To Re-Load or Not???

All CCI 400 Primers for me... i had a hard time finding em also then got 5000 from Hi-Tech Ammo they have em in stock now..... and cheapest i have found... i also have about 40lbs, 2 diff lots, of the WC844 powder... what i now use exclusively... for the $$$ its a Great powder.. seems consistent, also seems ta need a bit more grains than the similar H335 it is supposed to resemble, at least in my tests, Butt never any issues yet and Brings my per rd $$ down even more


Side Not... GLAD we get ta keep our .223/5.56 Loading thread here.... always the 1st thread I read when i Pop On....


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John, you sure picked polar opposites to place your trust in. Grover, the mad experimenter; and me, who finds the cheapest stuff that works and sticks with that. hahaha

That are u trying ta say Bill:cool:

You 2 are my INSPIRATION as well

Hey.... what does THAT say about me:eek:

:D
 
Hey guys, you dont learn without experimenting, but I also listen closely to what Bill tells me. The shop where I buy my reloading stuff at convinced my wife yesterday that I am nickel and dimeing myself with powder so when I run out of my CFE223 (or get close anyway) I get to buy an 8lb keg...he has also started carrying the #41 primers for $38 for 1k or CCI #400 SRP for $28 for 1k. I like CCI primers and now am tossing up between the two but I will go back to CCI, I like them for all my different calibers.
 
Grover, that's a great price on the CCI 400. My LGS charges $41/1000...it's like paying the full hazmet fee for every 2K of primers you buy there. :mad:
 
Ok guys.... this ADDICTION is getting serious

Now have had guns for years, Hunted etc... Buddies have reloaded for me... but never done it or seen it done

Ive heard ya can start at about $200 upto $1500 for equipement. have done some FORUM searching but got frustraded so figured i'd Start with YOU awesome guys for help

My main rd would be .223, with some 9mm and .38 special

Ive also heard anywhere from .10 to .25 to re-load.... I have started KEEPING my brass, more for a buddy, but maybe me as well

So what is some real Current costs/rd to re-load.
Plus's vs minus'

How long would it take to re-load 100rds of .223

Anyways, as always, thanks guys..... just wondering if this is something I can justify TIME wise for me.....
Sitting here on my day off. just cleaned all my guns from yesterday... and now wondering what to do...LOL

Later


Stav

You are in good hands nowadays with the internet having sites like this. Let me toss in a slightly different angle - for what little my little knowledge is worth.
I started reloading 38 special lightly loaded lead bullets for a model 19 .357.

A Lyman 310 tool (looks like a hand exerciser and it is) worked fine for me. When I progressed to a RCBS single stage I lost interest - my children were young and loud.

Before you invest a lot of money determine your temperament. Will this relax you or add to other frustrations. My friends who reload find it very relaxing. I found it added to the other stresses in my life.

A Lyman 310 tool just neck sizes and works fine for light loads in the same revolver.

Lead bullets are wonderful for light loads, cheap and do not even lead the forcing cone much at lower loads. One article claimed shooting a few jacketed bullets took out most lead from barrel? I never noticed the difference.

Do read about safety. Apparently sizing and crimping shells is an art form with higher loads or semi-autos. When a 44 magnum recoils lightly crimped slugs can work their way forward (out from the shell) and lock up your gun (not good in polar bear country).
Opposite problem on semi-autos:
Semi-autos cannot be crimped into the slug because they headspace on the front of the shell. I believe they call that a taper crimp. Semi-autos usually hit the feed ramp and can push a slug back in a loosely crimped shell raising chamber pressures to dangerous levels. Definitely ask the experts about this.

I could only relax by watching TV while doing simple things. The Lyman 310 was great for putting in primers during commercials. I see they are still sold on the internet.
Fast burning powder was great because it was cheap. Not great if you accidentally load a double charge and blow up your gun. So I would put my sized, primed, and belled cases upside down until I scooped in the powder. Then immediately put in the lead slug.

I loved what little I was doing and when I bought an RCBS I never seemed to have time to get set up. You need an area set aside for such.

Go slow, learn the basics well, have a good time, save a few bucks. Then go back and read the basics again. Perhaps read about slugging your bore with a lead slug for exact size. Nowadays you can probably read about typical bore (groove) sizes for different makes of guns. Buy a micrometer. I used nickel (?) plated shells and never washed them.

Shooting lightly loaded 38 specials in a 357 means you never need to trim for case length. You do need to use a brass barrel brush inside your cylinder’s chambers before shooting 357 ammo. The lead in chamber (from shooting the shorter bullet) can raise pressures when a 357 shell is crammed in when not paying attention.
 
Sorry Stav, I am new at this and did not know this thread has been going on for last 6 months or so.
You must have the equivalent of a college education in this subject by now.
 
Hi guys,
I'm getting a new toy, RCBS Bench Mounted Primer Pocket Swager, RCBS Bench Mounted Primer Pocket Swager

They are now down to a good price and should make swaging easy and fast plus RCBS is having a rebate now.

Thanks for the info....I have tried a layman tool for removing the crimp and it doe not do a good job, leaves a 45 and a burr that hangs up the primers...a radius would be so much better for seating primers.
John
 
GMC man let us know about the pocket swager, my nephew took his first deer yesterday afternoon with a 308win loaded with the CFE223. I knew this powder was working great in my .223/5.56 loads and my 30-30 but after a short side trip to our range I am going to stay with it for my centerfire rifles. Earlier a question came up about what kind of loads do we use for 52/53gr bullets. I really like the 53gr V-Max's and load them to the same level and the 55gr. At a hundred yards they shoot just a little bit higher but the accuracy remains the same. I am wanting to try some Nosler 50gr, I cannot remember if they are ballistic tip or varmageddons. I do know that the varmageddons explode when they hit something and ricochets do not seem to happen at all. I just dont know what load would use with the 50's. I dislike how Hornady lumps certain weight bullets together in the same load page, like 50-55 or 150-155 or 165-168 and there are others. Testing has shown that the smallest deviation of one thing or another can change everything.. although I havent found primers to be that different, and as you all know I am not the benchrest king. I still wiggle even on the bipods!! :D LOL
 
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I sure will let you guys know how the new toy works,for some reason there seems to be a lot of military crimped brass here lol. Hopefully I will be finished testing my loads tomorrow and will post the finished data after all there are only 6 rounds oops i mean loads this time vs 11 like last time :cool:

Glad the cfe223 did so well for your nephew and congrats on the deer
 
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I went to the range today and here is the final load by a landslide

Wind SSW 10-15 mph
Temp---74
Humidity--65%
Altitude--0
Weather condition---Cloudy and warm
reloading dies---RCBS small base

Bullet-- 54.9 grain Winchester FMJ BT
CCI primer #41
CFE 223 -- 28.6 grains
avg velocity 3064 fps
COL 2.55
100 yard group--3/8 in

I had to discard 50 yards due to wind blowing target all over ( bad stand ) 100 yards I staked the target solid.

Note: Slight flattening of primer, but produced much better results overall.

results from the hand load calculator
 

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Hey what is everyone using to store their ammo and reloads, I have been using plastic MTM/Case guard boxes and plano boxes but I started loading rounds in stripper clips and bandoliers, if I have to bug out it would be alot easier to throw a few bandoliers over my shoulder instead of a handful of boxes?

GMCman...your only seeing a little flattening of the primer, what about powder build up or are you getting good burn? That is quite a bit higher than the recommended max load. Please be careful!

p.s. I can now say I am using clips and not be wrong LOL
 
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I use plastic bags and a mil ammo can. I will be able to tell you tomorrow when I clean her.
 
How many of you guys are using the standard small rifle primer and how many use a mil-spec primer like the CCI #41 ?
 
I will only use the CCI-41 or now the new wolf equivalent. The cost is close or the same most of the time.

CCI41 Military Small Rifle Primers $25.00/ 1000 or $125.00/5000

CCI450 Magnum Small Rifle Primers $25.00 per 1000

here is the reg primer

CCI400 Standard Small Rifle Primers $26.00 per 1000
 
i have had great results from the Beginning with CCI400 primers

have over 5k now and will most likely stick with these for awhile yet...

would try CCI 41 if cant find the 400 down the road
 

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