seems easy to get a ccw permit

[speedyquad]

I can't say for sure, but that phone call may have been your background check. Does PA use the NICS system? If so that quick call is all it would take. You can run a NICS check off the website or on the phone. Name, place of birth, date of birth, current state of residence, social sec # and you can get a proceed in seconds.

my laziness prevented me from saying that the phone call was, in fact, a bg check using the NICS system. it took less time for that call than the call for my sigma...only because there was a heck of sale going on at the lgs and there was 2 other NICS calls ahead of mine...lol...

 

[indiandave]

I don't think it should be too easy to get CCW permit, some people should not carry concealed weapons in public. The right to bear arms for personal use does not mean they are carrying them around. Some great people are unable to control themselves at times (we all know at least one), the last thing they need is to immediately have a gun.

I live in the state of Pennsylvania it is very easy to get a LTCF. It's the way it should be. as far as "people not being able to contol themselves". With all the ccw's issued in this country,there is only a very very small percentage of people who get into trouble with them.

 

[Rossi720]

in order to carry a gun one must have a gun to carry. the permit or lack thereof neither facilitates nor bars this action in the physical sense. The permit makes it legal and offers a measure of protection in the legal sense only.
the permit should not be harder to get than the gun.

In N.C. you only need a permit to obtain a gun, not to possess, own or open carry one.


Gun Ownership FAQ

 

[shield]

In N.C. you only need a permit to obtain a gun, not to possess, own or open carry one.


Gun Ownership FAQ

OK, I can trump that . In AZ you don't need a permit at all for purchase, possession, open carry, or concealed carry.

 

[Lost Lake]

The thing about DE is that this is ONLY for a Concealed Carry - to purchase a weapon, you just need to pass NCIS screening.

And here is a little tidbit you might not know, DE (except for the city of Dover and other state park lands) is an Open Carry state - no permit or residency required. But the police don't always know this...which makes for some interesting conversations/confrontations

But it doesn't matter because the 2nd Ammendment only guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. Doesn't guarantee the right to keep a weapon concealed...each state makes the laws that they see fit in things not governed by the constitution...that is why IL is allowed to get away with not issuing CCW

99% of the time, strapping a gun on your hip or mounting an uzi on your stroller will get you stopped and hassled and maybe even taken downtown for evaluation. Open carry is not a viable option in most cases even when it's legal.

 

[phlydude]

checkout DELOC.org sometime...there is a VERY active community that discusses the procedures and how to respond to police when confronted

 

[venomballistics]

In N.C. you only need a permit to obtain a gun, not to possess, own or open carry one.


Gun Ownership FAQ

you had stated that it should not be "easy"(relative term) to obtain a concealed carry permit. to that I responded it should be no harder to obtain said permit (Concealed Carry) than the gun since obtaining a gun implies ownership and possession there of. It is the gun itself that facilitates its carry, concealed or otherwise. Ask anyone who has carried concealed prior to CCW permits. there have been and still are many who have. Why make it hard to conform the practice to the law after passing a background check to obtain the gun in the first place?

 

[Martya]

Everyone is missing the "...shall not be infringed" part.

Does anyone really believe that passing laws and more laws and more laws making it harder and harder for law-abiding citizens to purchase / own / carry a firearm stops the 'crazies' from doing whatever they want with their weapon?

Does anyone really believe that passing laws and more laws and more laws preventing / inhibiting / permitting law-abiding citizens from purchasing / owning / carrying a firearm makes law abiding citizens safer?

There will always be 'crazies;' how about the government getting out of my way so I can play on this planet on a level playing field?

 

[venomballistics]

Everyone is missing the "...shall not be infringed" part.

Does anyone really believe that passing laws and more laws and more laws making it harder and harder for law-abiding citizens to purchase / own / carry a firearm stops the 'crazies' from doing whatever they want with their weapon?

Does anyone really believe that passing laws and more laws and more laws preventing / inhibiting / permitting law-abiding citizens from purchasing / owning / carrying a firearm makes law abiding citizens safer?

There will always be 'crazies;' how about the government getting out of my way so I can play on this planet on a level playing field?

lets roll with that for a minute ...
ever notice that for every increase in restrictions there has been an increase in crime? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result ... restrictions / infringements have not worked so why keep trying?
I suspect that since the theater shooting, we've been invaded by libtards attempting to have us believe in the insanity.

 

[Rossi720]

I am not against the old wild west type justice and gun ownership, It actually may solve a lot of problems we have right now, but a lot of Innocent people did die at the hands of some plain bad folks back then.

And I agree "if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns."

 

[venomballistics]

I am not against the old wild west type justice and gun ownership, It actually may solve a lot of problems we have right now, but a lot of Innocent people did die at the hands of some plain bad folks back then.

I like the idea of due process over gettin' the rope. They lynched a few of the wrong ones too.
as for innocents dieing at the hands of bad apples ... little has changed really. For as long as the unwashed masses are lead to believe it is legally and morally wrong to go fourth armed in their own defense, the bad actors face little resistance.

 

[largecaliberman]

Conceal Carry Permit

just my thoughts, it seemed too easy to get my concealed carry permit, i did the whole thing by mail,( except for the saftey class ) never talked to a leo or any other kind of official

whats your thoughts

I am for CC. the only concern I have is all applicants must go thru a thorough criminal and a psychological background check (too much crazies), a drug test AND pass a marksmanship course just like the law enforcement. Can you imagine if someone with a weapon starts shooting and can't even aim straight and hit an innocent person. In addition, everyone applying for a CCP has to pass a written exam involving their current laws and regulations (just like applying for a drivers license). Finally, on a periodic basis---take a refresher course to be updated on current laws and requalify on a marksmanship course (like renewing a drivers license).

 

[venomballistics]

I am for CC. the only concern I have is all applicants must go thru a thorough criminal and a psychological background check (too much crazies), a drug test AND pass a marksmanship course just like the law enforcement. Can you imagine if someone with a weapon starts shooting and can't even aim straight and hit an innocent person. In addition, everyone applying for a CCP has to pass a written exam involving their current laws and regulations (just like applying for a drivers license). Finally, on a periodic basis---take a refresher course to be updated on current laws and requalify on a marksmanship course (like renewing a drivers license).

I would agree.
however I just cannot get past the fact that thugs succeed at killing innocents every day having met none of the above requirements.

 

[Lost Lake]

I am for CC. the only concern I have is all applicants must go thru a thorough criminal and a psychological background check (too much crazies), a drug test AND pass a marksmanship course just like the law enforcement. Can you imagine if someone with a weapon starts shooting and can't even aim straight and hit an innocent person. In addition, everyone applying for a CCP has to pass a written exam involving their current laws and regulations (just like applying for a drivers license). Finally, on a periodic basis---take a refresher course to be updated on current laws and requalify on a marksmanship course (like renewing a drivers license).

Interesting...

Most of those who commit the crimes are normal people, the guy next door, who everyone likes. Dahmer comes to mind. Just a regular guy....

Pass a drug test? What do you consider a drug? I think alcohol may pose a threat, so are you saying any alcohol use would bar someone from carrying a gun? If not, why not?

And about this marksmanship test.... Do you propose we show competence at 3 feet or 300 feet? People don't shoot people in self-defense at long range. And I have read that trained police average a fair amount of missed rounds. That's with regular training and qualifying.

On the flip side there are thousands of stories where a good guy did nothing but show a gun or even place his hand on his hip and the bad guy turned away. Many times just showing a gun can stop a threat.

While all these regulations for marksmanship and training and background checks and all that look good on paper and pacify the left, in real world circumstances they don't hold true. In a gun fight you aren't taking the Weaver stand and blasting holes in paper targets. You may be hiding behind a desk and shooting at an attacker blindly (we just had a video of cops doing that posted here).

For 250 years we have had guns in our hands and the number of accidental fatalities is acceptable for the right it allows the people of this country.

More people die at the wheel of a car. If you want to increase regulations start there.

 

[toyfarmerjj]

I have held CHCL from Texas and now Arkansas. In both states I had safety training, written test about deadly force and CHCL laws, firearm profiency, finger prints both for state and FBI background checks. My CHCL instuctors have always been very serious and through about their class. Yes, I know that there criminals who carry... but I still prefer to be legal. Another benifit is when purchasing a firearm I do not have to have a NICS check, the dealer uses my CHCL.

 

[TACC1]

I've Gotta Join Lost Lake here...

The whole point of carrying a concealed weapon is for defence.
When you check into it, if you defend yourself with a sharp stick,
in the eyes of the law, its "use as a weapon" makes it one.
Sure, training is great, but there should be nothing in your
path to keep you from defending yourself.
The NICS check stops felons from legally buying guns, but
they'll use a rock or a club if need be.
I'd rather see every person in the country carry, than put
up roadblocks to self-defence. It Is Your RIGHT!!
TACC1
P.S. I feel quite strongly about this subject-rant over.

 

[yaktamer]

I am for CC. the only concern I have is all applicants must go thru a thorough criminal and a psychological background check (too much crazies), a drug test AND pass a marksmanship course just like the law enforcement. Can you imagine if someone with a weapon starts shooting and can't even aim straight and hit an innocent person. In addition, everyone applying for a CCP has to pass a written exam involving their current laws and regulations (just like applying for a drivers license). Finally, on a periodic basis---take a refresher course to be updated on current laws and requalify on a marksmanship course (like renewing a drivers license).

One more reason to like Arizona. You don't need to renew your driver license until your 65th birthday.

 

[GaryS]

I am for CC. the only concern I have is all applicants must go thru a thorough criminal and a psychological background check (too much crazies), a drug test AND pass a marksmanship course just like the law enforcement. Can you imagine if someone with a weapon starts shooting and can't even aim straight and hit an innocent person. In addition, everyone applying for a CCP has to pass a written exam involving their current laws and regulations (just like applying for a drivers license). Finally, on a periodic basis---take a refresher course to be updated on current laws and requalify on a marksmanship course (like renewing a drivers license).

I'm all for free speech and voting, but my concern is that people should have to take classes to learn the issues and be able to be informed voters. They should have to take a written test before they can vote. And have a complete psychological evaluation before they can write a letter to the editor or go to a town meeting and voice an opinion. They should also be subject to periodic review of their qualifications to vote.

Oh wait, everyone of those things is a violation of the First Amendment, but for some reason people seem to think that similar restrictions on firearms ownership are just dandy.

 

[Blueface2]

I have a concealed permit as does my wife, and take full advantage of it by carrying daily.

In Florida, fingerprints, photo, a background check and $117 on a check and you are good to go.

Simple, just the way it should be.

 

[oldtexan]

just my thoughts, it seemed too easy to get my concealed carry permit, i did the whole thing by mail,( except for the saftey class ) never talked to a leo or any other kind of official

whats your thoughts

I'm a Texan. It's really none of my business how any other state does its business.

My guess is though that you'll find very few people here who are sympathetic to additional restrictions on our 2nd Amendment rights.