scammed.......
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okiegtrider
Member
Devildog:
Sorry you were taken. It unfortunately can happen to about any of us. There was another recent thread about scams. One poster recommended to the OP that they file an online complaint at Ic3.
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It was good counsel and I'd encourage you to tell them your story too. While it might not get your losses recovered, it might help someone else not be scammed.
I posted the following over in the other thread:
Our local FBI agent swears that someone somewhere is actually reading those submissions and looking hard for the common threads, connecting the dots and trying to catch these thieves. I want to believe him.
I certainly encourage people who ask me about scams on the net to report there. It certainly can't hurt, and the worst thing that can happen is nothing comes of it. It's certain that nothing will come of it if you never tell anyone.
Wasn't long ago I went down the street and walked my elderly neighbor through an ic3 referral. A heartbreaking experience really, this old couple had been scammed out of many thousands of $.
Sorry you were taken. It unfortunately can happen to about any of us. There was another recent thread about scams. One poster recommended to the OP that they file an online complaint at Ic3.
Ic3 is the internet crime complaint center Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) | Home
It was good counsel and I'd encourage you to tell them your story too. While it might not get your losses recovered, it might help someone else not be scammed.
I posted the following over in the other thread:
Our local FBI agent swears that someone somewhere is actually reading those submissions and looking hard for the common threads, connecting the dots and trying to catch these thieves. I want to believe him.
I certainly encourage people who ask me about scams on the net to report there. It certainly can't hurt, and the worst thing that can happen is nothing comes of it. It's certain that nothing will come of it if you never tell anyone.
Wasn't long ago I went down the street and walked my elderly neighbor through an ic3 referral. A heartbreaking experience really, this old couple had been scammed out of many thousands of $.
I hate to say it , but about a month ago . I inquired about a 57-1 that was listed . It was a scam it was easy to spot . But not at first there are a few easy things to do to pick out scams . First copy and paste the description the seller posts into google it almost always comes up word for word . Or use google search image . I posted about her on facebook . Unfournatley your probably never gonna see your money ...
I've had great success buying and selling on Armslist also. But as 67whaler states - Face To Face Only.
Sorry the bad people got to you!
03clyde
Member
Bingo. Freaking scamsters suck.
Triathloncoach
Member
I was scammed a month ago. But not on arms list. Yes I was stupid, but between all the boards I have nearly 200 transactions. Never a problem. So I was too trusting.
I think 99% of us on the gun boards are as honorable as a person can be. But remember some crooks realize this and are happy to take advantage of our honor. I'm happy I haven't been ripped off worse.
I think 99% of us on the gun boards are as honorable as a person can be. But remember some crooks realize this and are happy to take advantage of our honor. I'm happy I haven't been ripped off worse.
Sadly, it can happen on any internet selling site. Being a musician I hear all the time about CL and ebay scammers. Buyer beware and good luck for all your future transactions.
SAFireman
Member
If you mailed a USPS MO to a street address, find out the local LE and make a complaint. They can go find this person and make it right. The postal inspector route is good, but may not get your $$$ back.
If you feel comfortable, please post all of the contact info for the scammer here so we can share it with other buyers.
I usually ask for a phone number and call to speak to a real human. It is usually pretty clear whether they are legit or not.
If you feel comfortable, please post all of the contact info for the scammer here so we can share it with other buyers.
I usually ask for a phone number and call to speak to a real human. It is usually pretty clear whether they are legit or not.
Unfortunately, Armslist seems to accumulate more scammers than other gun auction / sales websites. Sorry for your loss. It's a tough world out there. A few times I sweated the return of my certified payment on a very respectable (pre-internet) publication.
Some people use other forums, like this one and others similar, with a brand new user name asking about a nice or scarce piece then the offers just start rolling in on an item he / she does not have but rather only "lifted" pictures form someplace else.
I think this crime is Federal, scams that span to different States, and it's mail fraud as well as other illegalities.
One excuse was, even though I was first to call to accept his ask price, someone called afterward to offer him more money. He thought that was perfectly OK but I did get my cashier's check back about 10 days later in a US First Class envelope when I sent it to him Overnight. I truly sweated that one it was for $7K.
Another time, an old timer in Idaho, sold me what was to be (no pictures back then, just a text classified ad type description), an original 98% New Model 3 Australian, for $2,500.00 which was the correct price and a tick more for one if it was as described. After if was delivered, it was clearly refinished even over pits, with the hammer, trigger and trigger guard nickel-ed, too.
I called him to return it but before I could explain he told me a contractor was putting a new porch on his house with the money. Afterward he said I could return it and he'd get the money together, somehow. I decided to keep it instead of risk loosing the money and the gun, selling it 10 years later, presenting it for exactly what it was (a refinished NM3 Australian) for the same money I paid.
I suppose all of us, at one time or another, got blatantly scammed, not including the times we may have bought into a tall tale and plopped down way too much money based upon that "tall tale".
Some people use other forums, like this one and others similar, with a brand new user name asking about a nice or scarce piece then the offers just start rolling in on an item he / she does not have but rather only "lifted" pictures form someplace else.
I think this crime is Federal, scams that span to different States, and it's mail fraud as well as other illegalities.
One excuse was, even though I was first to call to accept his ask price, someone called afterward to offer him more money. He thought that was perfectly OK but I did get my cashier's check back about 10 days later in a US First Class envelope when I sent it to him Overnight. I truly sweated that one it was for $7K.
Another time, an old timer in Idaho, sold me what was to be (no pictures back then, just a text classified ad type description), an original 98% New Model 3 Australian, for $2,500.00 which was the correct price and a tick more for one if it was as described. After if was delivered, it was clearly refinished even over pits, with the hammer, trigger and trigger guard nickel-ed, too.
I called him to return it but before I could explain he told me a contractor was putting a new porch on his house with the money. Afterward he said I could return it and he'd get the money together, somehow. I decided to keep it instead of risk loosing the money and the gun, selling it 10 years later, presenting it for exactly what it was (a refinished NM3 Australian) for the same money I paid.
I suppose all of us, at one time or another, got blatantly scammed, not including the times we may have bought into a tall tale and plopped down way too much money based upon that "tall tale".
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gwpercle
Member
Face to face and I must examine the arm before I buy it .
If there are any questions, we go to the local indoor range for a "test drive".
Before you buy a car , you get to eyeball it , kick the tires, sit in it and take it for a drive , right !
Gary
If there are any questions, we go to the local indoor range for a "test drive".
Before you buy a car , you get to eyeball it , kick the tires, sit in it and take it for a drive , right !
Gary
Sorry to hear of your misfortune. I avoid Armslist like the
plague!
plague!
Jim1392
US Veteran
Don't think just because it's a a gun auction company it's on the up and up either. I reported a seller to Gunbroker who was one of their top sellers that was using shill bidders. I gave them a list of the shill names and all the auctions they bid on. The list was quite long, over 50 auctions. I could have given them more but I just used active auctions not sold. They did NOTHING. They just want the fees. I won't buy anything from them. Today it's buyer beware.
Lee's Landing Billy
Member
Thanks to you, Armslist will tempt me no more! Thanks, REALLY!
OP
DevilDog72
US Veteran
Thanks to all that have responded to my post/thread. Armslist sent me an e-mail today and assured me they would co-operate with Law Enforcement to the fullest extent.
This has been a frustrating and expensive schooling. My bad. I will recover and I will press charges.
Thanks again for y'alls comments each and every one.
This has been a frustrating and expensive schooling. My bad. I will recover and I will press charges.
Thanks again for y'alls comments each and every one.
The couple transactions made on Armslist were local. We met face to face, dealt in cash and in both cases, the seller asked to see my CCDW. I guess they wanted to be sure they weren't selling to a felon.
I appreciate that some folks have good experiences with Armslist, but I just can't bring myself to trust it. I've had 100% good luck with GB and GunsAmerica. I'll stick with them and the many online stores I've dealt with over the years.
That sucks. Plain and simple.
I have had two good deals with Armslist. What I normally do is check to see if the user who post the deal is new to the site, if they are new, I automatically ignore the listing. Also, I always copy the text of the ad into google to see if anything comes up. Pictures also tell the story, especially if they are pulled from high volume sellers on broker.
hkcavalier
US Veteran
Yeah, I echo the FTF only advice.
I used to sell on Armslist every once in a while. I'd bring a counterfeit pen too. If the buyer questioned it, I'd just say I'd been burned once by someone who looked trustworthy (true, 2 of the 8 $100s were phony). This is still something I do, while the NICS check by an FFL has to be done here in WA, you still take the cash directly from the buyer.
I used to sell on Armslist every once in a while. I'd bring a counterfeit pen too. If the buyer questioned it, I'd just say I'd been burned once by someone who looked trustworthy (true, 2 of the 8 $100s were phony). This is still something I do, while the NICS check by an FFL has to be done here in WA, you still take the cash directly from the buyer.
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