This will NOT buff out - 360 pd explodes

[dovekiller]

My very first reloading press when I was just 14 years old, was a Lyman Truline, Jr Progressive. It was a real rattle-trap that flexed when you resized the case. But most interesting of all was the powder measure. It had the alarming habit of adding a tenth of a grain to the powder charge everytime you pulled the handle!! Fortunately I had actually read the Lyman reloading handbook before starting so I weighed the powder charge every tenth shell. Since I was using Bullseye in .45 ACP, that was a real eye opener!

Other than that my only experience with bad handloads was under charge, not over charge. Still, I ruined the barrel on a 629.

 

[S.B.]

Originally posted by Andy Griffith:
Heck, I just took a look at his statement:

B. The more rounds that you load, the more chance of making a mistake.

If you load, chances are that you will make a mistake. However, if you check, re-check, and then check again- chances are you might catch that bad load before it ruins an heirloom gun, injures pride, or creates a self-righteous idiot.

I've made mistakes in my loads- and thankfully caught them. If I ruin a gun, I'm going to suck it up and know that it was my fault. That's the calculated, yet minuscule risk that I take by reloading.

People with no personal sense of responsibility have no business reloading.

I'd be careful making statements like that, the new President elect will take office the first part in early 2009, and with him, will probably be the new reloading police? Please don't give them ammunition, before they ask for it?
We could, all, find it a lot harder to reload? I know you speak with jest and experience but, please be careful.
Steve

 

[pownal55]

looks more like 27.5 grains of bullseye!

 

[Double-O-Dave]

I may be mistaken - it's been a few years since I last reloaded, but wasn't undercharge/detonation also an issue with Bullseye in .38 Special wadcutter target rounds (low velocity)?

Regards,

Dave

 

[jbouwens]

I use 24 grains of H110 under a 240 grain hollowpoint for my hunting loads and they work great. I can't imagine a more powerful load than that out of my 44 mag. That pic sure looks like a gross under or overload to do that damage. H110 works great if you stick with the published load data. I Agree-- this Plus P garbage needs to go away like the fart in a hurricane.

 

[july1952]

Check out this load data:

http://www.handloads.org/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=4...owder&Source=Hodgdon

 

[David Sinko]

That's not a heavy powder charge for a .44 Magnum. There is always the possibility that the wrong powder was used in that one cartridge. After all, 27 grs. of anything else would probably be very problematic.

Dave Sinko

 

[S-W4EVER]

Originally posted by rburg:
Its Bush's fault.

Absolutely!!!

 

[mkk41]

You cannot get 27grs of H110 in a .357 case.

 

[rsnyder]

I've been loading 23.5-24.0grs of h110 under a 240gr XTP for years as my hunting load, it's hot, never cared for 200gr slugs because never got good accuracy out of them, but i'm with the others looks more like a detonation-explosion than actual burn of the powder. Just my opinion!

 

[rburg]

Originally posted by mkk41:
You cannot get 27grs of H110 in a .357 case.

And you know this, how?

Ok, lets summarize. We've pretty well called this as a troll. The gun in the pix wasn't a 360. Thats obvious from the photo. From that we can't place much confidence in anything else in the post. 2nd or 3rd hand information is notorious for being biased or just plain wrong.

 

[mkk41]

Originally posted by rburg:

Originally posted by mkk41:
You cannot get 27grs of H110 in a .357 case.

And you know this, how?

Because 21.5grs almost fills a .41 mag case and a 220gr Keith SWC compresses it pretty good. H-110 works best when compressed.

Besides , H-110 is a 'slow' burning powder. It would have pushed most of that charge out and burned it in muzzle flash.

But I could weigh out 27grs and pour it in a .357 case and see how much overflow I have.

 

[Vanilla Gorilla]

Originally posted by rburg:

Originally posted by mkk41:
You cannot get 27grs of H110 in a .357 case.

And you know this, how?

Ok, lets summarize. We've pretty well called this as a troll. The gun in the pix wasn't a 360. Thats obvious from the photo. From that we can't place much confidence in anything else in the post. 2nd or 3rd hand information is notorious for being biased or just plain wrong.

If you will follow the link at AR15.com, you'll see the original post by the shooter who 'sploded his gun.

niceguymr is most certainly not a troll, though he did make a mistake calling the gun a 360PD. The target hammer and trigger are a giveaway that it's a 327.

 

[dixiedawg119]

Dang, every time I start thinking about reloading, I get scared by something like that.

It's my understanding that the Scandium/Titanium revolvers grenade like that when something goes wrong. Would a steel frame have had the same sort of damage or just something like a bulged/cracked cylinder?

 

[dovekiller]

It's my understanding that the Scandium/Titanium revolvers grenade like that when something goes wrong.

Care to share with us how you arrived at this "understanding?" Certainly it is not common knowledge on this forum.

 

[rburg]

Guess I'm a relative newcomer to reloading. I started when I was a toddler, watching my father.
Then I did it without his supervision when I was a teen. When I got married I just swallowed any pride I had and bought my own setup. I was scared to death the entire time. Now, I've been doing it over 50 years, and I'm still very cautious.

As I stated above, I think something about the thread stinks. I don't trust the information we've been given. Scandium/Titanium guns seem to be pretty reliable when used with any common sense. Its possible to blow up any gun if you try hard enough, or are so stupid that you build a gross overload.

When I reload, even if I have helpers (they're adult sons now.) I always take charge of the powder step, and I'm very careful. I prefer no distractions in the room when I'm doing it, too.

Many of us here have reloaded 10s of thousands of rounds with no mistakes. Its because we're careful. Most of us have also driven hundreds of thousands of miles without killing ourselves. Some things are inherently dangerous, like reloading, driving, and taking a shower (most home accidents occur in the tub.) Pay attention.

We'll never get the straight story on the grenaded gun. Either because the guilty party is embarassed and won't tell, or because of carelessness doesn't even know himself. There are some people that are just stupid, careless, or shouldn't do many things that require attention to detail.

It upsets me when a gun is blamed for an accident when almost everything points to a human element being the failure point. This is one of those incidents. Now you know why most factories specify that the use of handloads voids the warranty. Its because there is no control over how stupid some people can be. At least the major reloading companies all have some degree of quality control.

There's a guy I know (I refrain from calling him a friend.) His father managed to blow up a Weatherby .460 a few decades ago. He did that by using his own reloading formula. The books know nothing, he decided to mix his own powders because the tiny factory case wouldn't hold enough of the recommended powder to do what he wanted. Yes, he mixed some pistol powder with the huge volume of 3031 he was using. Kaboom. And guess what? It was the factory's fault for building a weak action.

 

[fly rodder]

Take a look at the second pix. i may be wrong here, but the recoil mark around the firing pin appears to indicate that the round fired while the cylinder was not fully locked up.

fly rodder

 

[fly rodder]

Also note the odd mark in the floor of the ill-fated chamber. does this indicate a case head seperation? Ummm.

and a second look at the first pix, is telling too. the force was so great it literally bent the frame itself as shown by the position of the side plate and the yoke screw. This is not simply a slightly hot load.

fly rodder

 

[dixiedawg119]

Originally posted by dovekiller:

It's my understanding that the Scandium/Titanium revolvers grenade like that when something goes wrong.

Care to share with us how you arrived at this "understanding?" Certainly it is not common knowledge on this forum.

Sure, nothing scientific. At the range I used to go to, the guy that owned it told me that. He said that he preferred the Aluminum/SS combination in a J-frame over the Titanium/Scandium combo.

He said that T/S are relatively brittle materials, so if for some reason there is a problem (like a problem with a reload), it completely lets go and explodes - like the one in the pic did.

I've never seen it happen, and I wasn't saying that I thought there were T/S guns blowing up everyday. I wasn't saying I don't think they are safe. If I could afford one, I'd buy one.

My questions was just about how different metals react to being catastrophically overstressed. Do they react differently?

 

[Win]

That's why my 2 powders for all my hand gun loads are Blue Dot and Unique....(and now Blue Dot is supposed to have some problems...though my particular 8 lb jug seems to be working for all my loads).