The Russians have gone in
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Bad idea. The price is WAAY down right now.
UncleEd
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Absalom
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The war in Ukraine is three days old.
Any domestic consequences for Putin in Russia will take time, months, even years to develop. They’re entirely possible, but don’t hold your breath yet.
And while it’s fun to speculate, we really have no idea of Putin’s mental state. At his age, is he really still the ice-cold calculating cold warrior who runs circles around his elected opponents who are just politicians, and he has a cunning plan to restore the USSR, just without communism?
Or is he just an aging dictator who is looking to close that big gap of freedom and democracy on Russia’s western border represented by Ukraine, so he is safely surrounded by authoritarian regimes he can control?
The Russians aren’t going to lose this war, and any crisis so dramatic the Russians would use nukes is hard to fathom. But this won’t be easy, it’ll be messy; above all it won’t be fast, and it won’t be over for the Russians any time soon. However the military situation plays out, probably messy and inconclusive too, the idea of just installing Medvedchuk or another pro-Putin Ukrainian leader and then pulling out is certainly a pipe dream.
Poland and the Baltics may be safe for now just because Russia is busy elsewhere. Ukraine won‘t be the same as Hitler rolling over Czechoslovakia, just an appetizer.
Any domestic consequences for Putin in Russia will take time, months, even years to develop. They’re entirely possible, but don’t hold your breath yet.
And while it’s fun to speculate, we really have no idea of Putin’s mental state. At his age, is he really still the ice-cold calculating cold warrior who runs circles around his elected opponents who are just politicians, and he has a cunning plan to restore the USSR, just without communism?
Or is he just an aging dictator who is looking to close that big gap of freedom and democracy on Russia’s western border represented by Ukraine, so he is safely surrounded by authoritarian regimes he can control?
The Russians aren’t going to lose this war, and any crisis so dramatic the Russians would use nukes is hard to fathom. But this won’t be easy, it’ll be messy; above all it won’t be fast, and it won’t be over for the Russians any time soon. However the military situation plays out, probably messy and inconclusive too, the idea of just installing Medvedchuk or another pro-Putin Ukrainian leader and then pulling out is certainly a pipe dream.
Poland and the Baltics may be safe for now just because Russia is busy elsewhere. Ukraine won‘t be the same as Hitler rolling over Czechoslovakia, just an appetizer.
I suppose I am suggesting that, yes. Unfortunately, I am here in the faraway. I have a BA in Geography from the 3rd quarter of the last century and very few hours in sociology, meaning I have exactly 0% 1st hand knowledge, like our "leaders." Joe
Stoli is made in Latvia, one of the Baltic states that is now a member nation of NATO.
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The Novichok Nap!!
I don't think the idea of planned immigration is too far out of the realm of possibilities. I don't think it was so much planned as highly evident...consider Crimea, outside of a few people that have lived there for generations there are huge enclaves of retired Russian military enjoying the sunny climate and relatively cheap cost of living. Same is true in the two areas of Ukraine where the separatists have been fighting for twenty years, those Russian speakers Putin is trying to save from Ukrainian Nazification...Gimme a break. Many of those old war dogs were retired military officers, many are former members of the old USSR and longing for the good old days, however in reality they might be living in them right now and things may turn sour if this push fails...we'll see. Ever wonder about all the Russians that moved here, escaping life in the new Russia? There has to be some reason some Americans are siding with Russia and still in support of Putin but it escapes me unless its the obvious for which if I went any further would probably get me put in the dog house, I will leave it at that because We can all do better.
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smithman 10
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I remember handing my travel orders
To a teen-age looking Russian soldier in 1971 so I could travel from West Berlin to West Germany while on leave. I remember at the time thinking, I bet this boy would rather be at home with his girlfriend than doing this.
I am willing to bet that the Russian conscripts in the units invading Ukraine don't have half the motivation as the folks they are attacking and I think that will make a world of difference.
I hope so.
To a teen-age looking Russian soldier in 1971 so I could travel from West Berlin to West Germany while on leave. I remember at the time thinking, I bet this boy would rather be at home with his girlfriend than doing this.
I am willing to bet that the Russian conscripts in the units invading Ukraine don't have half the motivation as the folks they are attacking and I think that will make a world of difference.
I hope so.
YeshuaIsa53
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Ukraine, had they just stayed neutral, would have kept Russia's border with them on safer terms with Putin. They were warned. It is not our fight, if he stays in Ukraine. We can feel sorry for the Ukraine's peoples, and maybe even look up to them for what decisions they made and are making.
Putin's culpabilities will go down in the history books.
I wouldn't want nukes on my borders, though.
I think this could help the world and our attitudes for each other, except the humanitarian crisis. It may open a lot of eyes. Maybe we will understand better how stupid war is. Keep it between the lines.
Putin's culpabilities will go down in the history books.
I wouldn't want nukes on my borders, though.
I think this could help the world and our attitudes for each other, except the humanitarian crisis. It may open a lot of eyes. Maybe we will understand better how stupid war is. Keep it between the lines.
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Ukraine has had no nukes since they gave them up in 1994. There was no plan for anyone to put nukes in Ukraine - that's the Budapest Article that (guess what) also guaranteed Ukraine's borders by agreement with Russia, the UK, and us.
No nukes have ever been planned for Ukraine. Since 1994.
Ukraine is, and has been, independent and neutral since 1991. They were 3 days ago as well
No nukes have ever been planned for Ukraine. Since 1994.
Ukraine is, and has been, independent and neutral since 1991. They were 3 days ago as well
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Do know that Russian disinformation on social media claims NATO was placing missiles with nukes on their border. That's a lie. The NATO countries touching the Russian Federation are Romania, Turkey, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania. None have nuclear missiles in their countries. Not one.
It's also a lie that the Jewish president of Ukraine (Zellensky) is a neo-Nazi.
It's also a lie that the Jewish president of Ukraine (Zellensky) is a neo-Nazi.
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Media sites have turned this into sensationalized, skewed click bait.
I wish Paul Harvey were here to straighten this all out for me.
I wish Paul Harvey were here to straighten this all out for me.
Rusty, try dw news out of Germany, or the bbc, or france 24 english. There's surely more, but a European perspective, one not connected to our domestic politics, is good to get. All available live on YouTube.
Putin was just flipped out, I mean thrown out of the Judo Federation. Sweeping the ranks of evil doers.
“‘The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride,'” Zelenskyy told the U.S.
This quote sticks in my mind, I don't imagine I will ever forget it. As corny as it might sound, when I read that quote I had a powerful urge to hoist a Ukranian flag over my house. I admit that I am one that thought this would never happen, but now that it has I'm moved by the actions and resolve of the people under attack by putins butchers. I wish we were doing more for them.
This quote sticks in my mind, I don't imagine I will ever forget it. As corny as it might sound, when I read that quote I had a powerful urge to hoist a Ukranian flag over my house. I admit that I am one that thought this would never happen, but now that it has I'm moved by the actions and resolve of the people under attack by putins butchers. I wish we were doing more for them.
Every time I see Zelensky on tv I can’t help but feel sorry for him. He is a young apparently vibrant and popular leader who is locked in a no win situation with no way out but death. Sad to watch a guy like him and realize that he will most likely soon cease to exist.
I read this morning that MOST Nato nations are now sending weaponry to the Ukrainian people - including anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles. Hope it all gets there in time. I saw a photo of olive drab-colored boxcars crossing the Polish border yesterday.
John
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President Zelensky...
Below is a great article from the Washington Post on President Zelensky, and the way he's rallying his people. (I've gifted this article to this page, so you all can read it.)
It has been both amazing, and inspirational, to watch President Zelensky this week. He seems to be channeling the spirits of both Winston Churchill and General George Patton, as he leads his people in the armed defense of their homeland. His time might -- or might not -- be limited, but he will live forever in the hearts of his countrymen, and all freedom-loving people everywhere.
May God bless President Zelensky, and may God bless the people of his beloved Ukraine.
https://wapo.st/3hl9gg6
Below is a great article from the Washington Post on President Zelensky, and the way he's rallying his people. (I've gifted this article to this page, so you all can read it.)
It has been both amazing, and inspirational, to watch President Zelensky this week. He seems to be channeling the spirits of both Winston Churchill and General George Patton, as he leads his people in the armed defense of their homeland. His time might -- or might not -- be limited, but he will live forever in the hearts of his countrymen, and all freedom-loving people everywhere.
May God bless President Zelensky, and may God bless the people of his beloved Ukraine.
https://wapo.st/3hl9gg6
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