Starting Monday, Costco will require customers to wear masks!UPDATE # 81

I haven't worn one yet, and doubt I ever will. I went to my favorite semi-rural Wal Mart today and there was a sign saying customers had to wear masks in "accordance with local and state ordinances". I didn't have a criminal code book on me, so I just left and went to King Soopers. It looked like a one size fits all sign provided by corporate Wally World. Their store, their rules.

I think the tide is turning back, anyway. Last week I was one of the 10 percent in the store not virtue signaling with a home-made mask. It was to the point the other non-maskers were giving me the nod. Today it was at least a third no-maskers. The virtue signalers may have been scowling at me, but its hard to tell with a Scooby Doo bandana pulled up to their eyes.

I saw a post comparing wearing a mask to the sacrifices made by the greatest generation. My Dad and Uncles fought in WW2 and I guarantee none of those cantankerous old boys would wear a mask because County Commissioner Edna Shmidlap said they had to. Patton maybe. Edna, no.

This idiocy will all be over soon.
 
I wonder what the guy who wrote this would think of current affairs, and what this country has devolved into. Hard to imagine that this was written by a liberal New Yorker.

"I do not choose to be a common man. It is my right to be uncommon. I seek to develop whatever talents God gave me—not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any earthly master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act myself, enjoy the benefit of my creations and to face the world boldly and say – 'This, with God's help, I have done.' All this is what it means to be an American."
 
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sigp220.45 said:
I haven't worn one yet, and doubt I ever will. I went to my favorite semi-rural Wal Mart today and there was a sign saying customers had to wear masks in "accordance with local and state ordinances". I didn't have a criminal code book on me, so I just left and went to King Soopers. It looked like a one size fits all sign provided by corporate Wally World. Their store, their rules.

I think the tide is turning back, anyway. Last week I was one of the 10 percent in the store not virtue signaling with a home-made mask. It was to the point the other non-maskers were giving me the nod. Today it was at least a third no-maskers. The virtue signalers may have been scowling at me, but its hard to tell with a Scooby Doo bandana pulled up to their eyes.

I saw a post comparing wearing a mask to the sacrifices made by the greatest generation. My Dad and Uncles fought in WW2 and I guarantee none of those cantankerous old boys would wear a mask because County Commissioner Edna Shmidlap said they had to. Patton maybe. Edna, no.

This idiocy will all be over soon.
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In any organized society, there are rules in place to protect the public health and welfare. Traffic laws, fire prevention and building codes, health department regulations...all infringe to some degree on our freedom, but I don't think we'd want them repealed.

All sorts of professionals -- doctors, immunologists, public health officials -- all across the spectrum, in and out of government, have recommended wearing masks as part of the measures needed to stem the spread of this virus. The mask is not intended to protect you from the virus; it's intended to protect other people from your exhaled or expelled breath. The folks recommending this are subject matter experts in this field, and they have no ulterior motive, no apparent axe to grind, other than their concern for public health.

With that being said, I have to respectfully ask: What is it about wearing a mask, to protect others, that you find so objectionable? Why is this "idiocy"? I really don't get it...please help me to understand. Thank you.
 
As long as masks are mandated there will prolonged gov interference due to political agenda. In s Indiana there is no pandemic and there hasn't been. No worse than a moderate flu season. Forcing me to wear a mask over irrational fear from misinformed virtual signaling just rubs me wrong. I'm not going to be a willing pawn. If you are at risk, protect yourself. Personal responsibility, common sense and turning off hysterical talking heads is the way to shut this virus down.
 
All the restrictions coming from this that are both government rules or rules from private companies are changing people's buying habits.
I do not think it is because highly principled folks are making statement, but rather that they do not view the impositions being
asked of them are worth their time or inconvenience.
Case in point. Home Depot here is limiting the number of customers in their stores. Lines are formed all day long and the wait can be anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour. I sat in the parking lot trying to decide if I wanted to bother with the line and the wait and observed a large number of vehicles come in, drive past the line, take a look and leave.
I decided what I wanted to buy was not worth the wait. Went down the road about a 1/4 mile to the Lowe's store. No restrictions, no lines and no requirements. Parking lot jam packed, vehicles circling the lot looking for a spot to park. I parked my truck, went in and found what I had intended to buy from HD and went home.
Went to the local hippie Co-op for some supplements today. Sign says "mask required". Did not irritate me. They can require what they want or feel they need to do. I just did not have a mask with me. Meh, go home get on the iPad and order it online.
Then stopped at my favorite specialty pet food store. Sign on the door says only 1 (yes!! One ) customer in the store at a time. OK whatever. Seems a little ridiculous to me but it is your store. So I waited and waited. Finally the customer exits the store and two ladies walk right past me and into the store. Well Hello Chewy.com.
Over and over these situations will crop up. I dont know about herd immunity, but herd mentality has definitely been achieved.
I am/was a devout buy local whenever possible proponent. Now my buying habits are changing rapidly. I am done with the restrictions. Not that I disagree with them, I simply do not have time to deal with them. I own my own business and time is money, especially this time of year.
Is this the final nail in the coffin of local specialty retailers? I think the economic fall out from this and the impending new normal will ruin more lives than the pandemic will ever claim.
I always hear people saying they will never forsake a life for a dollar. I have to ask them, how many lives are we willing to destroy to save one?
I do not know what the correct answer to that question is, but to me there is a fractional difference between destroying a life and losing one.
 
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As long as masks are mandated there will prolonged gov interference due to political agenda. In s Indiana there is no pandemic and there hasn't been. No worse than a moderate flu season. Forcing me to wear a mask over irrational fear from misinformed virtual signaling just rubs me wrong. I'm not going to be a willing pawn. If you are at risk, protect yourself. Personal responsibility, common sense and turning off hysterical talking heads is the way to shut this virus down.
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With all due respect, your comments are a little confusing. Few people are as cynical about government as I am, but I don't see an effort to save lives during a health emergency as a "political agenda".

I'm glad your state so far has fared well during this pandemic...but there are no walls between the various states, and it is being spread across the country. (A couple of weeks ago, I read or saw a news report explaining that those college kids who were on Florida beaches in March took this virus to their various homes across the country.)

"Personal responsibility" and "common sense" is exactly what you exhibit when you wear a mask to protect others from your exhaled or expelled droplets, and yes, that is one of the ways to shut the virus down...so what is the issue with wearing a mask? It's not like somebody is making me do something that is harmful or dangerous or deprives me of my rights...(unless I think I have the right to infect other people).

You say "protect yourself"...fair enough. But how does someone who is at risk (a 67 year old cancer survivor like me, for example) protect himself from someone who refuses to wear a mask if they are both in the same public place? And how does wearing a mask make you a pawn?

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand why doing something so simple, so easy, as not breathing, coughing, or sneezing on other people...is such a big deal.
 
Beemerguy53 said:
With that being said, I have to respectfully ask: What is it about wearing a mask, to protect others, that you find so objectionable? Why is this "idiocy"? I really don't get it...please help me to understand. Thank you.
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Because I am a free man in a free country and I choose not to wear a mask.
 
Beemerguy53 said:
With all due respect, your comments are a little confusing. Few people are as cynical about government as I am, but I don't see an effort to save lives during a health emergency as a "political agenda".

I'm glad your state so far has fared well during this pandemic...but there are no walls between the various states, and it is being spread across the country. (A couple of weeks ago, I read or saw a news report explaining that those college kids who were on Florida beaches in March took this virus to their various homes across the country.)

"Personal responsibility" and "common sense" is exactly what you exhibit when you wear a mask to protect others from your exhaled or expelled droplets, and yes, that is one of the ways to shut the virus down...so what is the issue with wearing a mask? It's not like somebody is making me do something that is harmful or dangerous or deprives me of my rights...(unless I think I have the right to infect other people).

You say "protect yourself"...fair enough. But how does someone who is at risk (a 67 year old cancer survivor like me, for example) protect himself from someone who refuses to wear a mask if they are both in the same public place? And how does wearing a mask make you a pawn?

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand why doing something so simple, so easy, as not breathing, coughing, or sneezing on other people...is such a big deal.
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I can't answer without explaining politics to you and that gets me dinged. I think you're just wanting to argue anyway. ;)
 
Beemerguy53 said:
With all due respect, your comments are a little confusing. Few people are as cynical about government as I am, but I don't see an effort to save lives during a health emergency as a "political agenda".

I'm glad your state so far has fared well during this pandemic...but there are no walls between the various states, and it is being spread across the country. (A couple of weeks ago, I read or saw a news report explaining that those college kids who were on Florida beaches in March took this virus to their various homes across the country.)

"Personal responsibility" and "common sense" is exactly what you exhibit when you wear a mask to protect others from your exhaled or expelled droplets, and yes, that is one of the ways to shut the virus down...so what is the issue with wearing a mask? It's not like somebody is making me do something that is harmful or dangerous or deprives me of my rights...(unless I think I have the right to infect other people).

You say "protect yourself"...fair enough. But how does someone who is at risk (a 67 year old cancer survivor like me, for example) protect himself from someone who refuses to wear a mask if they are both in the same public place? And how does wearing a mask make you a pawn?

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand why doing something so simple, so easy, as not breathing, coughing, or sneezing on other people...is such a big deal.
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As it so happens, I am 67 nearing 68, and a stage 4 cancer survivor, so far. Not in remission yet, but doing better. In Indiana, as of today we have 24,627 confirmed cases and 1540 reported deaths form Covid-19. But according to doublesharp, there is no pandemic here. My wife and I don't go in anyplace without a hospital mask in place. Apparently it is too much to ask of those low risk people to help protect us who have compromised immune systems.


Edit 5/24/20: Since I made this post on May 12, the number of confirmed cases is now 30,901, an increase of 6,274 in the last 12 days in my state of Indiana alone. The number of deaths from the virus in Indiana is now 1,964, an increase of 424 deaths in the last 12 days. Have no idea what the national or worldwide numbers are, but it sure looks to me like there is a pandemic. But doublesharp says no. No need to be inconvenienced by wearing a mask while in a public place....
 
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