Thought the SC shooting was bad? Try this

[LVSteve]

Guy died in the High Desert Prison last year. Family went to get his body and only found out he'd been shot when they asked to actually see his corpse. Story got real weird when it was discovered that another prisoner survived being shot in the same incident. Oh, and both were handcuffed at the time.

The family opened a gofundme webpage to help pay for funeral expenses. That was taken down at the request of the prison warden. Overreach if I ever saw it.

Now the family is suing because :

1) The victim was in administrative segregation for his own safety, but the guards put him and the other prisoner in contact.

2) When they both began kicking each other, it is alleged that two guards egged them on rather than interfering.

3) The third guard stepped in and basically tried to blow them both away with a shotgun.

The Nevada Department of Corrections has run a large obscuration campaign of this one. I say fire them all, and put in the National Guard until new staff are hired. The place is clearly rotten from top to bottom. I thought we were past this ****.

Inmate killed in prison had 4 months left in sentence | Las Vegas Review-Journal

Lawsuit: High Desert prison guards allowed inmates to fight | Las Vegas Review-Journal

 

[chaparrito]

Let me guess, NV has for-profit, privately run prisons?

 

[LVSteve]

Let me guess, NV has for-profit, privately run prisons?

Oddly enough, no.

However, this particular prison outside Las Vegas seems to have recruitment and retention problems. Some of the latter occur when a CO gets caught supplying drugs and/or cellphones to the inmates.

 

[rwsmith]

Horrible......

Let me guess, NV has for-profit, privately run prisons?

An acquaintance was in the county lock up for a while. I was shocked to learn how the place was run. Trying to get in touch or visit him was made next to impossible and the conditions were deplorable. I'll spare the details, you get the picture. I felt like we were criminals just for trying to get the guy out. That was in December and we still haven't gotten our bail money back. And yes, the prison is owned by somebody in Texas and this place would be a joke if it weren't so horrendous.

PS: I'm no psychiatrist but the kid (18) definitely had PTSD after that with flashbacks, nightmares and whole works.

 

[the ringo kid]

Let me guess, NV has for-profit, privately run prisons?

Why not? Texas has them. Those who work for "in our case--Wackenhut" werent hired to work for the State because of????--and now-a-days--the State is desperate just to hire warm bodies to fill the ranks. Those who work at private prisons--make less than those who work at State and Fed prisons--fed being the best paid and best bennies too.


Anyway,can you image a place with a staff that are less qualified than Jethro Bodine to work there. If not--private prisons are full of Bodines.Also,they do NOT--waste Ad-Seg space for one about to get out on prison. That inmate did something naughty to be placed there and nobody seems to want to saw what it was he did to be put there.

 

[LVSteve]

Also,they do NOT--waste Ad-Seg space for one about to get out on prison. That inmate did something naughty to be placed there and nobody seems to want to saw what it was he did to be put there.

Rumour control here has in was segregation for his own safety. Most likely he had turned in a cellphone that belonged to somebody else who got grumpy. Also, don't get any funny ideas about Wackenhut or the state running prisons. Everybody knows the gangs rule.

 

[armenius]

How many of you are aware of the Kenneth Trentadue case where he was beaten to death in solitary,reported as suicide and fortunately had a brother who was a lawyer and investigated further and found this happened during an "interrogation" regarding the Oklahoma City Bombing. The US Government has paid considerably.A very interesting story.One good summary is at Intelwire.All is not what it seems!

 

[Nevada Ed]

Let me get this straight............

the guy only had 4 months left..........

and he gets into trouble?

 

[the ringo kid]

Rumour control here has in was segregated for his own safety. Most likely he had turned in a cellphone that belonged to somebody else who got grumpy. Also, don't get any funny ideas about Wackenhut or the state running prisons. Everybody knows the gangs rule.

They have a few other types of isolation cells too--thats where he would have been in a case like this--unless they were already filled to cap? In that case--he would have been shipped off to another farm as soon as possible--which was usually a day or two. Here in TX, if something happened in the morning with a certain inmate--they were always gone by afternoon already transferred. These were usually transferred to another farm at least a hundred miles away.

 

[the ringo kid]

Let me get this straight............

the guy only had 4 months left..........

and he gets into trouble?

Yep--happens all the time. Ive seen them get into trouble their last day there--only to get another two or more years.

 

[the ringo kid]

Ill add to the above. One older inmate got itno trouble due to someone giving him drugs he was caught with but had not had time to use if he was going to use it? After he was found with drugs in his property--i was one who escourted him to the admin building where he was interviewed--general court was held etc. After he foun out was was going to happen? he was taken back to his original "house" where-while waiting for transfer to another facility to happen--literally just fell over and he died. We couldnt save him either.

He found out he had to serve the remainder of his original sentence plus another ten years??? and just as they were going to move him--all stuff packed to go--he fell over dead from a massive heart attack. This inmate was packed and ready to "walk out the gates" and family was there to take him home.

The drugs were found in his belongings when--as is the usual--that his stuff be gone through and logged out.He had nowhere else to hide those drugs--except in a balled up pair of socks--which were easily found.

Soeof the above is out of context but is what happened. I tried using the ""heart machine""on him while real medical staff was on their way. Also,I knew this guy and he was more of one of those old-fashioned Convicts--and not a mere inmate. A convict is totally respectful of any staff-even if some staff membe was in the wrong--an inmate bucks everyone as much as possible. So that's the diff between the two.

 

[LVSteve]

They have a few other types of isolation cells too--thats where he would have been in a case like this--unless they were already filled to cap? In that case--he would have been shipped off to another farm as soon as possible--which was usually a day or two. Here in TX, if something happened in the morning with a certain inmate--they were always gone by afternoon already transferred. These were usually transferred to another farm at least a hundred miles away.

May I suggest that you peruse the website for the the Nevada Dept of Corrections. Nevada Department of Corrections Note the small number of facilities. Now take a look at a map to see the size of this state and how far apart these places are. There simply are no facilities for quick transfers.

We have not heard the last of this by a long way. The local media and the legislature are now involved as the number of firearms incidents at Nevada prisons has now been revealed. The other news was the number of lawsuits currently in process against the DOC. According to the paper this week they include lawsuits for the loss of a limb and the death of an inmate caught in crossfire while the COs were shooting at somebody else.

Whatever the merits or otherwise of these suits, it is pretty clear that the NV DOC are used to operating their way. Oversight is not welcome, as has been made clear to lawyers and journalists submitting FOIA requests. Even the state AG seems unhappy with information flow to her office. It reeks of somebody's publicly funded little empire getting out of hand. Bag. That. Noise.

 

[rwsmith]

I'm no prison reformer...

W That inmate did something naughty to be placed there and nobody seems to want to saw what it was he did to be put there.

Ringo, my man, I don't believe in coddling prisoners. This was really inhumane and they squeezed every penny out of people that were trying to help them. You could only visit if the prisoner made an 'appointment' for at a certain time of the week and you couldn't contact them to arrange anything not even get a message to them. I had to pay $20 every few days on this internet thing so that he could call us at all. One night he called us the guards started ragging him about nobody caring about him and he wasn't getting out for a long time. This kid had pot possession. He wasn't convicted of anything, he was waiting trial. I've found out more about the place and it's run like a medieval dungeon. My wife wrote to the state representative about some of this. The jail in the next county is known as the 'Palace' compared to this, but it is operated by the local government.

PS After a month of getting nowhere, me and the lawyer's paralegal went out one night to scrape up enough money to bail him out. She was so appalled that she lent me money out of her personal account just to get him out because I had a cap on my debit card. We went to the bond court in the same building at seven pm and we sat in the parking lot until 11:30 when they decided to let him out.

That was before Christmas and we just got our bond money back yesterday 4/16 after calling everybody in the county for weeks. My wife went to pick up the check rather than depend on them mailing it to us.

Very often I exaggerate for comic effect but this was no joke.

 

[the ringo kid]

May I suggest that you peruse the website for the the Nevada Dept of Corrections. Nevada Department of Corrections Note the small number of facilities. Now take a look at a map to see the size of this state and how far apart these places are. There simply are no facilities for quick transfers.

We have not heard the last of this by a long way. The local media and the legislature are now involved as the number of firearms incidents at Nevada prisons has now been revealed. The other news was the number of lawsuits currently in process against the DOC. According to the paper this week they include lawsuits for the loss of a limb and the death of an inmate caught in crossfire while the COs were shooting at somebody else.

Whatever the merits or otherwise of these suits, it is pretty clear that the NV DOC are used to operating their way. Oversight is not welcome, as has been made clear to lawyers and journalists submitting FOIA requests. Even the state AG seems unhappy with information flow to her office. It reeks of somebody's publicly funded little empire getting out of hand. Bag. That. Noise.

Im not quoting what goes there--but what happens here in Texas. However,Agseg space is reserved for the ones who think they are tough. Also,ive been on many a transfer run here in Texas.Last I saw--Texas aint a little State.Ive done runs that made me work almost to full shifts.

 

[ATF]

Thankfully I haven't had anything to do with prisons but I watch the shows on TV and YT and the whole system seems completely out of control. I know there are some insanely criminal types and sex cases that deserve everything they get but a huge proportion seems to be locked up for petty crimes like weed and such. I believe once someone enters the prison system their whole life is ruined and the emphasis is on punishment not rehabilitation for minor crimes. The whole private prison system is a complete farce because the only way it can make money is by having more prisoners.

 

[the ringo kid]

Ringo, my man, I don't believe in coddling prisoners. This was really inhumane and they squeezed every penny out of people that were trying to help them. You could only visit if the prisoner made an 'appointment' for at a certain time of the week and you couldn't contact them to arrange anything not even get a message to them. I had to pay $20 every few days on this internet thing so that he could call us at all. One night he called us the guards started ragging him about nobody caring about him and he wasn't getting out for a long time. This kid had pot possession. He wasn't convicted of anything, he was waiting trial. I've found out more about the place and it's run like a medieval dungeon. My wife wrote to the state representative about some of this. The jail in the next county is known as the 'Palace' compared to this, but it is operated by the local government.

PS After a month of getting nowhere, me and the lawyer's paralegal went out one night to scrape up enough money to bail him out. She was so appalled that she lent me money out of her personal account just to get him out because I had a cap on my debit card. We went to the bond court in the same building at seven pm and we sat in the parking lot until 11:30 when they decided to let him out.

That was before Christmas and we just got our bond money back yesterday 4/16 after calling everybody in the county for weeks. My wife went to pick up the check rather than depend on them mailing it to us.

Very often I exaggerate for comic effect but this was no joke.

I hear ya and feel the same way. One thing I also feel they do not deserve--is cable TV. I also think they should not be allowed to use computers.

 

[the ringo kid]

Thankfully I haven't had anything to do with prisons but I watch the shows on TV and YT and the whole system seems completely out of control. I know there are some insanely criminal types and sex cases that deserve everything they get but a huge proportion seems to be locked up for petty crimes like weed and such. I believe once someone enters the prison system their whole life is ruined and the emphasis is on punishment not rehabilitation for minor crimes. The whole private prison system is a complete farce because the only way it can make money is by having more prisoners.

Believe me,it aint nothing likeTv and movies.

 

[rwsmith]

Definitely not....

I hear ya and feel the same way. One thing I also feel they do not deserve--is cable TV. I also think they should not be allowed to use computers.

Luxuries, computers, extras no way.

Holding them incommunicado. Wrong. We were extremely hampered in helping get this guy out because of no communication. He was in there over a month and the county messed up his paperwork bad (not the fault of the jail). It's not the time he was in as much the conditions.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

SOme observations from where I sit.

Being placed in prison IS the punishment-the feds realize this but many at the state level do not and that is where a lot of problems creep in.
The lock them up mentality has led to the proliferation of prisons and it's cheaper to build them with 24 man (or however many) pods than individual or two man cells. Riot waiting to happen.
Food is a pacifier. Feed them decently and it gives them something to look forward to in an otherwise intolerable existence.
Cable TV GIVES THEM SOMETHING TO DO all day other than fight f*** and plor mayhem. It also is something to take away as a discipline issue.
Prisons are powder kegs and the guards for the most part want to keep it at simmer rather than let it boil over.
I've been in a lot of jails and to tell you the trugh, a month in any one of tem for a rookie would do some serious mental harm. Definately no place to be.
Huddled up in the corner while the inmates take turn urinating on you because you got 30 days for a non support rap is pretty stiff if you ask me.

 

[the ringo kid]

Luxuries, computers, extras no way.

Holding them incommunicado. Wrong. We were extremely hampered in helping get this guy out because of no communication. He was in there over a month and the county messed up his paperwork bad (not the fault of the jail). It's not the time he was in as much the conditions.

They still have usage of pay phones as well as snail mail--that is all they need.

I remember catching a few of them using computers and pay phones--to run scams. One scam on the pay phone--was to call someone up--and have the charges billed to someone elses phone. It worked too. They also managed to pull scams using law library computers.