SCOTUS Pick Sotomayor and the 2nd Amendment

To attack her as unqualified based upon a lack of experience is a fools mission that I'm sure Rush has already signed up for. You may not like her but the lady is eminently qualified for the job. Watch as all the bluster and talk of a filibuster disappears like a fart in the wind. Not many sitting Senators are going to be willing stick their political necks out opposing her confirmation. She will be easily confirmed.

I do hope both sides will take her to task for some of the alleged statements referenced above. Lets hear what she has to say about 2A, the first and 14th amendments. At this point in time I doubt either side of the argument really knows where she stands on many issues. As Ricky Ricardo would say: "You got a lot of splainin to do!"
 
+1 Capt Steve

I think it's obvious she'll make it through. I WOULD like the see them.. not give her a hard time just to give her a hard time, but like you said, make her explain.
 
She's been a federal judge since 1992 and an appeals court judge since '97. She is qualified, no doubt about it.
The New Haven case is a tough one. The basic law stinks, but that's what she had to work with. I might disagree with the outcome but I can see why a court would decide as it did.
She will get confirmed. This isn't the place to wage a war. Pick your battles carefully, goes the old advice.
 
That is the genius of her appt. for the annointed one it is a win-win. No matter what happens. If she gets appointed, he wins the hispanic and female vote, plus she will likely be a far lefter. If she loses (unlikely) he wins because all us nasty Conservatives plotted against her. So he still gets their vote. BUGGER!!!
 
Ya know. It is really annoying to keep hearing people say, "Pick your battles" or "next time we'll do this or that". Let me tell ya, the war is getting away from us. The country is getting farther and farther away from its roots. If you don't make yourself heard, then stay out of the damn way, so the rest of us can try get something done!
 
The truth can be frustrating.
But unless the GOP wants to be a minority party forever they will let this one slip.
We ought to concentrate on defeating health care and cap-and-tax, and then rolling back the deficit. Those are real issues that are threatening the country.
 
The Sotomayor quote:
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion [as a judge] than a white male who hasn't lived that life."
Yessir! What is unspoken, of course, is the assumption that all us old white guys are trust fund kids.

Yup, I felt just like Teddy K. must have when I was growing up on the outskirts of Des Moines, on a dirt road. We had outdoor plumbing, but a deluxe 2-holer. Hell, we were among the neighborhood elite!
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Sorry, folks, but "context of the speech" is nonsense. This woman is a racist, a sexist, and one who sees the Constitution as at best an inconvenience to her agenda, pure and simple. I have no doubt she will be confirmed to great acclaim, and probably will go on to do great damage to what is left of the Constitution.

Bill
 
I'm beginning to think that this is a golden opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. If handled properly, it could be an opening to demonstrate what having the type of leadership the left would like the right to have, would actually look and act like!
Scenario #1. Would be solemn nodding of heads on our side in mute agreement with the nominee, and asking how she likes her coffee.
Scenario #2.? Would be, well see scenario #1.
Scenario #3 However, would be turning to the C-Span camera's and each in succession repeatedly saying "America, there's nothing we can do about this, due to you having elected a bullet proof majority of them in both houses".
Then voting "present" for confirmation.
 
Originally posted by ChadW:
Second, the firefighter issue isn't a "soundbite", it's a fact. One of the firefighters was interviewed and said he didn't get his promotion because he was white. He had tested better than some minorities, but since they decided to throw out the test results, they promoted LESS QUALIFIED people over him. Now that makes sense.

In fact, NONE of the FF's(white, black or other) has received a promotion since the civil service list was deemed "unacceptable" by the municipality. This is more of an injustice, as the supervisory ranks are woefully inadequate.
 
It was "unacceptable" because it resulted in a racially-disparate result. Such a result is illegal per Federal statute.
I think that sucks. I think that's ridiculous. But that is the law and that is why she ruled like that.
Conclusion: Judge Sotomayor, regardless of her participation in ritualistic observances and rules of the Roman Church is a member of a cultural group which is opposed to the traditional American values of self-determination, individual initiative, and self-reliance
That's the most absurdly bigoted thing I've read on a gun board in a long time. And my comment doesn't even begin to address the factual errors of the post.
 
Although she would not be MY choice, she does seem to have the qualifications. She replaces another liberal judge so no surprise there. I think not much impact as far as the vote is concerned. Heller would still pass.

It's simply BO playing to his audience. If we're not careful, this is the sort of thing that will get him re-elected, no matter what he does to our country. THEN, your 2nd Amendment rights will disappear.
 
all during the campaign, one of the most vocal reasons for voting against BO was "supreme court picks". well, now we have it. another "living constitution" judge.

we get the government we deserve, by being so careless and thoughtless about our liberty and our rights. more people care about who won "american idol" than care about their liberty.

it should be an interesting next few years....
 
I hope no one expected another Antonin Scalia. That just wasn't in the cards.
As things go, Sotomayor isn't bad. She isn't overtly political, like Patrick or Holder would have been. She isnt radical. She isnt out of left field but actually has judicial experience.
Suck it up and go on fighting the real issues.
 
Look on the bright side... she apparently has a history of being reversed on appeal. Now, there's no higher court that can reverse her! Her nomination is truly the "Peter Principle" at work...
 
http://www.nationaljournal.com...or_20090523_2724.php


OPENING ARGUMENT
Identity Politics And Sotomayor

The judge's thinking is representative of the Democratic Party's powerful identity-politics wing.

by Stuart Taylor

Saturday, May 23, 2009


"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion [as a judge] than a white male who hasn't lived that life." -- Judge Sonia Sotomayor, in her Judge Mario G. Olmos Law and Cultural Diversity Lecture at the University of California (Berkeley) School of Law in 2001

The above assertion and the rest of a remarkable speech to a Hispanic group by Sotomayor -- widely touted as a possible Obama nominee to the Supreme Court -- has drawn very little attention in the mainstream media since it was quoted deep inside The New York Times on May 15.
 
We must remember Eisenhower's statement that he made 2 Big Mistakes as President and they were both sitting on the Supreme Court. As long as we allow the concept of judicial supremacy to be the law of this land and allow appointed judges to ride roughshod over elected reprsentatives we will be no better off than the Iranians with their "Council of Experts".
 
from Reason.com

Sonia Sotomayor on Gun Rights and Racial Preferences
Why libertarians—and everyone who believes in limited government—should worry about Barack Obama's Supreme Court nominee

Damon W. Root | May 26, 2009

President Barack Obama's announcement that he wants federal appeals court Judge Sonia Sotomayor to replace retiring Supreme Court Justice David Souter comes as something less than a shock. For months, Sotomayor's name has topped most lists of potential candidates. With her compelling personal story, which stretches from a Bronx, New York housing project to Yale Law School to the federal Second Circuit Court of Appeals, Sotomayor's likely appointment as the Court's first Hispanic justice nicely complements Obama's own "only in America" narrative.

But when it comes to her judicial philosophy, there are some real causes for concern. In particular, on the hot-button issues of affirmative action and Second Amendment rights, her record suggests a decidedly illiberal vision of constitutional law.

Consider affirmative action. Last month, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the case of Ricci v. Destefano, which centered on charges of reverse discrimination at the New Haven, Connecticut fire department.

In 2003 the department administered a test to fill 15 captain and lieutenant vacancies, but when the results came in, no African Americans made the cut (14 whites and one Hispanic earned the top scores). In response to local pressure, the city then refused to certify the results and decided instead to leave the positions open until a suitable new test was developed. This prompted a lawsuit from a group of white firefighters who had been denied promotion, including lead plaintiff Frank Ricci, a 34-year-old dyslexic who says he spent months preparing for the now-voided test by listening to audiotape study guides as he drove to work.

Ricci's suit was initially thrown out at the district court level, prompting an appeal to the Second Circuit. At that point Sotomayor joined in an unsigned opinion embracing the district court's analysis without offering any analysis of its own.

This prompted fellow Second Circuit Judge Jose Cabranes—a liberal Democrat appointed by President Bill Clinton—to issue a stern rebuke. "The opinion contains no reference whatsoever to the constitutional claims at the core of this case," Cabranes wrote. "This perfunctory disposition rests uneasily with the weighty issues presented by this appeal."

It's an important point. Ricci gets at the very heart of the debate over whether the Constitution should be interpreted as a colorblind document. As the liberal legal commenter Emily Bazelon noted at Slate, "If Sotomayor and her colleagues were trying to shield the case from Supreme Court review, her punt had the opposite effect. It drew Cabranes' ire, and he hung a big red flag on the case, which the Supreme Court grabbed."

Given that the Court is likely to side with Ricci and his fellow plaintiffs, Sotomayor's silent endorsement of New Haven's reverse discrimination is certain to come back to haunt her during her confirmation hearings.

Equally troubling is Sotomayor's record on the Second Amendment. This past January, the Second Circuit issued its opinion in Maloney v. Cuomo, which Sotomayor joined, ruling that the Second Amendment does not apply against state and local governments. At issue was a New York ban on various weapons, including nunchucks. After last year's District of Columbia v. Heller, which struck down DC's handgun ban, attention turned to whether state and local gun control laws might violate the Second Amendment as well.

"It is settled law," Sotomayor and the Second Circuit held, "that the Second Amendment applies only to limitations the federal government seeks to impose on this right." But contrast that with the Ninth Circuit's decision last month in Nordyke v. King, which reached a very different conclusion, one that matches the Second Amendment's text, original meaning, and history:

We therefore conclude that the right to keep and bear arms is "deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition." Colonial revolutionaries, the Founders, and a host of commentators and lawmakers living during the first one hundred years of the Republic all insisted on the fundamental nature of the right. It has long been regarded as the "true palladium of liberty."

Colonists relied on it to assert and to win their independence, and the victorious Union sought to prevent a recalcitrant South from abridging it less than a century later. The crucial role this deeply rooted right has played in our birth and history compels us to recognize that it is indeed fundamental, that it is necessary to the Anglo-American conception of ordered liberty that we have inherited. We are therefore persuaded that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment and applies it against the states and local governments.

This split between the two circuits means that the Supreme Court is almost certain to take up the question in the near future. What role might soon-to-be Justice Sotomayor play? As gun rights scholar and Independence Institute Research Director Dave Kopel told me via email, Sotomayor's opinions "demonstrate a profound hostility to Second Amendment rights. If we follow Senator Obama's principle that Senators should vote against judges whose views on legal issues are harmful, then it is hard to see how someone who supports Second Amendment rights could vote to confirm Sonia Sotomayor."

As a respected jurist with an impressive legal resume, Sotomayor appears just as qualified to sit on the Supreme Court as any recent nominee. But from the standpoint of individual liberty and limited constitutional government, there are significant reasons to be wary of her nomination.

Damon W. Root is a Reason associate editor.
 
more on Sotomayor from a very liberal site, The New Republic.com

The Case Against Sotomayor
Indictments of Obama's front-runner to replace Souter.

Jeffrey Rosen, The New Republic Published: Monday, May 04, 2009

This is the first in a series of reports by TNR legal affairs editor Jeffrey Rosen about the strengths and weaknesses of the leading candidates on Barack Obama's Supreme Court shortlist.

A judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, Sonia Sotomayor's biography is so compelling that many view her as the presumptive front-runner for Obama's first Supreme Court appointment. She grew up in the South Bronx, the daughter of Puerto Rican parents. Her father, a manual laborer who never attended high school, died a year after she was diagnosed with diabetes at the age of eight.

She was raised by her mother, a nurse, and went to Princeton and then Yale Law School. She worked as a New York assistant district attorney and commercial litigator before Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan recommended her as a district court nominee to the first President Bush. She would be the first Hispanic Supreme Court justice, if you don't count Benjamin Cardozo. (She went to Catholic schools and would also be the sixth Catholic justice on the current Supreme Court if she is, in fact, Catholic, which isn't clear from her official biography.) And she has powerful supporters: Last month, the two senators from New York wrote to President Obama in a burst of demographic enthusiasm, urging him to appoint Sotomayor or Ken Salazar.

Sotomayor's former clerks sing her praises as a demanding but thoughtful boss whose personal experiences have given her a commitment to legal fairness. "She is a rule-bound pragmatist--very geared toward determining what the right answer is and what the law dictates, but her general approach is, unsurprisingly, influenced by her unique background," says one former clerk. "She grew up in a situation of disadvantage, and was able, by virtue of the system operating in such a fair way, to accomplish what she did. I think she sees the law as an instrument that can accomplish the same thing for other people, a system that, if administered fairly, can give everyone the fair break they deserve, regardless of who they are."

Her former clerks report that because Sotomayor is divorced and has no children, her clerks become like her extended family--working late with her, visiting her apartment once a month for card games (where she remembers their favorite drinks), and taking a field trip together to the premier of a Harry Potter movie.

But despite the praise from some of her former clerks, and warm words from some of her Second Circuit colleagues, there are also many reservations about Sotomayor. Over the past few weeks, I've been talking to a range of people who have worked with her, nearly all of them former law clerks for other judges on the Second Circuit or former federal prosecutors in New York. Most are Democrats and all of them want President Obama to appoint a judicial star of the highest intellectual caliber who has the potential to change the direction of the court.

Nearly all of them acknowledged that Sotomayor is a presumptive front-runner, but nearly none of them raved about her. They expressed questions about her temperament, her judicial craftsmanship, and most of all, her ability to provide an intellectual counterweight to the conservative justices, as well as a clear liberal alternative.

The most consistent concern was that Sotomayor, although an able lawyer, was "not that smart and kind of a bully on the bench," as one former Second Circuit clerk for another judge put it. "She has an inflated opinion of herself, and is domineering during oral arguments, but her questions aren't penetrating and don't get to the heart of the issue." (During one argument, an elderly judicial colleague is said to have leaned over and said, "Will you please stop talking and let them talk?")

Second Circuit judge Jose Cabranes, who would later become her colleague, put this point more charitably in a 1995 interview with The New York Times: "She is not intimidated or overwhelmed by the eminence or power or prestige of any party, or indeed of the media."

Her opinions, although competent, are viewed by former prosecutors as not especially clean or tight, and sometimes miss the forest for the trees. It's customary, for example, for Second Circuit judges to circulate their draft opinions to invite a robust exchange of views. Sotomayor, several former clerks complained, rankled her colleagues by sending long memos that didn't distinguish between substantive and trivial points, with petty editing suggestions--fixing typos and the like--rather than focusing on the core analytical issues.

Some former clerks and prosecutors expressed concerns about her command of technical legal details: In 2001, for example, a conservative colleague, Ralph Winter, included an unusual footnote in a case suggesting that an earlier opinion by Sotomayor might have inadvertently misstated the law in a way that misled litigants.

The most controversial case in which Sotomayor participated is Ricci v. DeStefano, the explosive case involving affirmative action in the New Haven fire department, which is now being reviewed by the Supreme Court. A panel including Sotomayor ruled against the firefighters in a perfunctory unpublished opinion. This provoked Judge Cabranes, a fellow Clinton appointee, to object to the panel's opinion that contained "no reference whatsoever to the constitutional issues at the core of this case." (The extent of Sotomayor's involvement in the opinion itself is not publicly known.)

Not all the former clerks for other judges I talked to were skeptical about Sotomayor. "I know the word on the street is that she's not the brainiest of people, but I didn't have that experience," said one former clerk for another judge. "She's an incredibly impressive person, she's not shy or apologetic about who she is, and that's great."

This supporter praised Sotomayor for not being a wilting violet. "She commands attention, she's clearly in charge, she speaks her mind, she's funny, she's voluble, and she has ownership over the role in a very positive way," she said. "She's a fine Second Circuit judge--maybe not the smartest ever, but how often are Supreme Court nominees the smartest ever?"

I haven't read enough of Sotomayor's opinions to have a confident sense of them, nor have I talked to enough of Sotomayor's detractors and supporters, to get a fully balanced picture of her strengths. It's possible that the former clerks and former prosecutors I talked to have an incomplete picture of her abilities.

But they're not motivated by sour grapes or by ideological disagreement--they'd like the most intellectually powerful and politically effective liberal justice possible. And they think that Sotomayor, although personally and professionally impressive, may not meet that demanding standard. Given the stakes, the president should obviously satisfy himself that he has a complete picture before taking a gamble.

Jeffrey Rosen is the legal affairs editor at The New Republic.
 

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