oldcorps76
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Someone should have just told Jeff Cooper...."embraa-aaaace the Glock......"
The Bren Ten Curse
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SWTIM255
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I had a Bren, sold it when someone wanted to give me a wad of cash for it. later, sent in money for a deposit on a "Peregrine", that never happened, and I lost that money (along with pre payment on a "Specter" shotgun),,,,I guess what they say about a fool and my money is true!.
So, I ended up buying this, it will do the exact same thing as a "real" Bren 10, sit around and gather dust, but at least I can shoot it without killing the value (or getting a "catastrophic failure")
So, I ended up buying this, it will do the exact same thing as a "real" Bren 10, sit around and gather dust, but at least I can shoot it without killing the value (or getting a "catastrophic failure")
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Yup I remember that like is was yesterday.
SweetMK
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I walked into a local gun store one day, the 10mm was at its lowest point of interest by gun enthusiasts,,
Another customer was discussing a gun he had on consignment, from across the store, I noticed it was a Gold Cup,, and looked nice, from a distance.
Well, when the guy walked out, I followed him, and asked if there was anything wrong with the gun,, he said "No",,
I asked what he was trying to get for the Gold Cup, he said $300.
(The gun had a price tag was marked $350)
I told him, go in, get the gun, I would give him the $300 for it right now..
When he came out, he was carrying a BOX full of stuff.
I had my car trunk open, he set the box in the trunk.
Besides the gun and original case, there was a holster, two full boxes of factory ammo, 200 or 300 unfired brass, primers, powder, 300 jacketed bullets, 200 lead bullets, and the reloading dies!!
I gave him the money, then he said that the gun had been on consignment so long, that he thought the gun would NEVER sell.
This is the Gold Cup that I bought that day,,
The only thing odd about it is the fact that when factory ammo is fired, the brass will fly 30 feet to the side,,.
I always told people that the gun must have been designed to shoot in two directions at the same time!!
For over two years, the Delta Gold Cup was my favorite 1911. I have a 1911 in .45,, but, it sat and was never fired during that time.
I bought more brass, and I even have a Dillon "Border Shift" ammo bag, just for 10mm ammo. That ammo is "down-loaded" but, the down-loaded 10mm is more exciting than regular 45 ammo.
I really like shooting my S&W 629 (No brass hunting!!) so now, the Delta Gold Cup only gets shot occasionally.
I remember when I read that the Delta Gold Cup was selling used for $500,, and I thought "That was a pretty good purchase!!"
Another customer was discussing a gun he had on consignment, from across the store, I noticed it was a Gold Cup,, and looked nice, from a distance.
Well, when the guy walked out, I followed him, and asked if there was anything wrong with the gun,, he said "No",,
I asked what he was trying to get for the Gold Cup, he said $300.
(The gun had a price tag was marked $350)
I told him, go in, get the gun, I would give him the $300 for it right now..
When he came out, he was carrying a BOX full of stuff.
I had my car trunk open, he set the box in the trunk.
Besides the gun and original case, there was a holster, two full boxes of factory ammo, 200 or 300 unfired brass, primers, powder, 300 jacketed bullets, 200 lead bullets, and the reloading dies!!
I gave him the money, then he said that the gun had been on consignment so long, that he thought the gun would NEVER sell.
This is the Gold Cup that I bought that day,,
The only thing odd about it is the fact that when factory ammo is fired, the brass will fly 30 feet to the side,,.
I always told people that the gun must have been designed to shoot in two directions at the same time!!
For over two years, the Delta Gold Cup was my favorite 1911. I have a 1911 in .45,, but, it sat and was never fired during that time.
I bought more brass, and I even have a Dillon "Border Shift" ammo bag, just for 10mm ammo. That ammo is "down-loaded" but, the down-loaded 10mm is more exciting than regular 45 ammo.
I really like shooting my S&W 629 (No brass hunting!!) so now, the Delta Gold Cup only gets shot occasionally.
I remember when I read that the Delta Gold Cup was selling used for $500,, and I thought "That was a pretty good purchase!!"
[QUOTE And people say Glock's are ugly? [/QUOTE]
Say wha-a-a-a-t??? No! You must be mistaken. Why the blocky, flat-topped shape and the warm, squishy feel of gen-you-wine plastic in the hand just makes every grocery store stock-boy feel right at home, longing for some barcodes to scan.
Say wha-a-a-a-t??? No! You must be mistaken. Why the blocky, flat-topped shape and the warm, squishy feel of gen-you-wine plastic in the hand just makes every grocery store stock-boy feel right at home, longing for some barcodes to scan.
There is a reason Crockett was carrying this under those expensive Armani linen blazers. Miami Vice was all about expensive style and cutting edge eye candy. This was the perfect gun for the main character.But what does Hollywood know say some.
Sorry, I am out of popcorn.
There used to be a shop in Denver, The Gun Room, run by a great couple that I was fortunate to become good friends with starting in 1984 (they eventually moved to a suburb then sold it a few years later). They had a Bren Ten in their private collection that was on display in the store along with their S&Ws, Colts and Winchesters. They were broken in to one night, many guns were stolen including the BT. Amazingly it was one of a handful that were recovered not too long after.
I too was enamored of the pistol, but Bill-the store owner-complained about the mag issue, he had 2 and only put 7 rounds through the pistol.
Miami Vice came out of a meeting between Michael Mann and Brandon Tartikoff with the words "MTV Cops" written on a napkin. Michael Mann certainly knows his way around the action genre. No earthtones were allowed for the clothes/accessories, everything was pastels. Streets/buildings in South Beach got a serious makeover by the craft departments for location shoots.
I too was enamored of the pistol, but Bill-the store owner-complained about the mag issue, he had 2 and only put 7 rounds through the pistol.
Miami Vice came out of a meeting between Michael Mann and Brandon Tartikoff with the words "MTV Cops" written on a napkin. Michael Mann certainly knows his way around the action genre. No earthtones were allowed for the clothes/accessories, everything was pastels. Streets/buildings in South Beach got a serious makeover by the craft departments for location shoots.
Since the gun was patterned off the CZ75, I don't see why anyone would buy it over a current 10mm CZ. I couldn't quite remember what they looked like and after doing a Google image search, frankly they look ugly. I don't see any market for a reproduction at all.
I was there when D&D presented Jeff Cooper with his very Own Bren Ten.
At the time I was in a heated debate with a Cooper acolyte by the name of Mark Moritz. He insisted that the Bren Ten was the very Best Pistol ever made, and I simply refused to be taken in by his fanaticism.
Seeing that this was a never ending argument, I told him, Okay go a head and buy your Bren Ten, and I will go down and buy one of Randall's new left handed 1911's. In five years we will both have collector items.
I was correct in that both Pistols were shortly discontinued, and that both are quite valuable today.
I never did buy that Randall Left handed 1911. I wish I had.
As a side note, D&D took the Bren Ten that they had presented to Jeff Cooper right after the ceremony. It didn't have a magazine either.
SWTIM255
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It is an "Maxi 10 airsoft" version, gas powered , shoots a 8mm plastic BB. Probably less of them made than the real Bren, very few imported into the US.
I don't have a Bren Ten but do have a 10mm I won't get rid of, a S&W 1066 (bet you might have guessed that from my user name). Over the years I've managed to add an additional 7 genuine S&W 10mm mags for it. The one thing I've never been able to find, and if anyone has any recommendations please let me know, is a level 2 or even a level 3 duty holster. Before I retired we were allowed to chose the weapon we wished to carry but it had to be at least a level 2 holster and I could never find one so I carried either a 1911 45 or a 1911 Super 38 (both Colts of course). Retired now so can carry the 1066 any way I want but I'm more comfortable with level 2 carry. I understand I can use a holster for ether the S&W 1066 or 4566, but I can't find either. I currently use a Black Widow for personal carry. Curious what others use.
SWTIM255
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But now, you can again buy a brand new Auto mag
I wonder what the colonel thought about that?
LVSteve
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And people say Glock's are ugly?[/QUOTE]
ROFLMAO!!! Mind you, I already own one of the more questionable gun designs in steel, the laughably huge Star Megastar in 45 ACP, also available in 10mm.
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[QUOTE Not having been personally involved with the Bren Ten in days of yore, I have never understood the magazine availability problem. I gather that it was a large part of the BT's failure to thrive. Seems to me that magazine availability should have been no worse than a minimal problem, but such was evidently not the case. So what was the BT magazine difficulty all about?[/QUOTE]
This is the thing I've wondered about for the last 30 years. The magazine was the least complex part of the pistol. It's a matter of quite straightforward metalworking. Yes, they require careful attention to detail, but I've made replacements for unobtainable mags in the shop; it takes time doing a one-off, but it's certainly not advanced nuclear physics. I personally believe that the whole mag issue was a red herring to divert blame from the fact that a couple of greedy businessmen (what other kind is there) with an under-funded company foisted a good idea, that had not been properly engineered nor fully perfected, on an eager public in order to generate capital to keep their teetering operation afloat. This harkens back 35 years to Preston Tucker selling radios to the promised owners of non-existent cars, in order to keep the company going long enough to build said cars. Didn't work then, either. It would have cost them only a few thousand dollars at a time to produce small batches of mags and keep them trickling out in dribs and drabs, enough to convince the public that they might eventually get theirs, to keep the company alive. I think the real problem was that they didn't have the resources to fix the problems with the pistol itself, and the mags were just a cover.
This is the thing I've wondered about for the last 30 years. The magazine was the least complex part of the pistol. It's a matter of quite straightforward metalworking. Yes, they require careful attention to detail, but I've made replacements for unobtainable mags in the shop; it takes time doing a one-off, but it's certainly not advanced nuclear physics. I personally believe that the whole mag issue was a red herring to divert blame from the fact that a couple of greedy businessmen (what other kind is there) with an under-funded company foisted a good idea, that had not been properly engineered nor fully perfected, on an eager public in order to generate capital to keep their teetering operation afloat. This harkens back 35 years to Preston Tucker selling radios to the promised owners of non-existent cars, in order to keep the company going long enough to build said cars. Didn't work then, either. It would have cost them only a few thousand dollars at a time to produce small batches of mags and keep them trickling out in dribs and drabs, enough to convince the public that they might eventually get theirs, to keep the company alive. I think the real problem was that they didn't have the resources to fix the problems with the pistol itself, and the mags were just a cover.
65Whelen
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Only heard about the BT after some research into the 10mm. Sounds like it suffered a horrible death. Kinda like James Dean, die young and leave a good looking corpse. They're still talking about him too. Anyway, a 10mm on a CZ75 design is a sweet combo and I like my EEA Steel Witness. It's a equality clone that doesn't get much respect. Who does that remind you off?
This is also my carry just like Sonny. Only I don't wear Armoni. Carhart.
This is also my carry just like Sonny. Only I don't wear Armoni. Carhart.
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I ordered two of them back in the day and found out about the lack of a magazine so I canceled the order. I do not regret it either as I was able to look at one in the flesh shortly thereafter and the gun had very poor workmanship. The front sight wiggled back and forth and the gun had two manual safeties. It also felt like a brick in the hand. I would not want a reproduction of it either. There are plenty of modern 10 mm guns out there today for sale.
I might add that I have killed some very large Whitetail deer with the 9mm so why would I even need a hard kicking expensive to shoot 10mm.
I might add that I have killed some very large Whitetail deer with the 9mm so why would I even need a hard kicking expensive to shoot 10mm.
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