S&W M&P vs Glock

[EXERCISINGTHE2ND]

I want to love my 40c but it was just a fling for 1 day, s&w has had it longer then I owned it 2 weeks now still being diagnosed. My fs 9 has been great. I was looking at 40c and g27 for ccw, I liked m&p after having my fs, but this is a bummer. Might just have to add g27 to stable

Sorry to hear - I've had my 40c for month now and goes with me everywhere I can take it. Only 3 range trips but shoots great. My Sigma broke a trigger spring at 195 rounds - flawless since. S&W had it 10 days round trip.

What were the symptoms?

 

[HCF]

Sorry to hear - I've had my 40c for month now and goes with me everywhere I can take it. Only 3 range trips but shoots great. My Sigma broke a trigger spring at 195 rounds - flawless since. S&W had it 10 days round trip.

What were the symptoms?

The polymer chipped in the lower towards the front on both sides along the top and take down wouldn't stay down for field stripping.

 

[roughneck6]

This has been a great thread. I will take the middle road, I like both Glocks and M&Ps. I base my choice on reliability, size, weight, etc. my absolute favorite 45 is my 4506-1, hands down tack driver, eat any ammuntion, ha been 100% reliable. The only issue is the weight. I have a 5903 and 6904, I just like 3rd Gen Smiths. That said, I am issued a M&P 40 full size on duty. I think it is the best 40 cal I have ever fired, great grip, no issues on reliability, in my hands I fired 100 % on my agencies qualification course. I liked it so much I got the compact 40 M&P. Not has accurate as the full size, but I have had only a few FTF when brand new. My back up is a Glock 26 9mm. It is the best compact 9mm I have ever shot. Dead accurate in my hands, reliable, lightweight, and has a very consistent trigger. I recently picked up a Glock 30 sf for off duty carry. This is not my favorite 45. The grip in the M&P 45 feels better, but the Glock 30 sf is so easy to shoot, dead accurate, 10 round magazine, plenty of holsters, magazines, etc you can buy about anywhere. I have carried a Glock 19 and 26 before but became a believer when I carried one in Iraq, bar none, finish, feeding, sun, dust, heat that gun fired. So bottom line for me, even though I bleed Smith and Wesson, the Glock does have a place in my holster based on size, reliability, accuracy, and utility.

 

[jstanfield103]

I have had one Glock, ran good no problems. It is a proven weapon all around the world. Police issue testimony is all you need for the Glocks.
I do not own one now, I buy American made only in guns. I have 4 S&W auto's, Model 41, 645, BG380, M&P Shield. I have never had any problems with any of them, They are all comfortable in the hand, and the best guns I own.
You can not go wrong with the S&W or the Glock, just my personal preference to stick with the guns supplied by my fellow Americans.
But that's what makes the world go around.

 

[IllinoisCCW]

I have had one Glock, ran good no problems. It is a proven weapon all around the world. Police issue testimony is all you need for the Glocks.
I do not own one now, I buy American made only in guns. I have 4 S&W auto's, Model 41, 645, BG380, M&P Shield. I have never had any problems with any of them, They are all comfortable in the hand, and the best guns I own.
You can not go wrong with the S&W or the Glock, just my personal preference to stick with the guns supplied by my fellow Americans.
But that's what makes the world go around.

Well said. I read a lot of threads comparing firearms. Thats like getting a bunch of car nuts in the room and debating what the best muscle car is. It is all about personal preference and experience.

For many years I owned nothing but Glocks. Now...I don't own a single one. I own 15 M&Ps and two FNX. You couldn't give me a Glock. The Glocks I owned were flawless...never a problem. The M&P just performs superior to me.

The FNX is also far superior, in my opinion, then the Glock. It's high quality, American made, and highly under-rated.

Again...strictly personal preference.

 

[S. Kelly]

I'm a long time (since 1989) Glock guy, so I am very biased, but I feel the simpler Glock design will last longer with less maintenance. The M&P is a good design, ergonomicly (fantastic ergos!), but overcomplicated, with too many tiny pins, parts held in my the rear sights, etc. Kind of a holdover from the 3rd gen designs and features

I own 2 M&P45s and a 45c (don't ask-the deal was too good) and they are totally reliable and highly accurate. I think they are a far better choice than a 1911 but not as simple and uncomplicated as a Glock.

Less parts just means less to break.

 

[WrongWay]

Thanks

I want to thank everyone who has posted in this thread, especially the armorers who service both platforms. I've learned a lot and will keep my guns clean from now on. I might not clean them after every range session, but I will not let them go the way I did with the G22.

God bless you all, and safe shooting.

WrongWay

 

[Dewy]

I've been shooting Glocks since the early 1990's. I like them and they have served me well.

Lately I have been on a "buy US made products" kick, and would like to get some info on the S&W M&P line of pistols. How do they compare to Glocks on reliability, trigger pull, amount of cleaning required, and the abuse they can handle.

I have a G22 which I never clean or oil, can take it to the range and put 200-300 rds thru it without any failures at all. This G22 has gone thru thousands of rds since I bought it. I did clean it when I first got it, usually after every trip to the range, but decided to quit cleaning it a few years ago.

Will the M&P line of pistols perform this well?

I bought a used M&P couple weeks ago and the previous owner must have been someone with your mindset. I hate a dirty gun and wouldn't have bought this one if I had know how dirty it was, I know my fault for not taking it apart first. It was a Shield and looked great on the outside so I just presumed it was clean because the shop owner said the guy bought two and his wife didn't like hers so he traded for a Glock 380 (he traded his). Back to the gun, I have never seen such a dirty gun, I always clean my guns if only one round goes down the tube it gets cleaned. Like to have never got all the copper out of the barrel. Good to know a Glock can take that kind of abuse because my Gen 3 G19 has been shot hundreds of times and is spotless, it may last forever.

 

[Arik]

Arise ye zombie thread!!

I don't clean my that often it, doesn't do anything. It would be like changing oil in my car after every trip to work or home or store.

Every 3000 miles or 3000 rounds!

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[skip4309]

I'm glad to hear someone is interested in buying U.S.-made products. If more people shared your view, we probably wouldn't find ourselves where we are (you be the judge of just where that is).

I think you will find the M&Ps comparable. They have been, in my limited experience.

Modern ammunition is pretty clean, but why not clean the gun every so often? It is no great burden. I actually find the M&P a little easier to strip than the Glock design. People complain about the sear lever, but really, how hard is it to reach down there and push the thing forward with the blade of your pocketknife, or whatever you have handy? If you are averse to bore brushes and cleaning rods, how about one of those bore snakes? They're pretty simple. A little cleaning after every 500 rounds or so can't hurt.

No need to ever use the yellow take down lever...lock slide back...turn slide dissably lever down ..slowly release slide...when in battery pull trigger...slide comes off...easy as that!! Reassemble put slide on and lock back...turn slide dissabmly lever up to normal position...function check...

 

[Sgt 45]

My Glock 17 was made in America, slightly different finish than my G41. I have two M&P's a 9 4.25" and a 9c. I had the fs 9 at a night shoot course last week and it ran flawlessly except when we induced malfunctions, it's scary accurate and it's used a lot as a carry gun, the 9c is my other carry gun. Of the 4, I tend to shoot the FS 9 the most accurately, but that may be due to the RMR. If I do my part all of the guns are accurate and reliable. I also believe very firmly that one cleans their guns after using them, I know others that don't. One in particular has over 10K rounds through his M&P 9. If that's how he wants to do it so be it, I don't. My G17 is a gen 4 and I really like the grip, same with the G41, it is not a good as the M&P but, for me, this is really splitting hairs. I've fired over 3000 rounds through them this last month and they just work, all of them.

 

[walkin' trails]

I took my M&P 9 to a carbine/pistol class a while back. It went 500 roundd with no problems, no malfunctions, etc. I cleaned it because I just can't stand a dirty gun, although there are other reasons for doing so. There were several M&Ps at the class I attended, and I didn't notice anyone having a problem. I think the M&P is as reliable as the Glock in this day and age. Both companies are capable of putting out some good stuff, and some stuff that isn't when they get rushed, overworked, and QC goes by the wayside.

 

[DocSunShine]

The first thing I didn't like was the lock. I looked at the standard and compact, and both had locks. I have a gun safe to store my firearms, why the lock?

What's with the disconnector which has to be depressed to field strip. Not needed.

The finish on the slide didn't appear as durable as the Glocks.

The use of roll pins thru the frame instead of solid pins.

The whole pistol looked like it was supposed to be a major improvement over the Glocks design, and in my opion failed everywhere except the grip. I loved the grip.

The rifling was the standard type used in every firearm since barrels were rifled.

The price was better than the Glocks, I could have walked out with a M&P for well under 5 bills.

I could go on, but whats the point. I have many Glocks which have proven to be reliable and easy to maintain.

End of story!

The amount of fail I just read here is astonishing... You do realize most M&Ps don't have the mag drop safety (what I believe you're referring to as a lock) and you don't need to depress a damn thing to field strip the M&P, it can be field stripped almost exactly the same as a Glock. I've never heard of anyone complain about pins in an M&P and in fact if you examine an am&zap frame compared to a Glock frame it's obvious the M&P frame is more robust (remember Glocks .40 weapon light malfunction problems due to frame flexing)... Regarding the finish, frankly I LOVE the M&P finish, very durable. My Gen3 Glock finish from 2008 is definitely equally as good (maybe better only time will tell), but the new Glock finishes are a joke, may want to take a better look. In fact the new Glock finish is probably the second most complained about "feature" on new Glocks second only to brass to the face issues....

I previously loved Glocks, M&Ps with an Apex trigger and a good stipple & undercut job are a huge upgrade IMO. Had to set the record straight, but rock on bro!

 

[Arik]

You guys realize you're quoting a guy was banned quite a while back.

Either way the M&P do come with the mag drop safety. Not all of them of course but they do have em. Some states require it. A few years ago my LGS was selling new M&P 357 for $350 because they had the mag drop safety

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[DanielF]

I myself have never personally liked Glock. Not saying they aren't good guns just saying they aren't for me they are very bulky even the new 42 compared to other 380s with the same capacity. The grip thickness and angle are all wrong. I could never get comfortable shooting them they just felt strange. Not to mention the first Glock I ever saw I thought was a prototype. It's almost like when they were designing it they stopped just after the "shoots reliably"part. It looks like a bunch of parts that they just threw together. The M&Ps look and shoot like they were designed by gun guys not tool makers like Glock was before they started making guns. You will not be disappointed with the Smith trust me


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[Mister X]

A simple solution could be just to buy Glocks that are Made in the USA.

 

[curlysir]

To me the Glock vs M&P thing is like Ford vs Chevy. Both have their pros and cons. I own both, more Glocks then M&P. Have owned Glocks for 20+ years and have bought 4 M&P's in the last 6 months. The M&P's do feel better but the Glocks have better triggers. The Glocks are easier to completely disassemble. I shoot the Glocks slightly better but I think that is because I have been shooting them longer. The biggest problem I have right now with S&W is the parts availability. I can buy any part I want for all my Glocks (even the older ones) but finding parts for the M&P's is a scavenger hunt, most parts can be found but you have to hunt for them. Right now a good percentage of the parts for the M&P are out of stock at most vendors and have been for some time. Glock also has more aftermarket parts available then the M&P. As far as made in the USA, Glock now makes guns in Georgia, the G26 I just bought was made in the USA.

I like both brands and would be hard pressed to say one is absolutely better then the other.