michael1952
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pay 450.00 or so for a Taurus revolver and not pay a fair price for a S&W???? say 550.00-600.........i dont get it...guess they dont either
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Mickey D
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I guess the extra $100 is a lot of money to some folks.
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michael1952
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i guess and probably is for some
DeathGrip
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Some people are just cheap.
I ain't made of money but I'd rather save up and buy a less attractive used S&W than a shiney new Taurus.
I ain't made of money but I'd rather save up and buy a less attractive used S&W than a shiney new Taurus.
manyguns
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If you aren't a real gun person you won't know the difference in the store. If 2 boxes of shells is your annual output you may be able to maintain the illusion.
What gets me is when people spend good money on a handgun, carry it in a junk holster on a Walmart belt then complain about it.
I disagree completely with your premise. A well used S&W isn't less attractive than a Taurus. In fact, it is much more attractive.
LittleCooner
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I think this is the answer, they do not know the difference, they just think "its a gun and it will go bang". Probably never tried to shoot a group on paper with a handgun in their life and think all guns are created equal. Guy behind the counter just wants to make a sale.
Arik
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They don't know the difference. ..or....they assume it's just as good as
Actually, the older Taurus revolvers are well made. I've had one for about 35 years and beat the snot out of it. I purchased it to shoot rats and train my dogs using blanks. I have a number of Smiths, including a newer one, so I have something to compare it to. I don't know what the new Taurus is like however, they could be junk for all I know.
Smith's have gone downhill in quality since the 80's but I still think they are a pretty good product. They are made in America also so that alone would get my money.
Smith's have gone downhill in quality since the 80's but I still think they are a pretty good product. They are made in America also so that alone would get my money.
DeathGrip
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I disagree completely with your premise. A well used S&W isn't less attractive than a Taurus. In fact, it is much more attractive.
Well, If you're gonna put it that way.
I stand corrected.
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michael1952
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not bad mouthing Taurus at all ...just like he said as long as it goes bang and dont plan on shootin' 1000s of rounds, but you can find a nice smith of some kind for 450.00
mrrick
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Some people are "price" buyers and some people are "quality" buyers.
Ben_hutcherson
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I went through this about a year ago with a friend who wanted to buy a handgun(his first gun period)
He wanted a snub-nose revolver, but was dead-set on buying something new.
I took him to the range and let him shoot both my Detective's Special and my Chief's special. He was a natural with both, and was getting groups that many seasoned shooters would be proud of within a half an hour.
After shooting several guns at the range, he decided he preferred a "service size" revolver(he shot my DAO heavy barrel 64, as well as my 4" Trooper 357), which unfortunately is something that a lot of retailers don't stock new in anything but Taurus/Rossi and Rock Island. He dismissed a new GP-100 as it was too expensive, and he was pretty stuck at $500 or so max.
We were at Cabelas when he was shopping. I took him back into the Gun Library and had them pull a model 15(not sure of the dash number, but was not pinned) as well as a 4" 19-4 out of the case. The 15 was a little over $400, and the 19 about $550.
He was still dead-set on buying something new, however. It was at least looking at S&W snubs, although pretty much the only thing new in his ballpark were airweights. Since he had no immediate plans to CC and was looking at it primarily for home defense, I tried to suggest to him that this might not be the best choice.
The last I heard, he did indeed buy a Taurus. After shooting my guns(as well as another friends' guns who came along on the range trip) he was sold on the better quality of S&W and Colt(he shot everything from 1920s to 1990s production, as I don't currently have a newer S&W), but again refused to buy a used gun.
To each their own, but I can't help but think a used S&W would have been a better choice.
He wanted a snub-nose revolver, but was dead-set on buying something new.
I took him to the range and let him shoot both my Detective's Special and my Chief's special. He was a natural with both, and was getting groups that many seasoned shooters would be proud of within a half an hour.
After shooting several guns at the range, he decided he preferred a "service size" revolver(he shot my DAO heavy barrel 64, as well as my 4" Trooper 357), which unfortunately is something that a lot of retailers don't stock new in anything but Taurus/Rossi and Rock Island. He dismissed a new GP-100 as it was too expensive, and he was pretty stuck at $500 or so max.
We were at Cabelas when he was shopping. I took him back into the Gun Library and had them pull a model 15(not sure of the dash number, but was not pinned) as well as a 4" 19-4 out of the case. The 15 was a little over $400, and the 19 about $550.
He was still dead-set on buying something new, however. It was at least looking at S&W snubs, although pretty much the only thing new in his ballpark were airweights. Since he had no immediate plans to CC and was looking at it primarily for home defense, I tried to suggest to him that this might not be the best choice.
The last I heard, he did indeed buy a Taurus. After shooting my guns(as well as another friends' guns who came along on the range trip) he was sold on the better quality of S&W and Colt(he shot everything from 1920s to 1990s production, as I don't currently have a newer S&W), but again refused to buy a used gun.
To each their own, but I can't help but think a used S&W would have been a better choice.
Brian41
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I agree it's all about the money and many will buy what's cheapest. I've owned three Taurus revolvers but all were guns that S&W didn't make. I had good luck with them and own one .41 snub still.
What many don't know either when it's time to sell or trade a Taurus doesn't bring in a lot of money usually.
What many don't know either when it's time to sell or trade a Taurus doesn't bring in a lot of money usually.
Most of my shooter friends would not waste any amount of money on a Taurus. I do note that Taurus items spend much more time in the case that other companies in the many shops I frequent…
Case in point one big shop has had a .45 LG.Colt Taurus available for sale for over 15 months now.
Case in point one big shop has had a .45 LG.Colt Taurus available for sale for over 15 months now.
MOONDAWG
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I own a variety of different brands of firearms including selections from Taurus & Charter arms that no else makes a comparable product to.
I don't go along with gun snobbery nor bigotry towards folks either. If one doesn't like a particular brand, don't buy it; but by the same token don't belittle those who do.
I've had S&W's, Rugers & GLOCKs "break". Those I couldn't replace parts on were returned to the factory for repairs.
Anything manmade can and will break, if it were not so they'd be no Rolex or Rolls-Royce repair centers.
I don't go along with gun snobbery nor bigotry towards folks either. If one doesn't like a particular brand, don't buy it; but by the same token don't belittle those who do.
I've had S&W's, Rugers & GLOCKs "break". Those I couldn't replace parts on were returned to the factory for repairs.
Anything manmade can and will break, if it were not so they'd be no Rolex or Rolls-Royce repair centers.
muzzleblast
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S&W Coulda, Shoulda...
I've gotta agree with Moondawg and Brian41 on this. I have a lot of S&Ws, but these fill a niche for me:
K-frame sized, 5 shot, 45 Colt snubbie:
K-frame sized, 5 shot 44 Special snubbie:
Another K-frame sized, 5 shot 44 Special:
Looong barreled .218 Bee:
Heavy duty 454 Casull:
MB
I've gotta agree with Moondawg and Brian41 on this. I have a lot of S&Ws, but these fill a niche for me:
K-frame sized, 5 shot, 45 Colt snubbie:
K-frame sized, 5 shot 44 Special snubbie:
Another K-frame sized, 5 shot 44 Special:
Looong barreled .218 Bee:
Heavy duty 454 Casull:
MB
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I don't call it snobbery. I have what I think are very valid reasons for owning only S&W, Ruger, and Colt handguns.
I don't own Glocks because (1) I believe they are dangerous (2) I don't like polymer and (3) they are butt ugly.
I don't own Taurus because, compared to post-war through about 1980 S&Ws, the triggers are atrocious. From personal observation, they aren't nearly as well made as S&W revolvers of that vintage.
I don't buy new S&Ws because I like pinned barrels and I don't like the lock. The only exception is the NL442 I bought for my daughter. The only non-pinned Smith I own is a 651 .22 mag, and I don't believe they made that model in a pinned version. I made the decision several years back to not buy non-pinned Smiths not only because I believe the workmanship of that era is better, but also because it serves to limit the amount of money I spend.
All that said, I believe Taurus, Charter, High Point, etc. are very viable options for those on a tight budget, and truly can't afford the more expensive options.
There is nothing snobbish about any of this, is there? Opinionated and open to criticism, sure.
I don't own Glocks because (1) I believe they are dangerous (2) I don't like polymer and (3) they are butt ugly.
I don't own Taurus because, compared to post-war through about 1980 S&Ws, the triggers are atrocious. From personal observation, they aren't nearly as well made as S&W revolvers of that vintage.
I don't buy new S&Ws because I like pinned barrels and I don't like the lock. The only exception is the NL442 I bought for my daughter. The only non-pinned Smith I own is a 651 .22 mag, and I don't believe they made that model in a pinned version. I made the decision several years back to not buy non-pinned Smiths not only because I believe the workmanship of that era is better, but also because it serves to limit the amount of money I spend.
All that said, I believe Taurus, Charter, High Point, etc. are very viable options for those on a tight budget, and truly can't afford the more expensive options.
There is nothing snobbish about any of this, is there? Opinionated and open to criticism, sure.
MOONDAWG
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No, that's not snobbish, but if one were to insinuate that only poor people or people with poor taste would buy one of those brands that would be.
I bought a 2 1/2" barreled six shot 9mm Charter Arms Pitbull because it's patented extractor star allows use of 9mm ammo without the use of moonclips and weighs in at 21 oz's.
I'd rather have had the discontinued 3" 9mm S&W 547 that started this all, but they are darn near impossible to locate; and when you do they demand scalpers prices.
I bought a 2 1/2" barreled six shot 9mm Charter Arms Pitbull because it's patented extractor star allows use of 9mm ammo without the use of moonclips and weighs in at 21 oz's.
I'd rather have had the discontinued 3" 9mm S&W 547 that started this all, but they are darn near impossible to locate; and when you do they demand scalpers prices.
kozmic
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I partly blame unqualified big box gun department salespeople. It's ok to sell folks on price point if that is their biggest criteria. But, the kids selling them don't have enough product knowledge to know the difference in quality, resale or dependability. To them a sale is a sale and it means a few bucks in their pocket.
Cauz of Jesse Duff?????????
MOONDAWG
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Winner of dozens of national championships with that ole ratty Taurus 1911 she carries...
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a few extra bucks
I am not rich either but I have a few handguns that I have owned for 30 years so an extra 100 dollars over 30 years isn't going to break anyone
I am not rich either but I have a few handguns that I have owned for 30 years so an extra 100 dollars over 30 years isn't going to break anyone
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Its simple in my case.If I have a stash of money to spend? ill buy something better,if not and I still NEED another gun--I buy what I figure I can afford at the moment. Right now--im in the latter of the above. This year--I want--at least three more guns. They are: ATI--MP-fourty twenty two cal. clone, a Henry lever action in fourty five or three fifty seven cal. and a Luger.--with the possibility of another Heritage arms Rough rider. With the upcoming surgeries_--I doubt ill be able to get more than one or two--and the cheaper ones--unless im lucky.
I own Smith, Ruger, Taurus and Bersa pistols.
All are fine shooters but the one that is the most fun is my PT 1911.
I guess it's because I make my pop-tarts with the microwave door open.
All are fine shooters but the one that is the most fun is my PT 1911.
I guess it's because I make my pop-tarts with the microwave door open.
finesse_r
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Since Taurus revolvers are all made in Brazil, South America it must be their sacrifice in efforts to build a global multi-cultural world, where all economies are equal to or superior to the economy of the USA. It certainly is not because of the quality of the Taurus revolvers that I have encountered over the years.
Worse yet, they can often get a quality lightly used S&W for the same price or less than a cheaply made new Taurus.
Some folks just like the shinny newness of things rather than the quality and reliability of things.
Other than my Model 66 snubby my favorite shooter right now is a Taurus 4" Tracker. Might have something to due with the flare coming out of the ports when I shoot .357s. But remember, pawnshop business, I don't have a lot $$ in it. Would I ever buy one new or used at retail? No.
Would I recommend it to anyone? Sure, when I'm ready to sell it at a reasonable price.
Would I recommend it to anyone? Sure, when I'm ready to sell it at a reasonable price.
Agreed. I had Taurus .38 revolver back in '82 but I traded it for a SS prop for my boat. I don't know the model but It was extremely well made and shot like a dream. I wish I had it back.
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