The future of Colt and S&W?

Harkrader

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Number one son came home for a week-long visit.
He's professional military, stationed some distance away - we think. He disappears for parental stress-inducing periods and usually returns with another collection of interesting firearms.

This time he had a DPMS in 300AAC Blackout with an optical sight, zoom scope, Streamlight, and impressive silencer. The rounds were subsonic and he took aim at a 10" gong some 300 yards down range.
"PUFFT" - - - - - - - - "DING!" First shot.
"PUFFT" - - - - - - - - "DING!"
Eight times in a row. I was thinking I could almost run downrange and catch them before they hit the gong.
Hearing protection was not required.

THEN he brought out a FN SCAR-H STDSCAR/762 NATO - with silencer, and again rang that gong 10 times in a row. Report was a bit louder, of course, since that ammo is hooting along pretty good.
THEN he drug out a single shot 300AAC Blackout rifle with BIG zoom scope. And silencer. Five "DINGS" later he let me shoot it. Whisper quiet and "DING" every time.

He hands me the FN. It has an impressive 24X Nikon zoom scope with mil reticles. He's been shooting 150-gr "sniper" rounds and I am shooting 160-gr Herter El Cheapos. He tells me: "Hold that first hollow circle below the cross hairs at the bottom of the disc (300 yards away). That should account for the bullet weight and lesser accuracy." Bless him, he didn't say whether it was MY "lesser accuracy" he referred to, or the ammo's.
"DING!" Became monotonous. He says to try the smaller gong next to the 10". It's about 6", I think. "Hold the first solid dot below the crosshairs on the bottom of the disc," he sez. "DING!"

Welll, I HAD been thinking of, uhm, er, impressing him with my skills with my National Match Springfield M1A and iron sights. I'm now hoping he doesn't notice it where I have (proudly) uncased it on the bench next to us. He does, however.
Sooo, I pick it up, load it with my Herters, and he sets up his spotting scope as though he might not, you know, be able to hear the MANY "DINGS" I am so sure(ly DESPERATELY HOPING) will result.

Just to make the pain go away quickly, I'll just say I hit the 10" approximately one of every three rounds as he called - politely as though I couldn't tell from listening, "Miss!" for the others.

I'll not detail my hits on the smaller gong, other than to say he said "Miss" more often.

He next, and finally, unlimbered a piece of genuine artillery, a Barrett .338 Lapua bolt rifle. No silencer. He said it would kick about like his FN SCAR-H. He was somewhat right. But he DIDN'T tell me about the blast. Nails and plaster fell from the rafters, birds on the other side of the berm abandoned their nests, the spotting scope on the next table teetered and nearly fell over and turf was torn up in front of the rifle stand. Standing water in the grass turned to steam. I'm not sure what the trigger pull weight was on that beast, but I had to account for my heartbeat not to set it off too soon. We did not shoot the gongs because he said the 338 would destroy them. Dang near destroyed ME!

We also went to the pistol range where we shot a Sig 1911 Scorpion Carry, a H&K USP .45 and a compact model, a Kahr, a Sig 229/357Sig and a couple Glocks.

What hit me was not bullets bouncing back from steel targets, but the recognition that except for my M&P357 we had not fired or even brought anything Colt or S&W.

The world turns.
 
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On my long range, my 308 trigger is 19 ounces and my 338 Lapua is 12 ounces. When letting "Normal" people play with my toys, I make them dry fire several times so they don't waste ammo. My triggers are heavy compared to many. One friend has 3 ounces on his target triggers and a "heavy" 5 ounces on his hunting triggers. The Accu-Trigger from Savage has a RED trigger, that is suppose to go down to I believe 1 pound. I have seen them at a crisp, and consistent 6 ounces. They take getting used to! Ivan
 
I think S&W is doing fine as a company, not sure about Colt.
Maybe, but have you tried to buy one recently? A few months ago, I visited our local Sportsman's Warehouse. The shooting department manager told me he could not get J-frames and had a nearly empty revolver display case . . . other than a Ruger or two.

It seems to me that having no product in the retail channel is not a good sign.
 
I have seen figures of new shooters ranging from 2 million on up. One of the largest groups in the community are women. Mini CCW autos and CCW revolvers are flying off shelves. Colt has a few expensive small autos. S&W has the 2 Bodyguards and the J-frames and the smaller M&P's. Their are a bunch of other companies putting out many platforms to cater to this market. Colt must feel that they can survive without the tooling and other costs in serving that market. They have got the USMC 1911 contract they still sell a huge amount of AR's to local and national governments. I think they may be giving up on the civilian market. S&W has expanded into the 1911 and AR markets as well as the large and small polymer autos and CCW polymers. So One is market focused and One is market diverse. Will they survive? That is up to the US government and if it continues to allow the to manufacture and market their products. Smith has the screw business, Ruger has their casting business, but what dose Colt have to fall back on? Ivan
 
Colt AR's 1911's, and Mustang pistols continue to be staples.

Smith & Wesson has several hot products, including the entire M&P line, AR's, mouse guns, and the ever popular J frames. The medium and large frame revolvers continue to have a strong and steady following.
 
Colt AR's 1911's, and Mustang pistols continue to be staples.

Smith & Wesson has several hot products, including the entire M&P line, AR's, mouse guns, and the ever popular J frames. The medium and large frame revolvers continue to have a strong and steady following.

They are both great companies with great products but unfortunately mostly out of stock. I have a hard time getting certain models.
 
Maybe, but have you tried to buy one recently? A few months ago, I visited our local Sportsman's Warehouse. The shooting department manager told me he could not get J-frames and had a nearly empty revolver display case . . . other than a Ruger or two.

It seems to me that having no product in the retail channel is not a good sign.

Haven't tried in awhile. Just checked a distributor website for availability and as you say, none available. Can't sell what you don't have I guess. HK, I know I can get one of those.:)
 
Same can be said for the guy that was there before you and didn't have an FNH. I don't shoot s&w all the time either.

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sounds like some nice weapons,

i wish i could have been there with my old K-31 Schmidt-Ruben,

while i have never shot at a 10" gong, the old swiss rifle is very much

gallon milk jug accurate with the battle sights at 300yds

and has been known to make 4 out of 10 at 1000yds shooting the

metal barrel tops from 35 gallon drums with same battle sights
 
I put my money where my mouth is some years ago and bought S&W and Ruger stock. VERY good moves.
I was just noting that I taught all our children to shoot using Rugers, Colts and S&Ws. None even SAW a Sig until I was issued one in the mid-80s. Their first guns were Rugers and Colts.
Now, the youngest is a cop and chooses Glocks. The oldest is professional military and has used more AR variants than I have even HEARD of, and has disturbing proficiency with a dizzying array of handguns - none of which (AR or handgun) are S&W or Colt. At least DPMS is a US company, along with Barrett.
*sigh*
 
Harkrader, That is a good story well told. Please thank him for his service, sacrifice and commitment.

Likewise to you and your family for supporting #1 son along with the thanks of a grateful nation.

Now about that spotting scope. I need one. Do you have a recommendation?


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Rex Goliath: "spotting scopes"
Not a clue. Though that Nikon was magnificent. I'll try to ask him what it was. Supposing his phone doesn't go straight to voice mail.
 
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