CAJUNLAWYER
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I've heard that thing about the rifle being in the car too. Would like for someone to definitively say what bullets were used to put this one to rest.
Sandy Hook shooting a managed event?
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venomballistics
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I only have three solid facts
1) the school got shot up
2) people died
3) Agendas are being pushed upon the blood of children.
as far as what happened specifically ... that will never come out, we should know better.
so much has been fabricated and contorted by the media and others that I even question the body count.
The felonious acts extend far beyond the bloodshed
1) the school got shot up
2) people died
3) Agendas are being pushed upon the blood of children.
as far as what happened specifically ... that will never come out, we should know better.
so much has been fabricated and contorted by the media and others that I even question the body count.
The felonious acts extend far beyond the bloodshed
mc5aw
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feralmerril
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MC5aw; you might add: Vince foster in the same breath and people involved.
SandW_itch
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Hoax? Probably not. Managed aftermath? Probably. I do know it was one of the worst reported news stories I've seen. Lots of conflicting information from the start.
keith44spl
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As to the incidents of late...
No matter how ya cut it, it all stinks!
My point being....I believe very little of anything I read or hear and
sumtimes things that I witness my ownself.
Su Amigo,
Dave
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williamlayton
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I have read some of the conspiracy material.
Folks---the early media blitz that evolved around a very sad event is largely to blame.
A reporter who is seeming working on commission goes looking for a strory.
he talks to a policman who is grauring a road block and the policeman says he heard so & so.
Then he talks to a bystander who says her BIL-first ex-wifesfriend has a cousin who was in the building and THEY said.
This is the reason they don't allow hear say evidence.
But, by the time the police begin to patch together the facts--at least a day later--and give it to the news there are many who have already head all the facts and they were certainly not the same as the government is saying now so it is a cover-up and a conspiracy.
Folks take a deep breath---get some oxygen and let's wait to see what really happened. It does not matter that we are the last to know.
Blessings
Folks---the early media blitz that evolved around a very sad event is largely to blame.
A reporter who is seeming working on commission goes looking for a strory.
he talks to a policman who is grauring a road block and the policeman says he heard so & so.
Then he talks to a bystander who says her BIL-first ex-wifesfriend has a cousin who was in the building and THEY said.
This is the reason they don't allow hear say evidence.
But, by the time the police begin to patch together the facts--at least a day later--and give it to the news there are many who have already head all the facts and they were certainly not the same as the government is saying now so it is a cover-up and a conspiracy.
Folks take a deep breath---get some oxygen and let's wait to see what really happened. It does not matter that we are the last to know.
Blessings
feralmerril
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I belive this case is as simple as it appears. However there are cases we never will hear the truth on like kennedys assassination, vince foster`s supposedly impossable suicide, marlines monroes death etc. That is, we MIGHT hear the truths on judgement day. I really belive all the above had conspiracy elaments and I THINK I am 90% right in my mind as to who and why all were done.
tom turner
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I've seen blurry photos of the "rifle" in the trunk. Looks like the shape of a shotgun to me but it is hard to tell.
HOWEVER . . .
I real time, the early reports were that "two pistols, both 9mm were used. A Glock and a Sig Sauer. That means probably a Model 17 or 19, and a 226. THAT kind of SPECIFIC information makes it hard for me to see how later it was a Bushmaster. A Bushy doesn't look like a Glock or a Sig Sauer.
I'm not one of those tin foil guys, but I do smell a rat here. We'll never know for sure, for the really powerful polictians moved in real fast with their agendas on this one. I'm thinking the pistols did the job though.
HOWEVER . . .
I real time, the early reports were that "two pistols, both 9mm were used. A Glock and a Sig Sauer. That means probably a Model 17 or 19, and a 226. THAT kind of SPECIFIC information makes it hard for me to see how later it was a Bushmaster. A Bushy doesn't look like a Glock or a Sig Sauer.
I'm not one of those tin foil guys, but I do smell a rat here. We'll never know for sure, for the really powerful polictians moved in real fast with their agendas on this one. I'm thinking the pistols did the job though.
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StatesRightist
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Many of you get the point to my post, some missed it.
Most people are aware enough to get there are some facts being distorted in this event. That leads to how much distortion is there? is it intentional and for what goal?
My primary points are these:
1. The event is being purposely used/manipulated to forward and agenda. The agenda and it's pushers could care less abut the kids, just the leverage it provides.
2. Assuming it's intentional manipulation of the facts, what's the goal? TO:
a. Get your 30 round magazine and a AWB Ban and that's it?
b. Start down the path to getting them all?
c. Disarm the American public to make us docile for whatever end goal?
You need to decide which of the above you think, that logically, should then decide what level of resistance you are going to put up to this latest effort at gun control.
3. The more gun owners can conclusively show was not true as told by the event tellers/shapers, the better job we can do discussing the actual issues of these events, not just evil guns with the undecided.
I personally think there is more to the agenda and this is important to our future because it's about more that just getting my AR. You'll have to decide for yourself. Join the NRA, call/write the proper people, but have a definitive course of action planned if it comes down to worst case scenarios.
Most people are aware enough to get there are some facts being distorted in this event. That leads to how much distortion is there? is it intentional and for what goal?
My primary points are these:
1. The event is being purposely used/manipulated to forward and agenda. The agenda and it's pushers could care less abut the kids, just the leverage it provides.
2. Assuming it's intentional manipulation of the facts, what's the goal? TO:
a. Get your 30 round magazine and a AWB Ban and that's it?
b. Start down the path to getting them all?
c. Disarm the American public to make us docile for whatever end goal?
You need to decide which of the above you think, that logically, should then decide what level of resistance you are going to put up to this latest effort at gun control.
3. The more gun owners can conclusively show was not true as told by the event tellers/shapers, the better job we can do discussing the actual issues of these events, not just evil guns with the undecided.
I personally think there is more to the agenda and this is important to our future because it's about more that just getting my AR. You'll have to decide for yourself. Join the NRA, call/write the proper people, but have a definitive course of action planned if it comes down to worst case scenarios.
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Joewisc
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Hitler started the Reichstag fire and blamed the commies. His master of propaganda, Joseph Goebbels said, "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."
When someone "in authority" steps before a microphone to give a press conference, my BS detector goes into full mode. I do not think the full truth about Sandy Hook has emerged. I am not a conspiracy nut, but 40 years in journalism persuaded me to be skeptical about "official sources." The press has always manipulated public opinion to suit its own agendas and there is no doubt that the mainstream media is dominated by liberals who do the bidding of the Obama regime.
By the way, the latest out of the White House is that Obama will use "executive orders" on gun control, once again bypassing Congress, whose constitutional duty is to "advise and consent." I fear for what my beloved country faces in the days, months and years ago. Never has America been so divided since the Civil War. "A house divided cannot stand," said Abe Lincoln.
"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."
When someone "in authority" steps before a microphone to give a press conference, my BS detector goes into full mode. I do not think the full truth about Sandy Hook has emerged. I am not a conspiracy nut, but 40 years in journalism persuaded me to be skeptical about "official sources." The press has always manipulated public opinion to suit its own agendas and there is no doubt that the mainstream media is dominated by liberals who do the bidding of the Obama regime.
By the way, the latest out of the White House is that Obama will use "executive orders" on gun control, once again bypassing Congress, whose constitutional duty is to "advise and consent." I fear for what my beloved country faces in the days, months and years ago. Never has America been so divided since the Civil War. "A house divided cannot stand," said Abe Lincoln.
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StatesRightist
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Yours is a reasoned thought out approach....thinking about it with an open mind is what I endorsed, not the conclusion. Nice post.
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StatesRightist
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That and some more video/photos/documentation of the event would go along way, I agree.
Narrative only is suspect w/o proof/collaboration, right counselor?
amazingflapjack
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All authority needs to be questioned, in my view, and there is way too much power in the "Media" to think it is beyond manipulation. The Viet Nam War=justified by the hoax that boat fired on one of our ships. The Iraq war-started by a hoax that there were WMD's. There is, of course, much more, but to believe that our bunch all wear white hats is folly, in my view.
Pointshoot
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Joewisc - - - thank you for your last post. It was reasoned and based on personal and historical knowledge. It was appreciated.
feralmerril
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For most of us "normal" thinking people it`s hard to belive people will conspire and work towards results that they probley wont live to see in their lifetimes. Its hard to understand how millionairs and billionairs will donate fortunes of their money to causes when they are in their 80s. That kind of wipes out the idea that many of them do it for moneitary returns. We dont much point that out. Other than low brow non thinking types that live for the moment, most normal people develope core beliefs and philosphys that define "where they are comeing from" and what group of people and political party they will be drawn to. It also seems that when people have a few core beliefs we can accurately predict what they will champion in completely different areas.
For instance overall, usualy a gun enthusiest is also republican, a little to the right of center, a conservatist, against pro choice, anti gay marrage etc.
A gun hater will be to the left of center, most always be democrat, pro choice, pro gay marrage etc. Somehow where they stand with personal religious beliefs will also determine which way they are pulled to but I better leave that one alone.
Of course many people will have shades of gray in each area but overall I think we can agree it runs as I wrote.
The heavy thinkers on each side the spectrum will develope agendas to want to donate and get others to donate for their cause. Most will have a point established and will look for evidence to support their point even before its debated. Killings and other crimes wont stop no matter how many more laws are enacted. Along with that there probley would be much differance in the numbers if we ARMED every one, even if they didnt want a weapon! What would change is each persons personnal space. Some would be able to survive when otherwise they wouldnt.
There would be far less attempts on burgularys, hijackings, armed robberys and just plain hate assualts if the perps thought there was a strong chance the victim may be armed. The gun haters agenda is going to get many more people killed overall. If we are into conspireacy theorys it will get much worse and we will be dead or slaves.
Personnaly, I dont belive these people see themselves as trying to enslave the world but I DO belive they are given their leanings straight from the devil himself to do his work to bring world events to a head.
For instance overall, usualy a gun enthusiest is also republican, a little to the right of center, a conservatist, against pro choice, anti gay marrage etc.
A gun hater will be to the left of center, most always be democrat, pro choice, pro gay marrage etc. Somehow where they stand with personal religious beliefs will also determine which way they are pulled to but I better leave that one alone.
Of course many people will have shades of gray in each area but overall I think we can agree it runs as I wrote.
The heavy thinkers on each side the spectrum will develope agendas to want to donate and get others to donate for their cause. Most will have a point established and will look for evidence to support their point even before its debated. Killings and other crimes wont stop no matter how many more laws are enacted. Along with that there probley would be much differance in the numbers if we ARMED every one, even if they didnt want a weapon! What would change is each persons personnal space. Some would be able to survive when otherwise they wouldnt.
There would be far less attempts on burgularys, hijackings, armed robberys and just plain hate assualts if the perps thought there was a strong chance the victim may be armed. The gun haters agenda is going to get many more people killed overall. If we are into conspireacy theorys it will get much worse and we will be dead or slaves.
Personnaly, I dont belive these people see themselves as trying to enslave the world but I DO belive they are given their leanings straight from the devil himself to do his work to bring world events to a head.
As a young rookie cop in Detroit back in the 1970s, I took notice that news stories of events that I was personally at were poorly or wrongly reported.
I also noticed that things that should have been in the headlines were back page or never reported. This was a local situation, and local news outlets and there was (still is) an attempt to make the City of Detroit appear better and safer than it actually was.
Fast forward to almost 35 years later and think of the implications that can occur when that type of news reporting happens on a national scale.
Do I think that there is a conspiracy to shape public opinion, misinform people, cover up the facts and or omit on purpose? You darn right I do.
Major left wing media is by far our biggest enemy in America today.
I also noticed that things that should have been in the headlines were back page or never reported. This was a local situation, and local news outlets and there was (still is) an attempt to make the City of Detroit appear better and safer than it actually was.
Fast forward to almost 35 years later and think of the implications that can occur when that type of news reporting happens on a national scale.
Do I think that there is a conspiracy to shape public opinion, misinform people, cover up the facts and or omit on purpose? You darn right I do.
Major left wing media is by far our biggest enemy in America today.
Joewisc
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Thank you and others on this forum for the high level of discourse on the part of most posters. I am 70 years old and love my country but no longer recognize it. I hope that those of you in the new generation won't forget history. "If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." ~ Samuel Adams, 1776
I had a bunch of experience with news media when I was a cop, and they never, ever got the story right. I think a lot of improper reporting happened immediately after the incident, and nothing has been done to correct it in a documented manner. I think a whole bunch of people are rushing to a political conclusion and using this and other events to promote their agenda. I will now self edit, as this is about to turn political on my part, so.....keep yer powder dry.
I do not think there is a "conspiracy" But do we have the whole story and actual facts??
It happened and it's horrible.
It's just that there seems to lack a lot of solid factual information or evidence made available to the public. At least I have not read any either in the paper or on the Web let alone TV news.
Now why this is, I have no idea.?
Same with the Martin case, every day it was changing.
It happened and it's horrible.
It's just that there seems to lack a lot of solid factual information or evidence made available to the public. At least I have not read any either in the paper or on the Web let alone TV news.
Now why this is, I have no idea.?
Same with the Martin case, every day it was changing.
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