Scary milestone.

[transit]

I don't know, maybe its just me, but when 58,000 + Americans die of anything in a two month span, its notable.

Larry

Flu season in the U.S. is roughly December, January, February, with reports sometimes extending to May.

First COVID19 death in the U.S. (right now) is logged as February.

So that gives us February, March, April with deaths now in sharp decline.

Those stats, and they shouldn't be controversial, look very similar to a bad Flu year.

What might they have been without the "lock down"? Who knows? The people dying of C19 seem largely to be the people who would have died of Flu in an ordinary year. Even with all the presumptive C19 deaths counted, one of the more recent things I read said that NY was 3000 deaths ahead of last year.

Wouldn't want to be one, but 3 million it isn't.

The Flu Season | CDC

 

[Ματθιας]

I don't know, maybe its just me, but when 58,000 + Americans die of anything in a two month span, its notable.

Larry

Did you notice that at least that many die from cancer and heart disease separately every month?

How about medical malpractice? That the third leading cause of death @ 250,000 to 400,000, per year.

 

[arjay]

Did you notice that at least that many die from cancer and heart disease separately every month?

How about medical malpractice? That the third leading cause of death @ 250,000 to 400,000, per year.

Sooo? We just forget social distancing and let the chips fall where they may? I don't get these posts,what's your point? It's scary and you want everyone to shut up?

 

[ParadiseRoad]

...675,000 in 1918...

...if you factor in the population difference...103 million then...330 million now...

...that would make it 2.16 million to be equivalent now...

...first "model" they came up with was 2.2 million wasn't it?...

...took about 30 seconds to realize the source of their "model"...

..we're about 2.685% of the way to 1918 equivalency...

...PANADEMIC ! ...

...you decide...

 

[Ματθιας]

Sooo? We just forget social distancing and let the chips fall where they may?

You said that, I didn't. You can do whatever you want.

I don't get these posts,what's your point?

We're comparing causes of death, no? That's my point.

It's scary and you want everyone to shut up?

I don't want anyone to shut up.

Do you want me to shut up? I'm just posting facts. You don't like facts? If you don't like what I have to say put me on ignore.

 

[arjay]

...675,000 in 1918...

...if you factor in the population difference...103 million then...330 million now...

...that would 2.16 million to be equivalent now...

...first "model" they came up with was 2.2 million wasn't it?...

...took about 30 seconds to realize the source of their "model"...
..we're about 2.685% of the way to 1918 equivalency...

...PANADEMIC ! ...

...you decide...

We could easily reach those numbers if enough people buy into being played by our enemies. Americans are so gullible...

 

[pantannojack]

I'm sure glad I don't look at MSM news.

 

[S42N8]

The "next wave" is a media creation. All viruses come and go. When the "next wave" hits I will do the same as always. I will stay home if sick, wash my hands as appropriate, tell the sick and vulnerable to stay home, encourage the young and healthy to work hard and live their lives. Fear sells an agenda, fear controls people, fear kills. There is a reason the phrase "we have nothing to fear but fear itself" was considered wise. But that idea has been replaced by "better safe than sorry." I would be embarrassed if our founders could see us today.

Good plan for the individual level. The next wave has precedent:

1918 pandemic - three waves
1957 pandemic - one known wave
1968 pandemic - one wave (seasonal influenza A)
2009 pandemic - two waves

Past Pandemics | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

 

[ParadiseRoad]

...the next "wave" will be the next virus...

...dressed in a little covid 19 disguise...

...by your local friendly politician...

 

[ladder13]

I'm curious. Do any forum members actually have the virus? We are a generally older bunch of folks with plenty of pre-existing conditions among us. Any spouses have it? Confirmed cases only please, not just those thinking they might have had something at one point, but got over it (whatever it was) and were never tested.

Not trying to prove anything. Just curious.

Hard to get Covid when you're in a closet grasping at straws.

 

[Rudi]

The media have one goal, it is political.

 

[tlawler]

Good plan for the individual level. The next wave has precedent:

1918 pandemic - three waves
1957 pandemic - one known wave
1968 pandemic - one wave (seasonal influenza A)
2009 pandemic - two waves

Past Pandemics | Pandemic Influenza (Flu) | CDC

Your post brought back a memory for me. In 1968 I was 6 years old and well remember the "Hong Kong" flu. At that age, I was aware enough to know the panic and helplessness that most of the adults felt and saw how they acted. We were living in Beaufort, SC and my Dad was stationed at Laurel Bay MCAS. Maybe being a military brat and subject to all the military rules that went into effect spotlighted it for me, but the hysteria then, as today (IMO), was overblown and really caused a lot of stress to the kids. I swear it turned me into a hypochondriac for at least a few months.
My point is, I wonder what sort of effect this is having on kids? It must be a lot worse now than it was then, with the competing left vs. right mainstream media and a 24 hour news cycle. Back then it was just Walter C. and the nightly news mostly just putting out facts. Add to that all the wacky conspiracy theories...Chicken Little is having a field day!

 

[BAM-BAM]

I'm curious. Do any forum members actually have the virus? We are a generally older bunch of folks with plenty of pre-existing conditions among us. Any spouses have it? Confirmed cases only please, not just those thinking they might have had something at one point, but got over it (whatever it was) and were never tested.

Not trying to prove anything. Just curious.

Well it is an interesting question....................so far around here in my Burb of the Burgh..... they say we have a few cases..... don't know anyone..... deaths are all (90%) in one nursing home.................. in the next county

don't know ..... but TISH is right we represent a national data base of older dudes.................... just asking?????

 

[Deuce Caboose]

I'm curious. Do any forum members actually have the virus? We are a generally older bunch of folks with plenty of pre-existing conditions among us. Any spouses have it? Confirmed cases only please, not just those thinking they might have had something at one point, but got over it (whatever it was) and were never tested.

Not trying to prove anything. Just curious.

How about a question for the other side of the coin...

How many of us know anyone with co-morbidities?
Asthma, diabetes, high blood pressure?
Obesity?
Seniors over age 65?

I sure do, and I don't have to look very far.

Some may poo-poo the health experts for being alarmist , or fault them for not being alarmed quickly enough, but...

The one thing that they have been consistent about is just how lethal this virus is to those who fall into the high risk category.

From the beginning, they have said, that folks in this category stand the worst chance of recovery, should they become infected.

I believe them.

Sadly, as yet, they have no plan short of "stay in the house".

So, as the restrictions ease, and folks try to find some semblance of normalcy, don't forget this:

For some, they will never return to their life, as they lived it, before Covid 19 came to town.

I'll just bet, many are here.

Scary milestone indeed.

It took 9 years of the Vietnam War to kill its victims.

Covid 19 has taken 61,112 American lives in 8 weeks.

 

[transit]

I liked your post because I agree with most of the sentiment.

However, those American deaths in Vietnam went on over about twenty years, from 1956 through 1975.

And I agree with the earlier expressed sentiment that people who lose their lives in service are not the same as people who die of natural causes.

Everybody dies.

 

[biku324]

I was in Sarajevo until March 16, when we were evacuated through Istanbul. The Italians blew this off for a bit; quickly their (excellent) healthcare system was overwhelmed and the Italian military was suddenly burying victims in state-issued coffins in trenches. The Spanish blew it off with similar results.

Pretend it's politics or no big deal at your peril. Only our reactions here are political. The rest of the world understands this is a disease, both deadly and grossly abnormal.

Added: See for yourself. Burying the victims of COVID-19 pandemic | News-photos – Gulf News COVID-19 Italy: Military fleet carries coffins of coronavirus victims out of overwhelmed town | National Post

 

[llowry61]

Well, to answer the original question, no I do not know anyone who has had CV19. I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who has had the virus. Believe me I have been asking friends and co-workers. It doesn't prove anything really, but it does seem odd. I am hopeful about the the new treatment recently reported and pray it is successful.

 

[transit]

...Only our reactions here are political. The rest of the world understands this is a disease, both deadly and grossly abnormal.

"Only our reactions are political. The "rest of the world" understands..." ?



-Except for China who started it and lied about it.

-And except for the W.H.O. who parroted China's lies to "the rest of the world."

-And except for Italy, who blew it off.

-And except for Spain, who also blew it off.

-And except for Sweden, (who's currently largely blowing it off, while being commended by the W.H.O.)


I grow weary of the casual anti-American sentiment.


You said that the rest of the world gets something that "we" don't (-though you don't sound like you count yourself among the "we.")


The facts, and your own follow-on, disprove that.


And I, supported by those facts, disagree with the premise.


Edited to add, reminded by the previous poster about the actual original question: Yes. I know dozens of people that have COVID-19, and I know several who have died.

 

[biku324]

I provided what information on a deadly threat that I know to be true; I've met my obligation as a human being. What others choose to do with the information is not my concern.

 

[transit]

I provided what information on a deadly threat that I know to be true; I've met my obligation as a human being. What others choose to do with the information is not my concern.

What you "know to be true" is that the "rest of the world" gets it, but "we" don't?

Because that doesn't seem supported by the information you provided about Italy and Spain, plus what is known to be true about China, the W.H.O. and Sweden.

Understanding that is my concern.