So Much Negativity

I hear you, if you are not happy with the new era guns dont buy em then you wont have to complain about em.The new smiths I own are awesome , they are more durable just as accurate and made to tighter tolerances then my older smiths. Sure I dont like the lock but I have a new 617 with a small fortune of ammo through,I have a new 629 with about 6000 rounds through it I havnt had any trouble.....zero. I will continue to buy and shoot the new smiths has a matter of fact I have one on order now and I cant wait for it to get here ..... thanks
 
Model520Fan said:
I'm sure your post was in jest, but I take it very seriously. One of my wife's and my favorite easy-to-fix foods is frozen whole okra, nuked in the microwave and seasoned with salt, pepper and olive oil. I'm sure that y'all C-A purists would consider that heresy, but we actually like it, so don't be badmouthin' no frozen foods.
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Boiled okra is like having snot slide down your throat...now, fried okra is a fine thing. :p

See, if we can disagree over something as minor as okra, why would we ever expect to agree over something as profoundly important as our firearms?
 
I just think the people in the forum are getting older and crankier...

mmmmm...fried okra, wait a minute- corn meal or flour?
 
Swanson frozen dinners, now that's living!

Throw in some lime Jell-O and bulk sack vanilla wafers and lumpy buttermilk.

I'm too broken up to go on.
 
dkees said:
Swanson frozen dinners, now that's living!

Throw in some lime Jell-O and bulk sack vanilla wafers and lumpy buttermilk.

I'm too broken up to go on.
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I'll take the Swanson/ salisbury steak please.. yuk, pass on the lumpy buttermilk.

Ok guys, sorry, musta been cabin fever yesterday.. I didn't realize that keyboard could fit so far into my mouth.. my back end is pretty sore from it pushing it's way out this morning.. :)
 
I feel let down by the frozen food industry. They have failed to provide for everyone's needs. Do you realize that there is no widely available commercial frozen gumbo? None. Not even Mrs. Pauls. The frozen food industry in general is a big disappointment. The canned and plastic packed food industry seems much better in this regard.
 
GKC said:
Boiled okra is like having snot slide down your throat...now, fried okra is a fine thing. :p

See, if we can disagree over something as minor as okra, why would we ever expect to agree over something as profoundly important as our firearms?
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Your logic is almost perfect, except that okra IS essentially vegetable snot, so we don't really disagree. It is an acquired taste, like fresh armadillo toes on toast. Uncooked.
 
rburg said:
Hold on just a second here. This is a negative post! And the OP has only been here a month.

We freely air gripes on this forum. Its a healthy thing to do. Posters here often do have legitimate things they want to discuss, and we normally don't have any wet blankets putting the Kibosh on those discussions, nor should we.
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Dick, I agree with you completely.
 
Model520Fan said:
Your logic is almost perfect, except that okra IS essentially vegetable snot, so we don't really disagree.
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I love fried okra. I enjoy dried okra as well, though its rehydration in the mouth is strange at first. It is deceptively easy to eat in great quantities, which only leads to a mass exodus in the GI tract.
 
I surely agree with the OP. I rejoined here a while back and thought that most of the elbows were gone but now there's a whole new crop. I'm talking about about people so arrogant that anyone disagreeing with them is subject to being ridiculed. A couple of them have posted in this thread.

What this does, is cause new members to either drop out or not post opinions and soon lose interest. A year ago this forum was my first stop on the net; but not today. I still enjoy reading posts from some of the fine individuals who always seem to have something positive to say or even a positive and encouraging way to disagree with others. They have taught me a lot ---- and not just about handguns.
 
Larry from Bend said:
I surely agree with the OP. I rejoined here a while back and thought that most of the elbows were gone but now there's a whole new crop. I'm talking about about people so arrogant that anyone disagreeing with them is subject to being ridiculed. A couple of them have posted in this thread.

What this does, is cause new members to either drop out or not post opinions and soon lose interest. A year ago this forum was my first stop on the net; but not today. I still enjoy reading posts from some of the fine individuals who always seem to have something positive to say or even a positive and encouraging way to disagree with others. They have taught me a lot ---- and not just about handguns.
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I agree with this 100%, some of them have low count on post (which means they don't like to get along with others) and have been member since the first day of the forum and only post when they can stir the pot and make others as un-happy as they are about life. One bad apple in a peck will sour the others as they say :D . Just over look them and they will go away till the next time :D . With five pages they have been fed real good.
 
Don't worry, be happy. Some of us, myself included, just like to argue. I think it's healthy. Especially, since no one on the forum is likely to look me up and kick my butt. Just remember that no matter how cranky some of us may seem in a forum, we'd be a lot nicer in person. Plus we're not nearly as neanderthal as we may seem, or we wouldn't be online.
 
Frozen dinners? Heck I had one a few nights ago....

I took out a dozen pierogies from the batch I have frozen from Christmas. Real, homemade ones... not those things you buy in the supermarket.

Oh.. you'll also find that threads have a tendency to get off topic.
 
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fyimo said:
Dick, I agree with you completely.
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I disagree with both of you guys! (Not really... :D )

I am not going to get into the drunkenness stuff, the frozen food, or even complain about the complaining. I will say this - some of the stuff S&W makes now I would love to have had when I was thirty years younger. Can I whine about being too old - or feeling like I am? :o
 
People are cranky because they're tired of seeing guns that were $150 10 years ago selling for $700 on GunBroker:rolleyes:
 
For the most part, Forum members LOVE their S&Ws. Most of us old pistoleros HATE the lock. Most of us prefer older to newer, as quality has decreased over time (like all other mass produced items). There was a time when Colt made the finest DA revolver in the country, the Python. Colt no longer makes DA revolvers. IMHO, S&W now makes the finest DA revolvers. They are followed by Ruger, and trailed FAR behind by Taurus. Can you have a problem with a S&W ? ? ABSOLUTELY ! ! Will it be remedied by the factory to your satisfaction? In the VAST majority of instances, YES ! ! Of course there are exceptions, and these lead to most of the "complaints" you read here. Members come here to vent, seek solace and guidance, and sometimes to RAVE about their S&Ws. It's like this on every forum. Forums devoted to the lower quality weapons have more negative posts. Don't get discouraged. This is a fine forum, loaded with knowledgeable and helpful people. I've been shooting over 50 yrs, and I learn something new every time I visit. After a while, you'll sort out which members have valuable input, and who the few chronic cry babies are.....
 
Perhaps morale is down since S&W:

-Doesn't have their own gunsmith's assemble the guns. An outside gunsmith is brought in and paid "per gun" they build. So the more they build in less time the more $$ they get. Quality goes to hell.

-Customer service reps just say whatever appeases the caller whether they know what they are talking about or not.

-S&W replacing PC parts (forged) with MIM parts. I was fortunate that my request for a full refund suddenly made them find a forged hammer/trigger lying around.

-They still make the best revolver but making more money has put quality/integrity in the back seat.
 
donvieira said:
Perhaps morale is down since S&W:

-Doesn't have their own gunsmith's assemble the guns. An outside gunsmith is brought in and paid "per gun" they build. So the more they build in less time the more $$ they get. Quality goes to hell.

-Customer service reps just say whatever appeases the caller whether they know what they are talking about or not.

-S&W replacing PC parts (forged) with MIM parts. I was fortunate that my request for a full refund suddenly made them find a forged hammer/trigger lying around.

-They still make the best revolver but making more money has put quality/integrity in the back seat.
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Naaaa, I can tell you first hand Morale is up at S&W

I've spoken with a few of their gunsmiths in person, never saw anything like what you described about not having any, could swear he said he worked for Smith & Wesson.. :)

Customer service reps are pretty darn good, sometimes one will mess up, but then when they have to deal with the occassional moron or free-loader, they get painted into a corner.. :)

Glad to hear you were so well taken care of, with them finding a forged hammer for you, sounds like you really intimidated them.

Also nice to see you realize they do build a nice gun, I've found them to put quality and integrity right up front, but that's just my experience.
 
donvieira said:
Perhaps morale is down since S&W:

-Doesn't have their own gunsmith's assemble the guns. An outside gunsmith is brought in and paid "per gun" they build. So the more they build in less time the more $$ they get. Quality goes to hell.
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donviera, how do you know this for a fact, may I ask ? ? I find this to be
VERY DISTURBING............
 
My gunsmith stated they are not "actual" S&W employees. Perhaps I misunderstood him. They are paid per gun, not an hourly wage. That would explain the many (for an S&W) small issues with a factory gun.

-My gunsmith said though they are stil the best revolvers you can buy and I agree, but these companies have really compromised quality over true S&W quality that we used to see.

-S&W is the only revolver I have ever bought (total of 3) but I had them all tuned/timing checked before I even shot them.
 
donvieira said:
My gunsmith stated they are not "actual" S&W employees. Perhaps I misunderstood him. They are paid per gun, not an hourly wage. That would explain the many (for an S&W) small issues with a factory gun.

-My gunsmith said though they are stil the best revolvers you can buy and I agree, but these companies have really compromised quality over true S&W quality that we used to see.

-S&W is the only revolver I have ever bought (total of 3) but I had them all tuned/timing checked before I even shot them.
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Now that I read this, it seems you really do have a great gunsmith. You can always tell the great ones.. they're the ones that pick themselves up on the pedestal by knocking someone off..... verbally. Just doing good work is not enough... :(
 
turbo38gn said:
Now that I read this, it seems you really do have a great gunsmith. You can always tell the great ones.. they're the ones that pick themselves up on the pedestal by knocking someone off..... verbally. Just doing good work is not enough... :(
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OK enough thread drift-let's get back to the topic at hand.........Okra.
Fried with corn meal is fine and I love it like I love fried catfish. But don't turn up yer nose as smothered okra with tomaters and ham chunks-and hell, throw in a little corn too. :)
 
CAJUNLAWYER said:
OK enough thread drift-let's get back to the topic at hand.........Okra.
Fried with corn meal is fine and I love it like I love fried catfish. But don't turn up yer nose as smothered okra with tomaters and ham chunks-and hell, throw in a little corn too. :)
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Ya I agree.... Mathew.. hey, is that your date of birth... under your name..
 
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