Shutdown the NFL

If you are talking about Tom Brady's wife, she makes much more than he does. In fact, I think she makes more in a year than he will in his entire career. She's supposedly worth about $250 Million. Give or take, of course.

I don't think she's even that good looking, but what do I know?


steelslaver said:
ladder13 said:
NFL players and their wives gotta eat too. :)

Well, she probably makes about as much as he does as one of the top models in the world. Exact same thing goes for movie stars, etc. But, I am glad they spend their money on mansions, jets, cars, boats lavish weddings. Keeps the money rolling and employees people. Much better than some CEO that that gets 50 million a year in stock options, keeps it, all the while his employees get heath insurance premium increases.
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I'll admit I'm biased because I love football and guns. I view them both as a sport. But this thread makes me sad because I would be willing to bet the same people attacking football would defend guns to the end.

I see parallels between one or two (or a few) bad apples giving football (sports in general) a bad image and one or two nut jobs giving guns a bad image. Guess it depends on your perspective and preference as to whether or not you defend or attack the basic sport.

Some have said they believe that football is violent or creates a mentality of beating people (women specifically). Using the same argument does hunting (or guns) then create the urge (desire) to kill?
 
As GaryS mentioned, this behavior didn't start when these guys were drafted.

We have coaches at all levels of football, who get lost in the "winning is everything" mindset. A couple of things the coaches should be teaching is:
  • When you score, act like you've been there before.
  • When the play is over, turn it off.
And this isn't limited to football. How many pro baseballers pose when they hit one out of the park? And, how many B'ball players overact when they score?

I realize that the youngsters emulate the pros, but a good coach knows how to tame the behavior.

We have a situation in the Detroit area, where a high school quarterback is now in jail because of the following:

Last year he sucker punched an opposing player during the post-game handshake. The opposing player's offense? He tackled the QB and stripped him of the ball. He was supposed to be suspended for two games at the start of this season.

Instead, he disobeyed a security guard who told him to remove the sweatshirt hood from his head. It's a school rule. The student body-slammed the security guard and it was caught on video. When the case came to trial, he was punished, and spent time in jail, getting out just before school started.

On the very day he was released from jail, he went to his school, assaulted his girl friend, and stole her cell phone. He was immediately arrested, and now remains in the Wayne County jail on a $300k cash bond. He is also under investigation for an assault allegedly committed by he and other inmates while in jail.

Until he was re-arrested, Michigan State University was actually considering recruiting him, and putting him on scholarship.

Ever wonder why the NFL has trouble?
 
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This old guy would not shed a tear if the NFL went idle. Milionaires playing a game to make billionaires more money and demanding the public pay for their billion-dollar stadiums. Just look at Atlanta....$1.2-billion for a new stadium to guarantee a chance to get a Superbowl sometime in the future. This old guy cannot afford to get four tickets to a game for nose-bleed seats, concessions and $50 parking.
 
Dennis The B said:
As GaryS mentioned, this behavior didn't start when these guys were drafted.

We have coaches at all levels of football, who get lost in the "winning is everything" mindset. A couple of things the coaches should be teaching is:
  • When you score, act like you've been there before.
  • When the play is over, turn it off.
And this isn't limited to football. How many pro baseballers pose when they hit one out of the park? And, how many B'ball players overact when they score?
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While I think it's amateurish to do that stuff on the field, I don't much care if they do it. The problem is when they extend that atmosphere of entitlement off the field. Basketball has much the same problem with the same demographic of players. A couple of have been caught carrying illegally, so the NBA decides that legal carry will be prohibited. Same with the NFL.

Baseball has less of it, and the NHL even less.
 
"Hey, look at me ! ! !"
Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc.
In sports, good or bad just gotta have that ESPN highlight.
I miss the professionalism in pro sports.
 
Well, I'm going to disagree with the vast majority of our posters here. For the first time I think the vast majority posting opinions here are acting like idjets.

I'd agree with suspending any player that has some accusation against him, but only if that rule is applied to everyone else. If its a he said/she said kind of question, suspend them both until a court of law has convicted them. Yes, that means the firefighter (like the vocal ones above) and the wife (day care worker?) both are out of work until its settled.

Statistics seem to indicate that in many of the situations, including the one above, the wife tossed the first punch. Sure, he shouldn't have hit her back. But both should be out of work until its settled. Remember, these are just accusations. Not even charges filed. So lets convict them in the court of public opinion and the media, who probably are just as bad as the football players.

So the simple fact is, you guys are wrong. If you want to take drastic punitive action based on an accusation, or a short video, its OK. But those same rules should apply against you and your children. Would you really want that?
 
rburg said:
Well, I'm going to disagree with the vast majority of our posters here. For the first time I think the vast majority posting opinions here are acting like idjets.

I'd agree with suspending any player that has some accusation against him, but only if that rule is applied to everyone else. If its a he said/she said kind of question, suspend them both until a court of law has convicted them. Yes, that means the firefighter (like the vocal ones above) and the wife (day care worker?) both are out of work until its settled.

Statistics seem to indicate that in many of the situations, including the one above, the wife tossed the first punch. Sure, he shouldn't have hit her back. But both should be out of work until its settled. Remember, these are just accusations. Not even charges filed. So lets convict them in the court of public opinion and the media, who probably are just as bad as the football players.

So the simple fact is, you guys are wrong. If you want to take drastic punitive action based on an accusation, or a short video, its OK. But those same rules should apply against you and your children. Would you really want that?
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Yea and Cincinnati is 2-0 and at present is shellacking the Titans 32-0 half way through the 4th Quarter :D Whereas the Saints are in the 4th quarter and about ready to unleash the Rob Ryan 4th quarter prevent to prevent a win!
They may be thugs but they're OUR thugs! That's why we don't try them until after the playoffs! NFL is a bunch of sanctimonious *******s. They are in it for the money pure and simple-not that there is anything wrong with that, but it is what it is. The public won't abandon the league and neither will the advertisers-wayyyyy too much money out there to be made.
 
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Well said.

rburg said:
Well, I'm going to disagree with the vast majority of our posters here. For the first time I think the vast majority posting opinions here are acting like idjets.

I'd agree with suspending any player that has some accusation against him, but only if that rule is applied to everyone else. If its a he said/she said kind of question, suspend them both until a court of law has convicted them. Yes, that means the firefighter (like the vocal ones above) and the wife (day care worker?) both are out of work until its settled.

Statistics seem to indicate that in many of the situations, including the one above, the wife tossed the first punch. Sure, he shouldn't have hit her back. But both should be out of work until its settled. Remember, these are just accusations. Not even charges filed. So lets convict them in the court of public opinion and the media, who probably are just as bad as the football players.

So the simple fact is, you guys are wrong. If you want to take drastic punitive action based on an accusation, or a short video, its OK. But those same rules should apply against you and your children. Would you really want that?
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rburg said:
Well, I'm going to disagree with the vast majority of our posters here. For the first time I think the vast majority posting opinions here are acting like idjets.

I'd agree with suspending any player that has some accusation against him, but only if that rule is applied to everyone else. If its a he said/she said kind of question, suspend them both until a court of law has convicted them. Yes, that means the firefighter (like the vocal ones above) and the wife (day care worker?) both are out of work until its settled.

Statistics seem to indicate that in many of the situations, including the one above, the wife tossed the first punch. Sure, he shouldn't have hit her back. But both should be out of work until its settled. Remember, these are just accusations. Not even charges filed. So lets convict them in the court of public opinion and the media, who probably are just as bad as the football players.

So the simple fact is, you guys are wrong. If you want to take drastic punitive action based on an accusation, or a short video, its OK. But those same rules should apply against you and your children. Would you really want that?
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One of the things that's not been mentioned, is the difference in employment status of the NFL'ers. They all have contracts with their teams and the NFL, and they're all covered by the NFL Players Association, and these contracts probably have some type of behavioral or "morals" clause in them, and the player agrees to abide by those contractual terms.

Now, take your example of the firefighter and the wife. Probably, neither has an employment contract which defines behavior off the job. They get into a domestic dispute which doesn't involve their jobs. Their is no earthly reason to suspend or fire either one for misdeeds outside the job.

The problem we have, is the intersection of moral behavior and legal behavior. It's immoral to abuse one's spouse. It's also illegal. However, because we're bound by a legal system, we can't hold people legally responsible until they're tried and convicted legally, or they're held responsible in a civil court.

We're beyond the 17th century, where a person could be outcast by the community. Our establishment of a Constitution eliminated that type of punishment.

If the firefighter or the wife were to be suspended or fired from work, because of the incident, what happens when one, or both, are found not guilty in the case of a trial? Let's say the best case, is that both get reinstated. I doubt that the employer(s) will be held harmless. Someone is going to get full back pay. Some employer pays twice, because they needed to replace the labor in the interim, and then they have to make someone whole.

This is an emotional issue, and out of the emotions often come bad laws, and even worse personal decisions.
 
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