School bans all black outfits ...

[LVSteve]

Schools are starting to prohibit smart phones in class (I wonder why....rolling eyes) and tyhe people screaming the loudest againt these policies? THE PARENTS!

The school system has to completely change from the ground up. I don't see that happening.

In one respect it has changed as you describe. Parents and children no longer acknowledge the concept of locum parentis while the kids are on the property. I'm afraid you can thank the abusive teachers and those who were perverts for that.

 

[Rustyt1953]

I am on the Fashion Police's top 10 most wanted list.

My hoodie and PJ bottom collection would earn me a life sentence.

 

[Racer X]

The boys are home schooled.

I am pretty lax on dress code.

but you at least require pants, right? No Donald Ducking it?

 

[WR Moore]

In one respect it has changed as you describe. Parents and children no longer acknowledge the concept of locum parentis while the kids are on the property. I'm afraid you can thank the abusive teachers and those who were perverts for that.

I personally think it's a wholesale flight from responsibility. Administrative staff ran from the responsibility of locum parentis. There are exceptions, some do seem to have more than their fair share of arrogance. About the same time, parents also ran from the responsibility of being parents.

As a kid, where the parents went I went. I recall the crowds at parent/teacher nights. When I was visiting schools as a parent for parent/teacher as a nights, you could have fired a cannon down the hallways and never hit anyone. Had a long talk with one teacher about how parents don't seem to care about their kids

 

[SMSgt]

Well, this isn't Steve Jobs now. An dusing Cash as an example is plain ridiculous. I have taught and been an administrator for nearly 40 years. Kids definitely associate clothing with their feelings or personalities to create an identity. Anyone who thinks overwise is not around kids.

There are experts who can walk the halls of a school and spot gang, social symbols and personal choices in dress alone. Sorry, but to compare your examples with what is going in a school is flat out nuts. Oh and you forgot the Lone Ranger. I think he was all black or maybe Paladin.

Actually, Paladin outfit was navy blue. It showed up better with B&W film.

 

[Patrick L]

It's because of things like this I'm glad I'm a RETIRED teacher. At one point, I taught a subject that I had some mastery over, and more importantly, some talent in presenting it in a way that children found engaging. By the end, I was expected to spend all my time and resources dealing with garbage like this.

 

[llowry61]

Gary Player would be upset as well.

I agree that clothing kids wear can tell you quite a bit about them and their affiliations etc.

When I was in school it was tube tops being banned. I miss tube tops.

 

[Super Trucker]

What they need to ban is students bringing cell phones to school.

That sounds like the left on the gun topic.

Ban all, because of a few.

In reality some kids have needs for phones. My grandson has a constant glucose monitor, that his phone can send the results to other phones (mine and my daughters).

Suspend kids using phones in class for unnecessary things, I could agree with.

 

[Puller]

That sounds like the left on the gun topic.

Ban all, because of a few.

In reality some kids have needs for phones. My grandson has a constant glucose monitor, that his phone can send the results to other phones (mine and my daughters).

Suspend kids using phones in class for unnecessary things, I could agree with.

I would be inclined to agree with that a few phone wielding kids have ruined it for the majority. That's why we can't have nice things.

 

[A10]

Blame the clothes, not the person......

 

[hemiram]

I knew 100% back in the late '60's that a lot of admins and teachers weren't all there, and it seems the crazy has ramped up with this nonsense.

We had one who had some truly fascist ideas, and openly said Hitler wasn't all bad. Another one wrote a letter to the editor of the paper in '73 gleefully rejoicing that the Israeli's were doing badly in the opening days of the Yom Kippur war. we had another one who was on his way to the school to shotgun the principal, who he (totally incorrectly) decided was having an affair with his wife. The truth was she was calling him because the teacher was rapidly deteriorating mentally, and she was trying to get him help.

One of the "big deals" that no parents seemed to care about at first was when Cullottes(spelling?) became popular. A couple of the middle aged teachers went crazy and started harassing the girls for "not sitting like a lady (like manspreading). The backlash from the parents was pretty brutal after several calls from the insane vice-principal got the parents wound up.

That same VP got on my mom's bad side when I committed the serious crime of tossing my lunch(that I had made and brought) to eat at a nearby restaurant instead. At our school, there was no cafeteria, just a sad former shower room. At most, maybe 20 kids ate in it, everyone else went home for lunch or ate at the nearby "Redwood". We got a 90 minute lunch period! A lot of the time, I would ride my bike home as fast as I could, it took less than 8 minutes if the traffic cooperated, do the homework for the next day while I ate, then 10 min before school started, ride back. I would just make it in time. Anyway, I was called to the office to be grilled about tossing my lunch (I just didn't want it a PB sandwich and an apple), and nobody wanted the sandwich, so I tossed it. I knew at that point, that she was not right in the head. She threatened to call my mother multiple times, and I kept saying, "Go ahead!". She finally did, and mom nailed it, "I think you need to find another job, this isn't the right job for you!". To say it shook up the VP wasn't coming close to describing her response. Mom then stuck the knife in and bluntly told her the truth about her, "You just wanted to get him into trouble, that's all you ever seem to do, we all just wonder how you got the job of vice-principal in the first place! You really do need to find some other kind of work!". She was devastated. Of course, she had a 40 year career as a VP/Principal. She was also involved in the now famous "lawn mower" incident, a nothing sort of thing amplified to almost a religion now, a legend about me!! passed on for over 50 years. I have told about a dozen kids over the years what really happened with the lawn mower, but they don't believe me at all, and get really angry about it. I can see how religions get started!

 

[Skeet 028]

Personally I could care less about the clothes as long as they are neat and mostly? covered. Cell phones are a bane to learning. So were the old calculators. Learn how to do math on paper. doing it on a phone teaches nothing...spelling and at least the basics of cursive...and let's see real history and reading not spoon fed by a computer/phone...but what really needs to be taught is common courtesy. Surprisingly the younger generation where I live are mostly courteous and will carry on a conversation with adults. Where I used to live in the east not so much 20 years ago and much worse now...BTW someone mentioned The PTA nights..Locally it is hard to find a parking spot near school those nights...possible correlation to the young'uns courtesy?? Thankfully my last Granddaughter in school is in a homeschool situation. When she was here near Red Lodge school consisted of like 25 kids arrayed over 8 grades

 

[A10]

I don't know if anyone here has messed around with AI programs yet. Papers written exclusively by AI are easy to identify, but one that is modified by the requestor can be more challenging. I really think AI is going to be a Real problem in schools. I know for certain I would have used it!

 

[venomballistics]

the more of this I see from the schools, the more I say close them.

 

[.455_Hunter]

What they need to ban is students bringing cell phones to school.

That would be a big no. Unlike many of you, I actually have kids in the MS/HS age range, and I absolutely what them to have a phone with them at all times, because stupid happens a lot nowadays.

 

[Ματθιας]

I went to Catholic School. Because of that defiance is my default setting.

We had a dress code high school that I'd push.
They said blue jeans, good black jeans bad. I wore faed black jeans that were "dark gray".
I was a metal head and wore heavy metal shirts, They said the shirt had to have a collar. I said my T-shirts have a collar. They said no. So I found and wore an all black BDU blouse unbuttoned with my T-shirt underneath. Every chance I got I took the blouse off. When someone cried about it I just put my blouse back on.
Then they said T-shirts were OK as long as they have a pattern that goes all the way around.thinking that most t-shirts don't have patterns like that. OK I says. I just happen to have a SLAYER T-shirt that patterns all the way around.

Oh and the girls couldn't wear skirts that were higher above the knee cap or culottes, and some other stuff.

In my junior year I went to summer school at a public school and I was amazed at what they were wearing. I kept asking "You all can wear that!? Cool!" The girls with the short shorts I remember, I think her name was Doreen, she wore a bikini top almost everyday - she had the rack for it!

I have a feeling that if I was in high school now and did what I was doing when I was high school 30 years ago, I'd be on some sort of watch list, probably being referred to therapy and on some sort prescription drug.

I'm glad I was a teen in the 80s.

 

[YeshuaIsa53]

Zorro! Did someone forget Zorro?

I have a serious problem with children or adults wearing all black. Wearing something reflective in a few places would fix my problem. Over the years,
I have come mighty close to people walking in the dark along the side of a dark highway or street. It is scary to think how they seem to come out of nowhere.
In a store, the hoodies come down.
Trouble can be avoided, and it can be asked for.
As for the kids at school, I do not know enough about the situation to make a valid comment. Maybe the teachers should all wear black?

 

[LVSteve]

Zorro! Did someone forget Zorro?

I have a serious problem with children or adults wearing all black. Wearing something reflective in a few places would fix my problem. Over the years,
I have come mighty close to people walking in the dark along the side of a dark highway or street. It is scary to think how they seem to come out of nowhere.

It's a problem made worse by the American tradition of walking with the car traffic. In England we always walked against the traffic for a couple of reasons.

1) Your face shows up better to the driver.

2) You can see if the car driver is drunk and heading your way.

It drove my US born first wife nuts that I always wanted to walk against the traffic, even where there was a sidewalk. Nobody gets to sneak up on me from behind in a car, that's a 'not happening' event.

As for the pedestrians suddenly appearing, I nearly wiped out a couple in an English country lane walking with the traffic. Both were wearing long black coats and had dark hair. The first I saw of them was a flash of the light colored soles of the girl's high heels.

 

[mrchick]

It's a problem made worse by the American tradition of walking with the car traffic. In England we always walked against the traffic for a couple of reasons.

1) Your face shows up better to the driver.

2) You can see if the car driver is drunk and heading your way.

It drove my US born first wife nuts that I always wanted to walk against the traffic, even where there was a sidewalk. Nobody gets to sneak up on me from behind in a car, that's a 'not happening' event.

As for the pedestrians suddenly appearing, I nearly wiped out a couple in an English country lane walking with the traffic. Both were wearing long black coats and had dark hair. The first I saw of them was a flash of the light colored soles of the girl's high heels.

I'm American and I was taught to walk against traffic. That was in the sixties. Maybe it is no longer taught that way. It's what I taught my kids. Walking with traffic can be downright suicidal.