Sigma:What's the truth???

I've only fired one. At a public range, a younger fellow was having problems with one. My shooting buddy brought this guy to me. I cleared the gun and field striped it because they wanted to see that the barrel was clear. I put it back together. The guy wanted me to shoot it. Now, I had been shooting a G26 for about an hour, and when I pulled that sigma trigger.... I thought the gun was broken. It was not, it was a terrible trigger. My revolvers are lighter and smother than that sigma 9mm. I hope that guy just had a lemon.

When I took it down, I thought wow, I can get a Glock knock-off for cheap. After shooting one, I'll pass.
 
Have only shot one in .40, about the worse trigger on a auto I have ever shot. I would not buy one just because of the reputation and the resale value. Why not just spend a bit more money and buy a Glock, M&P, XD, etc? Can anyone name a worse auto loader from a major manufacture? Perhaps a P89? Just my opinion.
 
Titegroups said:
Have only shot one in .40, about the worse trigger on a auto I have ever shot. I would not buy one just because of the reputation and the resale value. Why not just spend a bit more money and buy a Glock, M&P, XD, etc? Can anyone name a worse auto loader from a major manufacture? Perhaps a P89? Just my opinion.
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Colt All American 2000 :eek:
 
Some of these Page 4 posts could not have proven my post on Page 1 of this thread any better if I scripted them myself. Ever pulled the trigger on a Sig P6? Like flipping a 12lb circuit breaker. Yet they seem to sell like hotcakes. Why? Because with a little trigger work they are a great gun and an excellent value, just like the SW9VE.

Can anyone name a worse auto loader from a major manufacture?
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Glock Gen4
 
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I picked up a Sigma a couple weeks ago. I really like it! I took it to the range and was breaking clay pigeons at 50 yards, of course it is a bit like horseshoes, a close miss will often throw up enough sand to break them :)
Today I picked up a M&P9C for a carry gun, it is just that much smaller than the Sigma and alot smaller than my Colt 1911's.
I was thinking of another full size 9mm and a friend recommended a full size M&P.
Anyhow I like the feel of the Sigma so much I was thinking of getting the all black S&W 9VE I will try them side by side for feel and I may decide to take the Sigma to Florida with me to my buddies who has the M&P full size and try them side by side.

So I have a delima, Sigma or M&P?

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I've put 325 rounds through my 9MM Sigma. No malfunctions yet. It has shoot everything I have fed it.
 
SW40VE - over 1000 rounds downrange, 0-stovepipes, 0-FTF,FTE.
Takes some skill to shoot paper with, but I can hit center mass anytime. I carry it almost everyday, condition one, never worry about an AD. IMO a great SD/HD gun, it fits my hand like a glove, feels right, dont have to fumble with levers or buttons, just pull it and fire.
What more do you want for $250 ?
 
Sorry mlk18, I didn't realize my post was a display of "Mass ignorance" you referred to earlier. I thought I was being kind when I said the Sigma I shot had a terrible trigger, and was perhaps a lemon. Trust me, when I shot the Sigma, I used much more colorful language to describe its performance.

Here is the truth about the Sigma...
You get what you pay for.
 
SW40VE. Guess I have a few hundred rounds through it (I don't keep track), no problems at all. IMO, whatever problems existed with the first sigmas, S&W solved them with the Enhanced series. They're not a target pistol, but they don't cost that much either. I think they're a good value.
 
I carry a Sigma. I will bet you your Buck knife and box of Skoal that Plaxico Burress didn't have a Sigma.

"...On Friday, November 28, 2008, Burress suffered an accidental self-inflicted gunshot wound to the right thigh in the New York City nightclub LQ when his Glock pistol, tucked in the waistband of his black jeans, began sliding down his leg; apparently in reaching for the gun he inadvertently depressed the trigger, causing the gun to fire..."
 
The truth is, the sigma is a fine pistol (now) that seems to put people off due to the heavy trigger pull.

There are alot of fine weapons that people talk trash on because of heavy triggers, (anyone ever fired a VP70 ? trigger pull like a staplegun). But for those of us that don't have the finger streangth of a arthritic, malnourished cancer patient, they are fine.

If you can't shoot a sigma well, then thats fine; but calling it a piece of junk because your weak fingers can't handle the trigger and your weak wrists can't keep the gun steady while pulling said trigger then thats not the fault of the gun.
 
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WildCard ZX6R said:
The truth is, the sigma is a fine pistol (now) that seems to put people off due to the heavy trigger pull.

There are alot of fine weapons that people talk trash on because of heavy triggers, (anyone ever fired a VP70 ? trigger pull like a staplegun). But for those of us that don't have the finger streangth of a arthritic, malnourished cancer patient, they are fine.

If you can't shoot a sigma well, then thats fine; but calling it a piece of junk because your weak fingers can't handle the trigger and your weak wrists can't keep the gun steady while pulling said trigger then thats not the fault of the gun.
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LMAO. but truer words have never been spoken:p:p
 
Psychology 101.

Just to keep it simple; there are those with a vested interest in keeping the sigma down. The good news is, it also keeps the price down for those who choose to buy one.

I pay no attention to gun bashers whatsoever! They have a better TV, truck and house than I do, too.

Lee
 
Good Morning,
Thanks for commenting. Let's get past the heavy trigger and stick to reliability and real experience. I see several names on other forums of people who own Sigma and put many rounds thru with no problems. I am liking this gun more and more. Took the wife to the range yesterday. She has been a Model 65 shooter (K frame revolver) and after 2 mags said, "I'll take it" (she's a quality nut who can't resist a sale!). Looks like we are in for "his and hers"!
PS: I have been carrying concealed in Glock belt slide combat holster and works fine. Make sure it is one of the new ones that fits the large and small frame Glocks ($20??)
 
I bought one of the Sigma 40's in the mid 1990's. believe it was an F model but not for sure on that?

I owned it but briefly.....as the gun wasn't servicable! I wanted a light-weight .40 service sidearm that wasn't a Glock, and bought the S&W Sigma 40 with a police discount....it was about $120 cheaper than a Glock. Also about $250 too much.......Trigger was tough to begin with, then got worse and worse until the gun wouldn't shoot at all!!! The Sigma lasted about 300-400 shots and died.

A couple calls to S&W customer service, and the gun was off to the repair center for a month. Came back working again, but soon the trigger got worse yet again. I had completely lost faith in it already....not something I wanted strapped to myself as a duty arm. I peddeled it at the next convenient gunshow while it was still working.

The redesigned later model Sigmas seem to enjoy a decent reputation, however my experiences with a 1990's Sigma would force me to rank the pistol right up there with with Lorcin.....or Bryco....

I'm not knocking the Sigma pistols they are making now. S&W about has to have the issues worked out to keep the pistol on the market. The early Sigma pistols however, seem to have set the Sigma pistol series reputation.....and at least part of that horrible reputation is based on broken/defective guns!
 
You get what you pay for.
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When Glock's were $375 NIB you got what you paid for, now you are paying for marketing and supply v. demand associated profit. At sub-$350 for a SW9VE you are also getting what you pay for, you're just not lining someone else's pocket with an inflated price tag. The price of a gun and the value of a gun are two very different unrelated concepts. Either way when I win the big lottery I will just have Novak make me a matched set of custom High Powers and then give away my SW9E to a needy soul. On second thought a great deal is a great deal, ultra-rich or not.

calling it a piece of junk because your weak fingers can't handle the trigger and your weak wrists can't keep the gun steady while pulling said trigger then thats not the fault of the gun
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Awesome. Maybe Smith & Wesson should include a free hand exerciser with every SW9VE.

Your comment reminded me that when I was in the police academy the instructor brought out a Ruger P94 that he intentionally made the trigger long and HEAVY, something like 14lbs. He said he started every range session with 2-3 mags full through the P94. When he switched back to his duty gun (Sig P226), he said it was like shooting a competition gun.
 
I recently traded my Sigma 40VE for a Glock 27. The only problem I ever had from the Sigma was accuracy. After buying a Glock 22, I was comparing the 2 and noticed the Glock barrel had absolutely no movement when in battery but the Sigma could be moved side to side. I say to myself, this is why I can't hit within 6 inches at 15 ft at all. Other than the accuracy, I had no problems at all with the Sigma. No ftf, fte. I have no problem recommending a Sigma to anyone for defensive purposes but I wanted a little more accuracy. I could also afford a little more too.
 
Sigma Truth questions...

How is the trigger with gloves on? It looks a little close for gloves.

Can you get a .357 sig barrel for the .40 S&W model?

If you had it done, what was the cost for a pro to do the trigger work?
 
Just got back from the range with my new Sigma and new M&P9C

The 9c has a light trigger but it was scattering shots, the felt recoil was about the same.

I am not a great shot but I have fun.

The top target is the Sigma the bottom the M&P9c


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Hi guys,
Let's not relive the 90's when we all had mullet haircuts (or hair) and handlebar mustaches. The early Berretta's had cracked slides and the early CZ 75's had cracked frames. The early Glocks were suspected of slam fires as I recall and no one liked the magazines that failed to drop. And let's not even get in to all of the issues with the 80 Series Colts! ha! ha! I have put a thousand rounds thru mine and it still bangs cases off my face and locks up funny. The Pythons are "delicate" and the K Frames couldn't take the hot stuff. The new PD J Frames can't either. Maybe we'd all be better off just reverting back to a Model 28 and call it a day. (Oh, the hip pain!) (One Adam 12, see the man...)
 
How is the trigger with gloves on? It looks a little close for gloves.
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Depends on the gloves, I can get a finger in the trigger guard with my duty gloves (Franklin Uniforce) but not with my cold-weather gloves.
 
I love mine so far. I finally went to the range yesterday after having it for 2 weeks. Put the Hogue grip on also. No failures of any kind. The trigger took a few shots to get used to, but I think after a couple more trips to the range I will shoot it pretty well. I put about 184 rounds through it yesterday.
 
Hey what is wrong with Colt Model 80's I have 2, but in Massachusetts with our stupid gun laws you cannot buy new Colts and ones made before 1998 have to have been owned in Mass in order to be sold by an FFL.
Smiths were all owned here when they were made which helps because I am a Smith nut
 
When SIGMA was first introduced, there were some issues, as there are with any new model. "Gun show experts" and "Gun shop warriors" for the most part haven't a clue, they repeat what they heard because they do no research on their own, they neither read books nor subscribe to gun magazines. They are not to be trusted.

The SIGMA works, the molds and tooling are paid for, and it is an excellent firearm (assuming you like a semi-auto that was designed to have the trigger action of a double action revolver in DA mode for each shot - this the SIGMA does quite well).

As long as you do not fool yourself by trying to make it into something it is not (short, light trigger or match accuracy), you will be happy.

Good choice. Be sure to buy a dozen or so magazines while you can! And get a spare pistol, as Col. Evan Quiros did with his Model 29, just in case the first one breaks, as fixing it is as quick as a next day air road trip to the factory, on their dime, parts replacement, and return back by second day air.

Congratulations on an excellent purchase.
 
shawn mccarver said:
When SIGMA was first introduced, there were some issues, as there are with any new model. "Gun show experts" and "Gun shop warriors" for the most part haven't a clue, they repeat what they heard because they do no research on their own, they neither read books nor subscribe to gun magazines. They are not to be trusted.

The SIGMA works, the molds and tooling are paid for, and it is an excellent firearm (assuming you like a semi-auto that was designed to have the trigger action of a double action revolver in DA mode for each shot - this the SIGMA does quite well).

As long as you do not fool yourself by trying to make it into something it is not (short, light trigger or match accuracy), you will be happy.

Good choice. Be sure to buy a dozen or so magazines while you can! And get a spare pistol, as Col. Evan Quiros did with his Model 29, just in case the first one breaks, as fixing it is as quick as a next day air road trip to the factory, on their dime, parts replacement, and return back by second day air.

Congratulations on an excellent purchase.
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Exactly, that is why I bought my Sigma. I am used to a double action trigger like my revolvers. The Sigma is the best choice for me. I don't like hair triggers. I would rather have a longer more controlled trigger than a trigger that if I hipcup the gun goes off. It boils down to what people are use to and like.
Regards,
roaddog28
 
roaddog28, I agree, I have a 1873 lever gun and a couple pistols that are so sensitive that you fire it without meaning to. I have been lucky that I always keep the weapon pointed down range and also not up in the air, I would hate to launch one over the backstop.
 
Picked up a 9mm last spring. No problems. I like it and I still like my Glock 19 and my model 915. The Sigma goes bang when it should and handles really nice. I'll keep it.
 
I was a total newbie to pistols when I saw the Sale at a local outfitter. I went down to the range and rented one. I had no formed opinon on trigger pull. In that session I fell in love with the gun, and my girl friend asked me how it felt, I said "awesome" and she said "Well Happy Birthday!"

Since then, at about 250 rounds I had several FTF, most have been sorted out by grip and positioning or ammo?

Currently the slide does not lock back in the open position at after the last round. (Search for details)

It is going back to S&W this week.

1) gift
2) bout 600 rounds though
3) newbie

I don't think my issues are the result of a bad product (YET). If this was a $500 Gun I would be pissed. Its not. Trigger is a total non-issue.

My $00.02

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