I was scoping out other forums lately and cannot believe the anti-Sigma B.S. on these forums. I am considering purchasing a Ruger LCP, so I slide over to their forum to see if there are any inherent problems with the pistol. There is a thread posted by some unfortunates who purchased Sigmas with tall tales of guns literally falling apart out of the box. Come on, man. Check out the Glock forums for more horror stories about the Sigma. We Sigma owners know this to be nonsense. Do you think it makes someone who purchased a Glock at $250 more than a Sigma to feel better about themselves for their purchase price to post such nonsense? This S&W forum rarely gets into Glock bashing, you know, the gun that sometimes blows up, because Glock makes a fine firearm.I've owned one. Do we see people boasting about the 2 big Ruger recalls in recent months? I'm looking into the purchase of an LCP. Happy owner of a Sigma 9F and 40VE signing off. Excuse me now while I scotch tape my 9F back together and try to recover all the gun parts from my most recent 40VE explosion.
Sigma fell apart in my hands! Piece of crap!
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I was scoping out other forums lately and cannot believe the anti-Sigma B.S. on these forums. I am considering purchasing a Ruger LCP, so I slide over to their forum to see if there are any inherent problems with the pistol. There is a thread posted by some unfortunates who purchased Sigmas with tall tales of guns literally falling apart out of the box. Come on, man. Check out the Glock forums for more horror stories about the Sigma. We Sigma owners know this to be nonsense. Do you think it makes someone who purchased a Glock at $250 more than a Sigma to feel better about themselves for their purchase price to post such nonsense? This S&W forum rarely gets into Glock bashing, you know, the gun that sometimes blows up, because Glock makes a fine firearm.I've owned one. Do we see people boasting about the 2 big Ruger recalls in recent months? I'm looking into the purchase of an LCP. Happy owner of a Sigma 9F and 40VE signing off. Excuse me now while I scotch tape my 9F back together and try to recover all the gun parts from my most recent 40VE explosion.
Some people need to validate their choice of product among a number of good alternatives. And it's not limited to firearms. For example, go to any Japanese car fan-boy forum and you'll see plenty of "ZOMGzors Volkswagen aer Teh SUKZORS" and other incoherent crap designed to make them feel better about themselves. Glock fans feel the same way about the Sigma and M&P, and Walther snobs likewise about the SW99.
I hear you guys. That's what most owners of medium to high end gun owners fear the most. They can't believe that there is a gun out there that does the same job for half the price. My sigma in 40 cal feels and shoots just fine, I bought it for $225.00 with two ("steel" not plasic) mags six months ago,the same gunshop now sells them for $395.00 and can't keep'em stocked, go figure!!!
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I had a friend who had a Glock "KB" on him yes that's "KA-BOOM" for the people who don't know.
On the flip side I did own a "Block" before and it worked just fine. I would never buy another one though they just dont fit my hand right.
My Sigma on the other hand is just a joy to shoot and it's never failed me yet.
On the flip side I did own a "Block" before and it worked just fine. I would never buy another one though they just dont fit my hand right.
My Sigma on the other hand is just a joy to shoot and it's never failed me yet.
357larry
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Around here Glock owners are like the fat sissy boys who drive BMWs. They just think that because they own it, it has to be the best. Someone told them so.
cshoff
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I completely agree. I've never understood why some people don't feel that Sigma's and Glock's can peacefully coexist. My Dad and Brother are both Glock fans, but both of them like my Sigma's as well. They both realize that, just because they chose Glock's, that doesn't make every other brand of handgun a piece of junk. Likewise, I find their Glock's to be quite reliable. I just don't find they fit my hand as well as the Sigma and don't believe they are worth the extra $150 - $200 they cost. That said, I would feel perfectly fine carrying their Glock handguns for personal protection as they have been very reliable.
Lee in Quartzsite
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My wife has an LCP and it is great little gun, but I don't like the trigger and she is learning to live with it. I have a 642 with a CT laser and I much prefer the way it shoots over the LCP.
I had a Sigma for almost 4 years before I got a M&P 9 Compact. The Sigma was a great gun, except for its trigger. I never had one FTF or FTE during the time I owned it. I traded it for the M&P, which I really like. Just my $0.02.......
Erich
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FWIW, there really were some issues with the first gen Sigmas. They clearly got them fixed with the revision in '97.
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I'm not just sure what you're referring to as "Around here..." but this is one Glock owner who doesn't have to be told anything about the Glock because I've found out for myself that they are as good, if not better, than anything else on the Market today. And, you can take your "Opinion" and stuff it where the Sun Don't Shine if you can find room with your head already there!!! I don't believe I've ever read any of your other Posts here but I've very sure that this is the LAST one I ever will!!!
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This kind of bashing is just unnecessary. Glock makes a fine gun that has had its occasional problems.
S&W makes fine guns that have had their occasional problems.
The bottom line is that I, for one, would trust my life with a Glock or a Smith & Wesson, and I do not feel the need to make ignoramus comments to those who choose the Glock.
I hear that often as well. The F series. As the owner of a very well used 9F ($150 with two 17 round mags), my first of 3 Sigmas, I've found it to be very reliable and a better FCG than the 9VE I bought new and sold for nearly what I paid for it new. The 9F is a fine gun, the 40F had fracture issues. The 9VE is a great pistol for the money, the 9F as well as one can be had cheaply.
ColbyBruce
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I have owned a few Sigmas, never had one fail on me but I just don't care for polymer frames. That said, a local guy didn't care for the grey color of his Sigma frame and dyed it black using Ritz clothing dye. It worked, you can't scratch it off. It colored evenly throughout as well, and no color seems to be wearing off the frame rails.
If any of you Sigma owners choose to go this route, I would like to see a tye-dye version.
If any of you Sigma owners choose to go this route, I would like to see a tye-dye version.
LuddhaBuddha
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I think by around here he meant in his area of residence, not the board.
HOUSTON RICK
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I would like to pick up the green Sigma someday, but clearly it is not a need.
rogerwnuss
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I kinda thought he meant it as humor. Surely no one could really think that about Glock owners-I mean, it's not like they are Walther P88s. That's one gun that might qualify as the Corvette of pistols, if any would. And I'm not putting down 'vette owners in general, but we've all encountered the type, right?
Anyways, I just got an SW99, I'm trying to re-acquire a Sigma I foolishly let go to a friend, and I've got 4 Glock .40 mags I'm holding on to as I look for a pistol to use 'em with, so no snob, I.
Anyways, I just got an SW99, I'm trying to re-acquire a Sigma I foolishly let go to a friend, and I've got 4 Glock .40 mags I'm holding on to as I look for a pistol to use 'em with, so no snob, I.
I worked in gunshops from 1988 until 1996. The first Glocks I saw were strange to me, and to most others, not being accustomed to a polymer framed handgun. They were very hard to sell at first, but it only took a few months for them to really take off. I think it was not only the high quality of the gun, but also the marketing. We had counter mats, posters, decals, hats, patches, key chains, etc. They had a good product and knew how to market it. I don't remember ever having one come back with a problem. But during that same time, I sold a lot of Gen 2 and 3 Smiths and never had a problem with any of them either. I owned a Glock 17, it didn't fit my hand. The guy I sold it to loved it. I had a 4003 shortly after that, which I loved. I have an M&P 40 now that I like better than both of them. It is all personal preference. In these trying times that all gun owners must endure, why do some people find the need to fight among themselves? As long as pieces of Sigma aren't flying over in their lane, why should Glock guys care what you shoot, and visa versa? Until somebody else starts paying for my firearms, I'll shoot what I want.
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Whatever he meant or wherever he was talking about, his attitude sucks and I for one don't mind telling him so!
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Swabby said what I feel ! I have a SW40VE and it performs great esp for the price.It fits my hand just right and has fed any ammo I've loaded it with so far.It is my SD pistol but I have others also from various brands. I judge a pistol by it's performance in my hands not just what I hear. If I found a great deal on a Glock when I was in the market for another pistol I might buy 1. I don't buy to impress I buy to shoot !
GaDawg
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I'm not trying to bash anybody but the new sigma 40ve that I bought last weekend broke after 14 rounds were fired. I put it on UPS to go back to S&W this morning. I hope that this is a very unusual thing to happen. I like the way the gun fits, weight etc. I've owned quite a few firearms and this was a first for me.
P.S. Somebody on another thread said it was my fault for not field stripping the weapon before shooting. Well, that ignorant SOB doesn't know that I was a passenger for 2 hours after buying the sigma. During that time I went completely through the manual and fileds tripped the weapon till I could do it with my eyes closed!
P.S. Somebody on another thread said it was my fault for not field stripping the weapon before shooting. Well, that ignorant SOB doesn't know that I was a passenger for 2 hours after buying the sigma. During that time I went completely through the manual and fileds tripped the weapon till I could do it with my eyes closed!
Andy Taylor
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I own a first generation 9mm. I inherited it when a friend passed away about a year and half ago. It was his duty weapon. I have about 400 rounds through it. My late friend put somewhere in the nieghborhood of 10,000 rounds through it. He sent it back to S&W once for a broken trigger return spring. Never had any other issues
cshoff
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Did you clean it thoroughly while you had it field stripped, or did you just take it apart and put it back together multiple times?
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Well I've been a Glock fan for 15 years now. It's also my issued weapon at work.
But at $316.00 for a SW40GVE from budsgunshop.com I decided to take a chance. Hopefully it wont take to long to get here.
But at $316.00 for a SW40GVE from budsgunshop.com I decided to take a chance. Hopefully it wont take to long to get here.
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I bought my first Glock, a 17 in 1987. I still have that gun, having carried it as a Border Patrol Agent when the patrol still allowed personally owned handguns. It was always reliable and held up to a lot of abuse. Its been packed full of dust, banged against rocks, and dunked in the Pacific Ocean once or twice. Its had a lot of rounds thru it and probably half were +P+. Even with a lot of rounds thru it, it was the gun I still chose to fire for record when I was selected to attend an FBI firearms instructor school. I currently own five Glocks in 9mm, 40, and 45.
I saw my first Sigma when they were first introduced in 9mm and recall that I noted the similarity between them and Glocks. Later I heard that Glock had sued S&W for infringements, but I never heard what the official outcome was for that. My personal experience with the Sigma is limited to a few rounds here and there. About the time that the Sigma was acquiring a bad reputation, S&W's ownership at the time was getting in bed with the Clinton regime, which didn't go over very well with honest American gun owners.
A police department in my area, like many, were die-hard S&W throughout the transition to semi autos. They authorized a 3rd generation pistol for years with good results until S&W discontinued that model. Then they switched to Sigmas in 40. The Sigma experience was apparently not what they expected and they switched to Glock. I still encounter their officers who are grandfathered to carry the Sigmas. Some carry guns that work. I've also seen some officers carrying Sigmas that needed some attention from an armorer, to say the least.
On the range, I am very surprised to see a Glock fail to function reliably. Still, they are mechanical devices and like any mechanical device, they can fail. I've also seen Sigs fail to function reliably when springs and other parts start to wear out or break. A Glock is down-right simple to fix in comparison with other pistols.
I recently purchased and M&P 45 and am thusfar very impressed. In my opinion, it is a better gun than the Sigma, and has some features I like over a Glock. The M&P will rightly give Glock some worthy competetion. I grew up on S&W revolvers and glad to see Smith producing a semi auto that is rock-solid quality and American made.
I saw my first Sigma when they were first introduced in 9mm and recall that I noted the similarity between them and Glocks. Later I heard that Glock had sued S&W for infringements, but I never heard what the official outcome was for that. My personal experience with the Sigma is limited to a few rounds here and there. About the time that the Sigma was acquiring a bad reputation, S&W's ownership at the time was getting in bed with the Clinton regime, which didn't go over very well with honest American gun owners.
A police department in my area, like many, were die-hard S&W throughout the transition to semi autos. They authorized a 3rd generation pistol for years with good results until S&W discontinued that model. Then they switched to Sigmas in 40. The Sigma experience was apparently not what they expected and they switched to Glock. I still encounter their officers who are grandfathered to carry the Sigmas. Some carry guns that work. I've also seen some officers carrying Sigmas that needed some attention from an armorer, to say the least.
On the range, I am very surprised to see a Glock fail to function reliably. Still, they are mechanical devices and like any mechanical device, they can fail. I've also seen Sigs fail to function reliably when springs and other parts start to wear out or break. A Glock is down-right simple to fix in comparison with other pistols.
I recently purchased and M&P 45 and am thusfar very impressed. In my opinion, it is a better gun than the Sigma, and has some features I like over a Glock. The M&P will rightly give Glock some worthy competetion. I grew up on S&W revolvers and glad to see Smith producing a semi auto that is rock-solid quality and American made.
Oldnoob
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It just seem like the trendy thing to do "bash the gun that cost less than mine".
I start my gun collection from the bottom of food chain, my first pistol was a Hi Point C9. You will not believe the bash I got when I told my gun friends. But I did do my research before I spend my hard earn money. And you know what, I did not regret a bit buying that C9, for the price, I got a decent reliable handgun that shoot decent group. I eventually leave everything it could teach me about it and move up to a Glock. But the bash continue, for it's not a HK, it's not a Sig...etc. Well, now I do own Sig 226, HK USPf, guess what? I'm still getting bash for not owning 1911. I figure even if I start with 1911 collection it will never end, there will always be the more expensive more customized gun out there.
I start my gun collection from the bottom of food chain, my first pistol was a Hi Point C9. You will not believe the bash I got when I told my gun friends. But I did do my research before I spend my hard earn money. And you know what, I did not regret a bit buying that C9, for the price, I got a decent reliable handgun that shoot decent group. I eventually leave everything it could teach me about it and move up to a Glock. But the bash continue, for it's not a HK, it's not a Sig...etc. Well, now I do own Sig 226, HK USPf, guess what? I'm still getting bash for not owning 1911. I figure even if I start with 1911 collection it will never end, there will always be the more expensive more customized gun out there.
