I'm getting ready to buy my first handgun, which will be used as a nightstand gun and a CCW piece if needed (not everyday, but if I know I'm going to go to a bad area I'd want to carry it). In the $300 price range I'm comparing a new Sigma against one of the surplus Sig P6s that are out there, and in the $500-700 range I'm looking at a fullsize M&P or a Sig P226. I've handled all of them and feel comfortable with them. Of the four, which is the best option given what I plan to use it for?
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I'm getting ready to buy my first handgun, which will be used as a nightstand gun and a CCW piece if needed (not everyday, but if I know I'm going to go to a bad area I'd want to carry it). In the $300 price range I'm comparing a new Sigma against one of the surplus Sig P6s that are out there, and in the $500-700 range I'm looking at a fullsize M&P or a Sig P226. I've handled all of them and feel comfortable with them. Of the four, which is the best option given what I plan to use it for?
Erich
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I own a Sigma, and think it's an outstanding value. That said, I think that the P6s are perhaps a better value . . . when I worked in a gun store, I never sold a P225 to anyone who was less than delighted with it. Good luck finding mags, though.
Originally posted by Erich:
I own a Sigma, and think it's an outstanding value. That said, I think that the P6s are perhaps a better value . . . when I worked in a gun store, I never sold a P225 to anyone who was less than delighted with it. Good luck finding mags, though.
Mags are expensive to say the least...they're $50 on sigsauer.com.
smith10
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P6 is my choice of the cheaper set.
M&P 9mm of the more expensive.
M&P 9mm of the more expensive.
Sigs are first class.
HEADKNOCKER
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Those Surplus SIG Sauer P6s for Under $300 are the Deal of The Century...
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GatorFarmer
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For the life of me, I continue to fail to see why people get so excited about the P6s. The trigger pull isn't very good compared to the commercial Sig offerings. The mags are hard to find and expensive. Aftermarket offerings for grips, holsters, etc are also rare. It'll also be a used gun with no warranty and an unknown service history.
Of the options listed, I would pick a brand new Sig P226 simply because mags will be more common and available than will be the case with the newer SW offerings. It also has a fairly long and successful service history.
Note that I did own a P6, and I even had plenty of mags for it, I traded it for a Model 36 and was happy with the trade. The 3913/14 pistols on the used market cost about the same as a P6 and are actually a tad smaller than the surplus Sigs, mags and parts are cheaper and easier to come by, and the trigger will usually be better. A 3rd Generation hi cap auto will also be in the price range of a Sigma or a P6. I still have my 3914.
My personal Sigma is a .40 caliber. It makes a Glock look beautiful and seem refined. Oh, it works, and the rough pointy parts left molded onto the plastic were easy to take care of, but a Sigma is probably at its best for a first time gun buyer, someone on a very limited budget, or someone who hasn't been spoiled by other offerings. (There really are differences even amongst polymer pistols.) Different strokes for different folks. It's an inexpensive handgun that is as reliable as a more expensive one, but handling and refinements hint towards the inexpensive heritage.
I'm not sure what kind of handguns you are used to. If you are used to 1911s, you might have trouble with the location of the Sig's decocker. It also takes training to learn to use a TDA auto if you were used to a DAO, SA, or revolver.
I'm not sure why you'd not want to carry it daily, unless you have some other carry gun. Unfortunate things can happen in any area and if you could predict when, you'd just stay home that day. I'm dealing with the same climate you are, and I have no problems with carrying a full size steel 1911 so a P226 should be quite doable for someone of average build, the P6 is thinner and more concealable, but the P226 isn't that bad.
The one downside to carrying Sigs, except for certain models that they've changed it on as of late, is that blued models tend to have rather thin bluing and are prone to finish wear and rust. The older P6s will certainly have the older style finish.
Of the options listed, I would pick a brand new Sig P226 simply because mags will be more common and available than will be the case with the newer SW offerings. It also has a fairly long and successful service history.
Note that I did own a P6, and I even had plenty of mags for it, I traded it for a Model 36 and was happy with the trade. The 3913/14 pistols on the used market cost about the same as a P6 and are actually a tad smaller than the surplus Sigs, mags and parts are cheaper and easier to come by, and the trigger will usually be better. A 3rd Generation hi cap auto will also be in the price range of a Sigma or a P6. I still have my 3914.
My personal Sigma is a .40 caliber. It makes a Glock look beautiful and seem refined. Oh, it works, and the rough pointy parts left molded onto the plastic were easy to take care of, but a Sigma is probably at its best for a first time gun buyer, someone on a very limited budget, or someone who hasn't been spoiled by other offerings. (There really are differences even amongst polymer pistols.) Different strokes for different folks. It's an inexpensive handgun that is as reliable as a more expensive one, but handling and refinements hint towards the inexpensive heritage.
I'm not sure what kind of handguns you are used to. If you are used to 1911s, you might have trouble with the location of the Sig's decocker. It also takes training to learn to use a TDA auto if you were used to a DAO, SA, or revolver.
I'm not sure why you'd not want to carry it daily, unless you have some other carry gun. Unfortunate things can happen in any area and if you could predict when, you'd just stay home that day. I'm dealing with the same climate you are, and I have no problems with carrying a full size steel 1911 so a P226 should be quite doable for someone of average build, the P6 is thinner and more concealable, but the P226 isn't that bad.
The one downside to carrying Sigs, except for certain models that they've changed it on as of late, is that blued models tend to have rather thin bluing and are prone to finish wear and rust. The older P6s will certainly have the older style finish.
RON in PA
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One thing to bear in mind with the P6 is that it was not designed for feeding hollow point ammo and thus may present problems with modern self-defense ammo.
presspics
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Let us not forget something about the SIG P6. If you get an earlier one, it's ramp and chamber are not able to handle hollow point ammo. There is plenty of information on that over at SIGForum.
The SIGMA is a very good gun for the money.
The M&P is an even better gun for the money.
The SIG P226 is a great gun if you buy an older model that was made in Germany. The US made guns have issues so I would avoid the US SIGs.
Don't overlook the SIG P228 and the S&W 3rd Generation guns. You can't go wrong with any of those.
The SIGMA is a very good gun for the money.
The M&P is an even better gun for the money.
The SIG P226 is a great gun if you buy an older model that was made in Germany. The US made guns have issues so I would avoid the US SIGs.
Don't overlook the SIG P228 and the S&W 3rd Generation guns. You can't go wrong with any of those.
All comments thus far regarding the Sig are well founded. I however would strongly suggest the S&W Sigma, M&P (my favorite match gun) and most any of the S&W Semi autos as the customer service and willingness to do almost anything to make it right and within factory safety and performance spec's is unbelievably fine. Only Dillon Customer service is better! You will not regret a Smith in your arsenal!!!
Randy
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+1 on SW Customer Service... I know there have been other comments to the contrary, but they've always done me right, whenever I've called to order parts... I've always been surprised with them showing up at no charge.
Have you considered one of the PD trade in S&W 3rd Gen pistols? A 4006 can be had in the $300 price range and they are as reliable and non picky about ammo as they come.
Have you considered one of the PD trade in S&W 3rd Gen pistols? A 4006 can be had in the $300 price range and they are as reliable and non picky about ammo as they come.
Nelson Kyle K
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O Hell I would buy both; have your cake and eat it to!
The guns I learned to shoot with were a Sigma and a Beretta 92FS so I'm pretty comfortable with almost anything.
As for why I don't plan on carrying daily, my daily routine consists of me getting in my car, driving a mile to work, working, and then driving back, all in the Northern Virginia DC suburbs. Not really much reason to carry...but I would like something that I can conceal if necessary. I'm about 5'10 and pretty thin but I could probably get away with carrying a P226 under a jacket.
shortranger
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Okay, here's my out-of-left-field carry suggestion for the day: since you have learned to shoot a Sigma, give some thought to a nice, used 5946. Accurate, DAO, easy to shoot, solid steel, will carry as well as a 226 (a gun I like, btw), and will last virtually forever. The 5946 is one of those guns that I periodically rediscover when I am rummaging through my gun closet and I always wonder why in the world I stopped using it.
Shorty
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I think if I'm going to get a 3rd gen I'll look for one of the ex-Gwinnett PD 5903TSWs. I'm comfortable with both TDA and DAO but would prefer TDA if it's available on a given model. I also like having an accessory rail to put a light or laser on since I won't be carrying it too often (and when I do I can just remove the light).
shortranger
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Certainly a good choice - any 3rd gen is. The TSW series are not my particular cup of tea (don't care for the rail), but a good choice nonetheless.
Shorty
Ironvic
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I have a S&W S&W 9c and like it, right now the mag release is sticking, so I'm holding off judgement until I get it resolved. I also have a Sig P-226 in 9mm. It's full sized, but man, I LOVE THIS GUN!
When I bought it last year, I asked the shop guy if he had any P-226 law enforcement trade-ins, and he brought out three. One had adjustable sights, added aftermarket, no way. One had Hogue rubbers on it-naw, too bulky. But one was holster worn on the slide's finish, had those cool checkered black plastic grips and was well cared for by a department armorer. It shoots like a dream and was once use to serve and protect.
You can likely find a nice Sig as a LE trade-in if you ask. I got mine for $275.00 out the door with a high cap mag and I've already staked my life once while camping and I'd do it again.
The 9c is still a wait n' see...
When I bought it last year, I asked the shop guy if he had any P-226 law enforcement trade-ins, and he brought out three. One had adjustable sights, added aftermarket, no way. One had Hogue rubbers on it-naw, too bulky. But one was holster worn on the slide's finish, had those cool checkered black plastic grips and was well cared for by a department armorer. It shoots like a dream and was once use to serve and protect.
You can likely find a nice Sig as a LE trade-in if you ask. I got mine for $275.00 out the door with a high cap mag and I've already staked my life once while camping and I'd do it again.
The 9c is still a wait n' see...
If I can find a P226 for the price of a Sigma I'll be all over it. I know 5903TSWs and 4003TSWs have been in the $350 range as well so hopefully I'll be able to find something that I like in that range. If not, there's always a new M&P40 (though the 10lbs trigger model I want always seems to be more expensive than other models).
There's a large gun show coming up next month here in Northern VA so I may have to go see what I can find...
SgtMoe
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Well you could buy both, and if you don't like one....sell it.....I have Sigma 40GVE and its a good little gun and been carrying it for three years now......and now I am saving up for a Sig P245 for my next EDC...Its all about what you want....it doesn't what what we say here on the forum......
GatorFarmer
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I'm a homemaker here in suburban VA, though probably an hour south of year. All I can say is that odd things happen at odd times down here. Where I live is pretty safe, buy every now and again something happens out of the blue. Anyway, I'm 6'1" and still skinny and can hide even an N frame revolver IWB under just a polo shirt. Skinny guys actually have it easy once you learn to dress around the gun.
Anyway, if you follow Shorty's advice and start looking into the 3rd Gen autos, there are some deals right now to be had on the prerail 4053 TSWs in .40SW. These are good guns, I have one. Quite concealable and still hold either 9 or 11 rds of .40 depending on which mag you use.
You might also want to check a CDNN catalog, they had some deals recently on H&Ks that would be in the upper end of your price range, but still within reason. While current American made Sigs may have issues (I don't know, all my Sigs were made in Germany that I've had over the years), current H&Ks are still made by some wacky cultish Germans. You might also want to look at the current FN offerings, as sometimes there are real deals on these to be had.
True, there are occasional things around here that are a bit odd. My friends and I were out in Sterling the other night and arrived at an International House of Pancakes right after some kind of violent incident (at least we assumed so judging by the 15 police cruisers out front). That being said, I have a 5 minute commute to my office on a bad day, and nothing is going to happen at the office. At this point in time I just have no need to carry every day.
The HKs are nice, but very expensive due to how overengineered they are. I'll probably just end up looking for some kind of LE trade-in pistol at the gun show that's happening up here next month.
45caldan
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There are too many assumptions by some concerning P6s not able to handle JHPs. Any that were made mid 80s or later have an updated feed ramp thus no worries at all. Mine is an old style ('81) ramp and only needed a little polishing on the ramp to feed JHPs without any problems at all.
More info here.......
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/5421...331081131#8331081131
More info here.......
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/5421...331081131#8331081131
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My vote goes to full size M&P in .40 S&W caliber. For the nightstand, you can put on a light, it is thin enough to carry concealed, holds 15 rounds of powerful ammo and is comfortable to shoot. The difference in price between S&W and SIG will pay for a bunch of practice ammo, which is a nice bonus.
45caldan
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Put another 100 rds of JHPs (Magtech 124grn) thru my 1/81 P6 this afternoon with 0 problems!
cxm
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The SIG P6 is a pretty dated design, though it is good quality and gives good service... the price is right.
The SIGMA is IMHO a rather under appreciated pistol... they are reasonably accurate, reliable and go bang every time. It is basically a S&W Glock.
The S&W M&P series is a step up... it is a splendid pistol, an easy trigger job makes it easily the best "modern" pistol on the market... and the price is right...of course it is accurate, ergonomic, a natural pointer, and accurate... plus it has the S&W lifetime warranty.
The M&P is by a good bit the best choice if your budget permits...
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Chuck
The SIGMA is IMHO a rather under appreciated pistol... they are reasonably accurate, reliable and go bang every time. It is basically a S&W Glock.
The S&W M&P series is a step up... it is a splendid pistol, an easy trigger job makes it easily the best "modern" pistol on the market... and the price is right...of course it is accurate, ergonomic, a natural pointer, and accurate... plus it has the S&W lifetime warranty.
The M&P is by a good bit the best choice if your budget permits...
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Chuck
The Sigma is definitely under-appreciated, especially at the price. I like it and it fits my hand well, but you can really tell that something like an M&P or Sig P226 is put together better.
I've got another option I found today at a gun store...a Walther P99 A/S. Lightly used with two 10-round mags the gun store wants $550. Opinions on the price and how it stacks up against the Sigma, P226, and M&P?
I've got another option I found today at a gun store...a Walther P99 A/S. Lightly used with two 10-round mags the gun store wants $550. Opinions on the price and how it stacks up against the Sigma, P226, and M&P?
cxm
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For $550 you can get a M&P... why not get the best?
A SIG 226 is going to cost you a good bit more than the S&W... no question the P226 is a good pistol... but for a 9mm it is a fairly large pistol. I think the M&Ps point better than anything on the market...and the sizeable grips are a real plus too...
I'd go M&P and use the extra money to buy ammo to get very proficient with the M&P.
FWIW
Chuck
A SIG 226 is going to cost you a good bit more than the S&W... no question the P226 is a good pistol... but for a 9mm it is a fairly large pistol. I think the M&Ps point better than anything on the market...and the sizeable grips are a real plus too...
I'd go M&P and use the extra money to buy ammo to get very proficient with the M&P.
FWIW
Chuck
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