So what are folks in New York State to do with their guns?

[Rule3]

I know there has been threads and discussions but I am still confused with the new regulations/Laws shoved down on New York.

Are guns they own now with the dreaded high capacity magazines grandfathered in? Must they register these guns? What about the evil guns that have a flash hider or a a pistol grip can they be kept. All I remember reading was some lame thing that they had a certain time frame to register guns with the State Police and to sell magazines outside the State?? When does the & round thing apply??

If this is all in some thread I can't find please post a link.

 

[Jyezahn]

They are hereby ordered to ship them directly to me for final disposition.

 

[ladder13]

What guns?

 

[Hillbilly77]

If (and I stress IF, because nobody I know has any) you have what they arbitrarily define as an "assault weapon" you are to register it with the state. This will help protect us.
If (there's that IF word again) you have any "high capacity" magazines, you have 1 (one) year to turn it in, sell it out of state, or permanently alter its capacity. Pre 1994 bans used to be ok. Now they are not. Any post 1994 ban magazine with a capacity of no more than 10 rounds is still ok, but we are now on the honor system and are only "allowed" to put 7 rounds into our 10 round mags. This also will help protect us.

These new "adjustments" to the Second Amendment are not to rape the rights of us law-abiders. No, no, no. These new gun-laws are to prevent criminals from obtaining firearms illegally.

No word yet on how 7 rounds in my 10 round magazine will stop a crazed meth-head from stealing a gun. I am still awaiting an explanation here. Perhaps the meth-head won't want my gun because it doesn't have 10 rounds in it, so it won't be worth his time.

 

[OLDFED]

Serious!

I take Rule 3's question as a very serious one. The manner in which NY gun owners handle this issue will dictate the future of the rest of the country. I have to believe that if the new law "succeeds" in the courts, that we're all doomed. One solution, no doubt in the works, is a stay until the matter can be tested legally. A second solution is a peaceful non-compliance in which no one does anything to abide by the draconian law. Another is to put a bill up for referendum in a special election and see what the result is. That course will be a problem because of the City folk who can't own guns anyway. I've already decided that "my" Bill of Rights stands and I will not comply with any law that comes my way if it resembles this NY stupidity. The People need to speak and get the Sheeple in line. I'm sure some good lawyers are working on this issue, but if not they should be. If not the NRA, then a NY gun group could fund something. In my 72 years, I've never seen such a gross and overbearing effort to deprive good citizens for the actions of a few. I hope that no one will blow this off because it's not in your state. This is a national issue that we all need to pay attention to. Those few in government who propose and pass such laws need to remember who they work for by reading and absorbing the Constitution.

 

[mikepriwer]

Well, they probably won't be so anxious to enforce it here in Oregon . And probably
neighboring Washington and Idaho, for all that matters. Particularly Idaho, after listening
to the Boise Chief of Police speaking at the S&WCA meeting this summer.

Mike Priwer

 

[Pete99004]

I take Rule 3's question as a very serious one. The manner in which NY gun owners handle this issue will dictate the future of the rest of the country. I have to believe that if the new law "succeeds" in the courts, that we're all doomed. One solution, no doubt in the works, is a stay until the matter can be tested legally. A second solution is a peaceful non-compliance in which no one does anything to abide by the draconian law. Another is to put a bill up for referendum in a special election and see what the result is. That course will be a problem because of the City folk who can't own guns anyway. I've already decided that "my" Bill of Rights stands and I will not comply with any law that comes my way if it resembles this NY stupidity. The People need to speak and get the Sheeple in line. I'm sure some good lawyers are working on this issue, but if not they should be. If not the NRA, then a NY gun group could fund something. In my 72 years, I've never seen such a gross and overbearing effort to deprive good citizens for the actions of a few. I hope that no one will blow this off because it's not in your state. This is a national issue that we all need to pay attention to. Those few in government who propose and pass such laws need to remember who they work for by reading and absorbing the Constitution.

Excellent post. I might offer that the fine folks in NY State need to find out who these smart lawyers are that are working on it - and also if there is anything you or we can do to help them get this turned around. We will support you if possible! Please keep us all informed!

Pete

 

[Class III]

What guns?

Mike sold all of his to me for a sawbuck and he was even nice enough to pay the shipping and transfer fees. Although the transfer fees were a sticking point until I threatened to send a box of "Crunchies" his way.

I promised him that he could have unsupervised visitation rights anytime he wants.

Class III

 

[bushmaster1313]

No word yet on how 7 rounds in my 10 round magazine will stop a crazed meth-head from stealing a gun. I am still awaiting an explanation here.

I am shocked by the number of otherwise intelligent people who refuse to see the logic in banning rounds 8 to 10 from grandfathered 10 round magazines.

Clearly, if you are only allowed to keep 7 rounds in a 10 round magazine, it is obvious that you have to pull the trigger 3 times on empty rounds before you can get to a live round. This gives the people cowering under their desks time to grab sharpened pencils and paperweights that can be used to overpower the active shooter.

 

[kozmic]

Our governor has publicly stated that NY will be the "most progressive state in the union". I believe this tack is so he can run to the left of Hillary in 2016 and appeal to the Obama crowd. He's a full blown narcissus like his dad and frankly, our president and a great many of our leaders. If he somehow make it to the oval office all bets are off on 2A. He will take it to the next level or commit political suicide trying. He, like Obama, is very happy to take baby steps.

All of the NY SAFE Act was driven not by statistical data or a deep desire to protect the citizens of New York but his progressive ideological agenda. He has the support of the downstate leadership and voting block.

In addition to what Hillbilly stated, Legal NY CC permit holders now have to "reapply"/"renew" every 5 years. The old terms were "until revoked".
There are other provisions, regulations and restrictions but these are the highlights.

Some of the biggest blow back (other than the CC, and 2A folks) has come from the county leaders as many of the provisions in his law are unfunded and are expected to be absorbed at the county level. The county execs have basically told him "no way".

 

[BobC357]

Since they don't know if I own any they wouldn't know if I should register what they don't know about.

You have the RIGHT to Remain Silent! Anything you say can and WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU!!!!

That includes anything: Registrations, Background Checks ... Anything gun related.

Thank you but, I like our Consitution just the way it is.

 

[MagnumForce44]

I hope local law enforcement grows a set and takes a stand for themselves and the rest of their law abiding neighbors and simply state that they will not enforce any such laws in that state and stick it to the idiot governor and his cronies.

 

[kozmic]

I am shocked by the number of otherwise intelligent people who refuse to see the logic in banning rounds 8 to 10 from grandfathered 10 round magazines.

Clearly, if you are only allowed to keep 7 rounds in a 10 round magazine, it is obvious that you have to pull the trigger 3 times on empty rounds before you can get to a live round. This gives the people cowering under their desks time to grab sharpened pencils and paperweights that can be used to overpower the active shooter.

Um, I'm confused. When I put 7 rounds in a 10 round mag I get 7 "bangs" before I get any "clicks"! No snap caps or anything like that required so just a partially filled magazine.

More like, the reason this was done was to (a) get rid of any pre-ban, high-cap stuff which annoy the left to no end (b) because it totally screws with gun owners and gun/mag manufacturers (c) because it was a total power grab to prove he's worthy for the White House and push his gun-hater agenda and (d) to force the spineless legislators in NY to vote along with him or suffer his wrath.

Just my opinion anyway.

 

[shotguntom]

I live Down state on Long Island, and let me tell you, there are thousands of firearm folks who are disgusted by this garbage legislation. We are as committed as the upstate folks when it comes to reversing this nonsense. Nassau and Suffolk counties are more liberal than I can digest, but those of us who believe in the 2nd amendment are fighting this battle tooth and nail. I believe if we keep the pressure on, good results will follow.
Massive non compliance is a viable option, should we lose this battle legally.
TJ

 

[charlie sherrill]

Too bad the NY gov doesn't listen to what the rest of the country feels about 2A. He blew any chance he may have had for a 2016 nomination. He and any possible donors would do well to save their money. We need to find a way to end the domination of the highly populated metropolitan areas and their hordes of uninformed voters over the rest of the country. It looks like all the states with largely populated cities have this problem and it's starting to affect the rest of the country even more than it has in the past.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Massive non compliance is a viable option, should we lose this battle legally.

I do not think non-compliance is a wise move.
Anyone caught and prosecuted would be in for a world of hurt, including what could be a permanent loss of all 2nd Amendment rights, even if you move to another State.

 

[Rule3]

I do not think non-compliance is a wise move.
Anyone caught and prosecuted would be in for a world of hurt, including what could be a permanent loss of all 2nd Amendment rights, even if you move to another State.

This what I was wondering. It sounds good/bold but in reality will people actually do it??

For example it is not legal here (and in most States to CC in a Federal Building or a Bar, Sports complex or School) do you run the risk of losing everything if caught just to make a stand??

Have they come up with the penalties for not registering "evil rifles" or keeping the high cap magazines??

 

[Bat Guano]

"Massive noncompliance" with stupidity and tyranny is precisely what is needed.

"Kneeling might be a problem."--Leonidas

 

[mc5aw]

I predict a dramatic increase in boating accidents as NYS Judgment Day approaches. Lake and river bottoms are going to be filled with all those firearms that went overboard.

 

[Hillbilly77]

I do not think non-compliance is a wise move.
Anyone caught and prosecuted would be in for a world of hurt, including what could be a permanent loss of all 2nd Amendment rights, even if you move to another State.

As opposed to what?
Compliance and a GUARANTEED loss of Second Amendment rights?! Because that's what I have read in this new law - my Second Amendment rights being stripped away.

Compliance, registration, and confiscation over my dead body.
I will not bow down before Führer Coumo nor will I kiss the ring.