Scary milestone.

[Ziggy2525]

And 100k is the magic number to make this shutdown worthwhile? If not, what is that number? The answer can't be- "if it saves one life," because that would be the impetus for outlawing 5-gallon buckets because people can drown in them.

You have a great point. Before the narrative changed a couple weeks ago, the concern was about hospital ICU capacity and ventilator availability. IMO, that's still the issue, not the body count (as tragic as that is).

Covid19 seems to spread way faster/easier than influenza. Without a vaccine, we're all going to get it sooner or later. And they haven't been able to figure out why it kills one person and has no effect on another, when both people are living in the same space. So without a treatment, it's a roll of the dice about who's going to die from it.

Now that "they" have figured out with the shutdown that covid hasn't had as big of an impact on the healthcare system as they thought, it looks (to me) like they're trying to use a step by step approach to opening the economy back up using hospital utilization as their throttle. It's a race to see whether we get vaccine or a treatment or herd immunity first.

 

[transit]

Well, my perception is that you have an agenda to downplay a once-in-a-century health issue. I have no interest in an argument.

Being at home is boring, but reasonably safe.

Now it's about me? Okay, what's my agenda?

And still wondering, what does the rest of the world "get" that "we" don't?

Especially given the outline of "rest of the world" places and organizations who did far worse than "we."

 

[steelslaver]

And 100k is the magic number to make this shutdown worthwhile? If not, what is that number? The answer can't be- "if it saves one life," because that would be the impetus for outlawing 5-gallon buckets because people can drown in them.

No, there is no magic number and In ever suggested 100k or any other number was. But, why fritter away lives thoughtlessly. Your 5 gallon bucket analogy is far more off base on this than the comparison the the casualties of Vietnam. Although history has shown we do need 5 gallon buckets far more than we needed to go to Vietnam.

My point was that many said the virus was nothing when a few were dead and the number of dead doesn't matter to them. They will deny deny deny.

 

[keith44spl]

I saw something scary in the paper today. In Texas, 42% of the deaths attributed to the virus were elderly residents of nursing homes and similar collective senior living institutions. I would imagine that nationwide and worldwide, the proportion is close to that. Seems to me that the national death rate could have been greatly lowered if there were methods and practices developed to better protect senior citizens from infection.

Starting to look more like geriatric genocide everyday ain't it.......

.

 

[Old_Cop]

I don't know anyone with Covid, nor does anyone that I have spoken to. It seems that it is most deadly in cities which have large numbers of people and public transportation. I wonder if this is collateral damage from the anti suburban futurists? The blame game is afoot in our capitol and on this forum.

 

[ladder13]

The alleged fish tank cleaner drinker. Hmmmmmm. Will we get a retraction from the MSM should this hold true?

Coronavirus & Chloroquine -- Woman Who Gave Her Husband Fish-Tank Cleaner is Under Investigation for Murder | National Review

 

[TTSH]

The alleged fish tank cleaner drinker. Hmmmmmm. Will we get a retraction from the MSM should this hold true?

Coronavirus & Chloroquine -- Woman Who Gave Her Husband Fish-Tank Cleaner is Under Investigation for Murder | National Review

This explains a lot. When you sit back and think "nobody could possibly have been that stupid" (despite the MSM pushing it as true), it's really a wonder that she got away with it as long as she did.

This will make a good Dateline NBC murder mystery.

 

[ladder13]

This explains a lot. When you sit back and think "nobody could possibly have been that stupid" (despite the MSM pushing it as true), it's really a wonder that she got away with it as long as she did.

This will make a good Dateline NBC murder mystery.

People can't think for themselves anymore. I knew someone was wrong when he said we had 57 states, and didn't add stars to my flags.

 

[Walter Rego]

None, zero, zilch, other than to incite the folks.

Bingo ! The Vietnam war was the result of policies and actions of a US President and the US Congress. The Covid-19 most certainly is not.

The CNN bimbo that tried to bait President Trump with her leading and inflammatory question
regarding being deserving of reelection with similar death tolls in the US from Covid-19 to VN war deaths should be banned from future news conferences and mocked for the rest of her career.

 

[SteveA]

I don't know anyone with Covid, nor does anyone that I have spoken to. It seems that it is most deadly in cities which have large numbers of people and public transportation. I wonder if this is collateral damage from the anti suburban futurists? The blame game is afoot in our capitol and on this forum.

Not quite. I live in a pretty rural area but my county is much more populated than the surrounding counties. We have over 200 cases and one death here with a county population of about 27,000. Our neighboring county to the east has a population of about 8-9,000 and has 60 cases and 9 or 10 deaths. Its in rural America.

 

[Jon651]

With all due respect,arjay,how can you be amazed at the panic initially caused by exaggerated models based on no facts but purely supposition or the MSM not waiting for facts but instead deciding to flame the fears of an uninformed public?

The public wants and needs information but when that information is discounted by experts supposedly as knowledgeable as their counterparts what are you going to believe? Can't blame people for denying what they've been told or at least taking it with a grain of salt.

Let's get through this for now and quit believing that there is a second wave coming with no evidence to base it on.

I just read responses like this and shake my head. Of course the initial models were much higher - they were dealing with the least accurate information and before any control measures were established. Sorry but that doesn't make them exaggerated, just normal for statistical modeling. Every model comes with the caveat that it is based on the information they have at the time it was put together. As more (and more accurate) info comes in and as the trajectory of the rate of infections changes due to actions like social distancing, naturally the models will change for the better. The most accurate model is generally the very last one - we just haven't gotten to that point yet. That's just how it is.

As for "a second wave with no evidence to base it on" then how about we look at the past history of pandemics? Here's an interesting list of ten of the worst:

Outbreak: 10 of the Worst Pandemics in History

Please note that the last five have all been multi-year.

But if those are too distant in the past for you then maybe we could just look at the past history of the seasonal flu? You know, the one that lots of folks are saying COVID-19 is just like... It may not technically be listed as a "pandemic" but it certainly does manage to kill quite a few people every year, then mutates and returns. EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR. At least for me that is certainly more than enough evidence not to ignore the possibility of a resurgence or a second wave.

 

[biku324]

Science and history seem unpopular today. It's bizarre.

 

[Jon651]

I don't know anyone with Covid, nor does anyone that I have spoken to. It seems that it is most deadly in cities which have large numbers of people and public transportation. I wonder if this is collateral damage from the anti suburban futurists? The blame game is afoot in our capitol and on this forum.

Well, I was very sick with a severe respiratory infection from the last weekend in February thru the entire first week of March. It hit me hard. Was it COVID-19? I have no way of knowing because testing wasn't available. Looks like I will have to wait for the serology test and see if I have any antibodies to know if I had it. Unfortunately, that testing isn't available currently either. So maybe in another five or six months I'll be able to help you out...

 

[steelslaver]

You guys are right. Hey, it has only killed over 50.000 and the flu sometimes as many. We can always spare another 50,000 people or more especially if they are old or have health issues. So what if 20% are younger and healthier. 50,000 from the flu, 60,000 from the virus, some from car wrecks, Hey why are we wearing seat beats anyway, we have lives to spare, it don't matter. Why waste money on things like anti tobacco ads, mandatory seat beats and air bags. Drives up the cost of automobiles and is hard on the auto industry. Low blood pressure and cholesterol meds, what a waste of time and MONEY.

The IMPORTANT THING is this stuff is costing some people MONEY. Lives grow on trees. You can't just print MONEY. Wait they can.

Why bother with restrictions, testing or what ever . Lets just let the vunrable and some others die. Is that my America? I guess it is the one some of you want.

 

[WCCPHD]

Bingo ! The Vietnam war was the result of policies and actions of a US President and the US Congress. The Covid-19 most certainly is not.

The CNN bimbo that tried to bait President Trump with her leading and inflammatory question
regarding being deserving of reelection with similar death tolls in the US from Covid-19 to VN war deaths should be banned from future news conferences and mocked for the rest of her career.

However, she will be held up as a hero by her peers in the 24/7 entertainment medium that hides behind the first amendment as "the press."

 

[Bill Raby]

Funny thing is that even with the super scary pandemic the total number of deaths from all causes has not really gone up at all.

 

[Ziggy2525]

Funny thing is that even with the super scary pandemic the total number of deaths from all causes has not really gone up at all.

Pretty sure that's not true. What's the source?

Here's a link to a cdc dashboard of excess deaths from covid. If you scroll half-way down he page there's a graph of weekly deaths from all causes. There's a really big spike in total deaths from all causes in April 2020. More than any time in the last 3 years.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

 

[Dougaz]

According to one of the medical specialists I'm working with, we shouldn't buy the published death figures like they were written in stone.

This doctor said that if you are (by example only) in the hospital because your 80 years old and you had a heart attack and you happen to croak, and they can prove or guess that you were exposed to the virus, the cause of death will be listed as COVID-19 ...... Not heart failure.

Psalms 111:10

 

[Ziggy2525]

According to one of the medical specialists I'm working with, we shouldn't buy the published death figures like they were written in stone.

This doctor said that if you are (by example only) in the hospital because your 80 years old and you had a heart attack and you happen to croak, and they can prove or guess that you were exposed to the virus, the cause of death will be listed as COVID-19 ...... Not heart failure.

Psalms 111:10

Probably true, but there's been an abnormally large spike in deaths from all causes in April. You don't think a significant portion of those are somehow covid related?

 

[steelslaver]

No, its a non issue. All fake news and falsehoods by the press. Every death now is attributed to the virus. Why in Chicago even gunshot deaths are listed as being cause by the virus. Even the spike your talking about is simply made up. Everything is normal. This is just a conspiracy to control us, destroy our economy and leave us starving. I heard all about it on the internet.