brew on this one.

I read all the halleluja's about the S & W M&P 15-22.
You guys all love it. My main concern is the markings on the gun. And then particularly the own that says S and W.

* what the h... Is that guy on hollands nr. 1 export product or what...? *

Now, that isn't such a strange thought on THE Smith & Wesson forum. Guy droppin' in like a fly on a dry heap of BS and already flamin' S & W... One can only expect Staffmembers searching for the banhammer at this time.

Allow me to introduce myself: Dutchdiamondback, writing to you from the most beautiful country of the United Kingdom of the Netherlands ( as the one in Europe , that great nation to the west of that other german thingy) sportshooter, Colt-afficionado ( now if that ain't a give-away... ) and lurking around for a tac .22 for a dynamic form of sport shooting called Dynamic Service Rifle which is a rather popular form of sportshooting in the Netherlands. Oh - and before I forget - not loaded with cash or I would have opted for a .223 (5.56) AR-15.

Having introduced myself I am going to - as we say in the Netherlands - throw the bat in the chickenshed.

I'm about to wonder off to the dark side. I have a Colt Diamondback .22 LR, a Colt Python . 357 Magnum, a Colt New Service Model Ace .22 LR and "Big Momma", Colt Anaconda in .44 Magnum. All Colts and well - let's just quote the late Charlton Heston- : From my cold dead hands. Since my search in the Netherlands for a Colt SAA have been futile I'm opting for another Colt legend - the AR-15.

* colt-afficionado, eh? Why don't you get the Umarex? That has got at least a tiny piece of the markings right? *

Right...

I maybe mentally instable because of a severe case of Coltitus, but me ain't stupid. And I'm not going to bore y'all to death by writing down all the cons ( must be a pro somewhere but still can't find it...) between the Smith and the Walther/Umarex/Colt.

In short - here's the challenge for you all:

I am going to ask you lot to tell me why NOT to buy the Smith & Wesson M & P 15 -22. Tell me all about the bad quality, the FTF's the FTE's, the unaccuracy, the ones that blew-up in your face: let's play the be honest game here.

It can't be that good, can it?

 

[grimreaper21]

yes i would say it really is that good. don't buy an old used model that might suffer from the previous afformentioned problems. get a DUR#### or newer. the only issue i have is sometimes the bolt hold open doesn't always stay on the last round. that could be the ammo or the magazine haven't figured it out yet. hardly a drawback enough to recommend someone away from the gun- especially when most of these 'other' 22s don't even come with a bolt hold open.

 

[jsimmons]

You'll really be annoyed by the following:

0) The bolt stays open after the last round is fired. I know - it's not like the Colt/Umarex in this regard, but you may be able to get past that.

1) The fire control group is standard AR-15 fare, meaning it's painfully easy to swap out with your favorite custom wiz-bang trigger. I know, how convenient!

2) If you want to change your stock, I have some bad news - you can use any milspec adjustable stock.THE NERVE!

3) It's possible to change to a real floating hand guard because someone had the audacity to come up with an adapter barrel nut.

These are just some of the reasons that you won't want to get a S&W.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Welcome.

Another thing you'll hate about the 1522 is the ease of field stripping. Unlike the Colt, the 1522 does not require a six-pack and cigar to complete the task.

 

[Dutchdiamondback]

Famous movie-quote:

You're not helping...

There's got to be something. What about firing OOB?

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Famous movie-quote:

You're not helping...

There's got to be something. What about firing OOB?

I had an OOB after 20k rounds... My guess is that I'll probably have another before reaching 100k.

 

[grimreaper21]

problem from early models, check the serial # thread.

 

[shawnr5]

How 'bout this? If you don't want it, don't buy it. otherwise, pick one up, give it a shot (or several thousand) and let us know whether it was a good purchase.

 

[Dutchdiamondback]

Oh no.

Not the do it yourself so we don't have to play the who's to blame-game on this one.

Franctic effort: Is the ruger SR 10/22 a better gun for the POU as a lightweight AR-15 style in .22-platform?

 

[shawnr5]

I traded a 10-22 with a bull barrel, quad rail and scope for my 15-22. I haven't regretted it for a second and wouldn't even consider another 10-22 of any variant.

 

[Rottyfan]

I'm a new owner and have only taken my 1522 to the range once for a one hour session. What I'm about to tell you may steer you away from this gun. I shot 300+ rounds in that hour without a single malfunction or glitch -- didn't even bother cleaning it first. The last two mags I shot as fast as my finger could pull the trigger. You wouldn't know how unpleasant that was from the smile on my face.

I'm thinking about picking up one or two more

 

[kd4gij]

15-22

The only promblem I have had with my DUAxxxx Is the last time I wen't to the range I shot up 1000 rounds of Ammo in less than an hour. And had to go home. Ran out

 

[Incredible Me]

Thanks for the topic fellow countryman.

I'm looking into getting my first gun and this one I really like. Mostly I want to use it for "klapkaart" and 25 yard plinking. After a while I want to get into DSR.

My issue is, will my shooting-range accept this gun as "needed" and not give me the message I can't buy it. (US-guys, ignore this part, it's a Dutch law annoyance)

 

[Dutchdiamondback]

Sorry, folks. Here comes a bit of dutch gunlaw mumbojumbo...

Incredible me:

It's plain and simple.

If your gunclub fascilitates small calibre carbine ( as in KKK ( for US-readers; not the guys who dress in bedlinnen and who are cold all the time and try to get warm by staying outside and by building weird shaped bonfires ) which they most likely will, you can get it. You do not have to be a member of the APS yet, because the M & P 15-22 is NOT a dedicated DSR-rifle. It is not a copy of pistolsubmachinegun, it doesn't fire a pistolcalibre ammo like 9mm or .45 ACP.

So - from my point of view your gunclub should not have any problems issueing a WM-3 form.

Edit: I don't know when you can get your first gun, but if I were you I would wait until 1-1-2011. there may be a change in the CWM concerning the stock issue. Hubbub is it could be dropped which means stocks may slide after New Year. If you buy now, you could be faced putting the saw in your brand new gun to exchange your noncollapsable stock for an aftermarket one. The tube on the M & P 15-22 is molded to the lower and can't be removed.

Hurray! I found a downside!!!!!!! Party!!!!!!!!

 

[HalfSwiss]

Not a saw!

Supposedly, there is a pin that would have to be removed in order to allow the stock to slide. I think there might be a thread on this forum that describes the process to be done - when one moves from a "no-move" State like NJ to a State that doesn't have unreasonable laws.

 

[Jav]

Odd original post but hilarious thread

 

[Incredible Me]

Sorry, folks. Here comes a bit of dutch gunlaw mumbojumbo...

Incredible me:

It's plain and simple.

If your gunclub fascilitates small calibre carbine ( as in KKK ( for US-readers; not the guys who dress in bedlinnen and who are cold all the time and try to get warm by staying outside and by building weird shaped bonfires ) which they most likely will, you can get it. You do not have to be a member of the APS yet, because the M & P 15-22 is NOT a dedicated DSR-rifle. It is not a copy of pistolsubmachinegun, it doesn't fire a pistolcalibre ammo like 9mm or .45 ACP.

So - from my point of view your gunclub should not have any problems issueing a WM-3 form.

Edit: I don't know when you can get your first gun, but if I were you I would wait until 1-1-2011. there may be a change in the CWM concerning the stock issue. Hubbub is it could be dropped which means stocks may slide after New Year. If you buy now, you could be faced putting the saw in your brand new gun to exchange your noncollapsable stock for an aftermarket one. The tube on the M & P 15-22 is molded to the lower and can't be removed.

Hurray! I found a downside!!!!!!! Party!!!!!!!!

Thanks, I can buy my first gun end of spring, so if the new law passes, it would be nice.

Another downside: It looks bad-ass, they think you have a real AR-15, but then it's just a puny .22

 

[Scuds03]

I had to send mine back to S&W because my bolt was etching grooves into my cartridges. Still waiting for it to come back.

 

[Jswiney9]

seems most of the problems have been worked out of the newer models. if you buy one with an older serial number then watch out. two of my LGS quit selling them because S&W gave them the runaround on what was causing OOB FTF FTE (we had quite a few of the earlier guns come back in) but now all I can say is WOW and if you search any of my older posts you will see that I was totally against this gun.

 

[Jav]

seems most of the problems have been worked out of the newer models. if you buy one with an older serial number then watch out. two of my LGS quit selling them because S&W gave them the runaround on what was causing OOB FTF FTE (we had quite a few of the earlier guns come back in) but now all I can say is WOW and if you search any of my older posts you will see that I was totally against this gun.

Might I ask where the serial number is located on the rifle? I forgot to look the two times I held it and I'm pretty positive I'm purchasing it tomorrow