s&w model 39

Going down the rabbit hole of "illegal altered serial number" is not helpful in this case. No BATFE agent in their right mind is interested in this case, no wiuld they ever be. Wait for the letter, the contact S&W directly about the gun if there is anything hinky about it.
 
handejector said:
Slow Down!!!!
The Factory DID make a Mod 39 with serial # 25.
That is about all I can say here.
GET a LETTER!
Send GOOD pics with the request.
CLICK for the letter form-

Smith & Wesson Collectors Association
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I SERIOUSLY HOPE THAT THIS IS TRUE---ALTHOUGH I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW YOU WOULD KNOW, AND WHY YOU CAN SAY NO MORE....

ITS ALL ABOVE MY PAY GRADE, AND MY "TOP SECRET" VIETNAM CRYPTO CLEARANCE IS IRRELEVANT ! ! !
 
one eye joe said:
OKAY TOM, I'LL GIVE IT A TRY---AND THANKS ! ! !
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Hey Joe,

Another thing that may help, ALL UPPER CASE MEANS YOU ARE SHOUTING! OF COURSE I'M AN OLD TIMER TOO AND JUST HARD OF HEARING SO I'M USED TO BEING SHOUTED AT.

It's not a problem, just thought I'd mention it - you keep posting any way you want to...
 
I'll take it. My badge number was 25. LOL!!
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In regard to the comments about unmarked M-39 pistols being in Vietnam, I posted some time ago on a thread about seeing a totally unmarked M-39 in the possession of a Navy "swimmer" I got stuck in a terminal at the Da Nang air base with. He let me look at and feel the pistol, after he removed the magazine from it. I did not know that it was a M-39 until sometime after the war. It had no S&W logo or any numbers on it anywhere. That would have been in about November of 1966. After the war, during my first job, I worked with a former Navy Seal. He found out I had been in VN so he and I became pals. He told me that he got badly wounded and he could barely remember being picked up by a helicopter. He said that when he woke up he was in a field hospital and his Rolex watch and his "unmarked" 9mm pistol were missing. I am sure there were not thousands of sterile M-39s over there and any record keeping of them would have been at a very high level if it existed at all and company policy would still hold that type of information secret. Believe what you will and doubt what you will but I saw one such pistol and heard of another.
 
Very nice indeed!! Congratulations iggy on your beautifull tribute!!!
 
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Tom Kent said:
In regard to the comments about unmarked M-39 pistols being in Vietnam, I posted some time ago on a thread about seeing a totally unmarked M-39 in the possession of a Navy "swimmer" I got stuck in a terminal at the Da Nang air base with. He let me look at and feel the pistol, after he removed the magazine from it. I did not know that it was a M-39 until sometime after the war. It had no S&W logo or any numbers on it anywhere. That would have been in about November of 1966. After the war, during my first job, I worked with a former Navy Seal. He found out I had been in VN so he and I became pals. He told me that he got badly wounded and he could barely remember being picked up by a helicopter. He said that when he woke up he was in a field hospital and his Rolex watch and his "unmarked" 9mm pistol were missing. I am sure there were not thousands of sterile M-39s over there and any record keeping of them would have been at a very high level if it existed at all and company policy would still hold that type of information secret. Believe what you will and doubt what you will but I saw one such pistol and heard of another.
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I TOTALLY BELIEVE EVERY BIT OF THAT STORY ! ! !

A DISASSEMBLED PISTOL COULD BE MAILED TO THE STATES IN PIECES, IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT PACKAGES OF OTHER STUFF. THE EARLIER IN THE WAR, THE EASIER IT WAS....

MORE IMPORTANTLY TO ME---WELCOME HOME MY BROTHER ! ! !
 
kharmakid, might I make a suggestion? Since the pistol's original owner was a NYSP trooper and you are a retired officer/deputy from NY, how about contacting the NYSP Pistol Licence Bureau in Albany...? I'm sure with minimal explaining and some professional courtesy, the trooper there, or a supervisor there, could/would research not only the pistol but also do a name look-up on the NYSP trooper/owner. This will likely reveal the pistol's origin.
 
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M39

This is allready in process, the dealer who took possesion of the pistol has filed his paperwork,i have been in contact with another trooper who is working on that end,as well as the historical society, The request to mr. Jinks shall go out tomorrow as well, "C" form information is not that easy to aquire as you can imagine.
 
kharmakid said:
This is allready in process, the dealer who took possesion of the pistol has filed his paperwork,i have been in contact with another trooper who is working on that end,as well as the historical society, The request to mr. Jinks shall go out tomorrow as well, "C" form information is not that easy to aquire as you can imagine.
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IIRC, MY ROUTINE REQUESTS TO MR. JINX TOOK WEEKS TO RETURN.....

HOPEFULLY, SOMEONE WITH SOME CRANK AT THAT LEVEL--PERHAPS OUR ADMIN--CAN HURRY THE RESPONSE ALONG......

AS AN OL' SOLDIER WITH NO DOG IN THE FIGHT--OTHER THAN TO SUPPORT Kharmakid--I MUST DISPLAY A VIRTUE THAT I DON'T POSSESS IN GREAT ABUNDANCE......

THAT IS PATIENCE ! ! !
 
M39

Mike ol friend,in retrospect i should have included all the info i had compiled in my first post,however i came here seeking the knowledge and opinions of those more versed than i. It has been a great experience and journey for me as well as the family, an answer is forthcoming. I shall be patient, but i wont give up the search untill im sure every inch of ground has been covered,,,,
Regards,
Chris
 
kharmakid said:
Mike ol friend,in retrospect i should have included all the info i had compiled in my first post,however i came here seeking the knowledge and opinions of those more versed than i. It has been a great experience and journey for me as well as the family, an answer is forthcoming. I shall be patient, but i wont give up the search untill im sure every inch of ground has been covered,,,,
Regards,
Chris
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W T G Chris, HANG TUFF ! ! !

WHATEVER IT IS---ITS STILL A SWEET LOOKING M39.....
 
kharmakid said:
After speaking today with the NYSP, the serial number is indeed the shield number of Trooper slingerland. The pistol was dissasembled today and under magnification the following was found.
Front frame rails left and right side .094
Frame rails at the end of engraving .094
Height of frame at front .617
Serial number height .125
Machine marks consistent on both sides of frame
No indication of refinish
Markings on frame, p on front of left trigger guard, number 7 located on left lower frame upper right of lower grip screw estucheon. Ive filled out my paper work for mr jinks and enclosed photos of this pistol to him,,now we shall wait for the results, ive posted a final photo of the dissasembled pistol in my album,,thanks to all,,,regards, chris
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THIS IS MARVELOUS NEWS---GREAT PROVENANCE ! ! !
 
ITS SOMEWHAT SAD THAT AFTER ALL OF MY POSTS, I STILL NEED TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHY I POST IN CAPS.....

NO, I AM NOT SHOUTING, AND NO, I AM NOT ANGRY---AS IF YOU PEOPLE CAN HEAR WITH YOUR EYEBALLS ! ! ! CAN YOU READ WITH YOUR EARS AS WELL ? ? ?

WELL THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THAT I AM A 100% DISABLED VIETNAM VETERAN, THAT IS BLIND IN ONE EYE (HENCE MY USER NAME), AND I HAVE A CATARACT AND GLAUCOMA IN MY "GOOD" EYE. I TYPE IN CAPS BECAUSE ITS MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO SEE WHAT I'M TYPING...

TO ANYONE WHO IS OFFENDED BY MY POSTS IN CAPS, OR CLAIM THAT THEY HURT THEIR EYES--- FEEL FREE TO SCROLL ON BY THEM. I CERTAINLY WILL NOT MIND, NOR WILL I MISS YOU.....

REMEMBER THAT AMERICA IS THE LAND OF THE FREE, BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE ! ! !
 
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one eye joe said:
ITS SOMEWHAT SAD THAT AFTER ALL OF MY POSTS, I STILL NEED TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHY I POST IN CAPS.....

NO, I AM NOT SHOUTING, AND NO, I AM NOT ANGRY---AS IF YOU PEOPLE CAN HEAR WITH YOUR EYEBALLS ! ! ! CAN YOU READ WITH YOUR EARS AS WELL ? ? ?

WELL THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THAT I AM A 100% DISABLED VIETNAM VETERAN, THAT IS BLIND IN ONE EYE (HENCE MY USER NAME), AND I HAVE A CATARACT AND GLAUCOMA IN MY "GOOD" EYE. I TYPE IN CAPS BECAUSE ITS MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO SEE WHAT I'M TYPING...

TO ANYONE WHO IS OFFENDED BY MY POSTS IN CAPS, OR CLAIM THAT THEY HURT THEIR EYES--- FEEL FREE TO SCROLL ON BY THEM.
I CERTAINLY WILL NOT MIND, NOR WILL I MISS YOU.....

REMEMBER THAT AMERICA IS THE LAND OF THE FREE, BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE ! ! !
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Just curious, how do you read the replies? Or even the complaints? Do we need to post in caps also to make it easier for you?
 
one eye joe said:
ITS SOMEWHAT SAD THAT AFTER ALL OF MY POSTS, I STILL NEED TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHY I POST IN CAPS.....

NO, I AM NOT SHOUTING, AND NO, I AM NOT ANGRY---AS IF YOU PEOPLE CAN HEAR WITH YOUR EYEBALLS ! ! ! CAN YOU READ WITH YOUR EARS AS WELL ? ? ?

WELL THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THAT I AM A 100% DISABLED VIETNAM VETERAN, THAT IS BLIND IN ONE EYE (HENCE MY USER NAME), AND I HAVE A CATARACT AND GLAUCOMA IN MY "GOOD" EYE. I TYPE IN CAPS BECAUSE ITS MUCH EASIER FOR ME TO SEE WHAT I'M TYPING...

TO ANYONE WHO IS OFFENDED BY MY POSTS IN CAPS, OR CLAIM THAT THEY HURT THEIR EYES--- FEEL FREE TO SCROLL ON BY THEM.
I CERTAINLY WILL NOT MIND, NOR WILL I MISS YOU.....

REMEMBER THAT AMERICA IS THE LAND OF THE FREE, BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE ! ! !
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WELL IN RESEARCHING THE THREAD, I FOUND THAT THE CRITICISM OF MY TYPING IN CAPS, CAME FROM A NEWBIE NAMED 1straykat. THIS WAS HIS 2ND POST---SO I MUST CUT HIM SOME SLACK.....

MOST ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN AROUND THIS FORUM FOR A MINUTE, JUST ACCEPTS ME HOW I AM---AND I APPRECIATE IT....
 
Walkingwolf said:
Just curious, how do you read the replies? Or even the complaints? Do we need to post in caps also to make it easier for you?
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NAAAH, ITS FINE Ww. I LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD OF UPPER AND LOWER CASE, AND I DON'T ASK FOR, NOR DO I EXPECT ANY EXTRAORDINARY ACCOMMODATION.....

JUST A LITTLE TOLERANCE GOES A LONG WAY....
 
one eye joe said:
NAAAH, ITS FINE Ww. I LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD OF UPPER AND LOWER CASE, AND I DON'T ASK FOR, NOR DO I EXPECT ANY EXTRAORDINARY ACCOMMODATION.....

JUST A LITTLE TOLERANCE GOES A LONG WAY....
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This is what the world needs more of these days in all areas of life...this comes from a conservative U.S.A loving gun toting Christian man...
 
merl67 said:
This is what the world needs more of these days in all areas of life...this comes from a conservative U.S.A loving gun toting Christian man...
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WELL RANDY--THAT BEING SAID, I MUST SAY W/O GETTING INTO THE FORBIDDEN AREA OF POLITICS, THAT YOU AND I WOULD GET ALONG JUST FINE, IN THE REAL WORLD.....
 
This is all very interesting. Can't wait to see what is in your letter. I worked very closely with the NYSP as a Member of another NYS law enforcement agency. NYS has 5 (05) uniform police depts, with the Division of State Police being the largest. As I said earlier the original owner had to be a Officer with a shield number that low. When Troopers retire they are provided with a Superindent's Pistol License. I do not know if the Troopers need a C Form to buy a gun. Its probably changed since I retired and moved out of state. It was not necessary back then, 8 yrs ago. All other agencies require a C Form, which is why most of us had a regular Pistol License. C Form means the Agency technically owns the weapon and seize it at will. I have no doubt they were able to obtain aM39 with that serial number from S&W with minimal problems. Forget the judge part having anything to do with it. That would have been post retirement.
 
M39

Lt7d103, i believe you are correct and im in error, i can remember walking into gun shops and making a purchase with the use of my shield, then using a c form at agency to register with nysp. Afyer the purchase i would then get it on my permit. That was 18 years ago, im not exzactly sure how the NYSP did theres. Im not sure exzactly when the State started the Supers license, this Trooper served 1953-1973 so its a good point,thanks for your clarification, now im gonna have to reaearch cpl 400.00 to upgrade my knowledge
Regards,
Chris
 
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