Trying to Like My Sigma...

[leejack]

No need to bash the sigma.

Get rid of it and get a kaboom 19. It pionts a little funny, but as a glocker, you'll soon learn to excuse that little design flaw.

 

[Cirrus]

Spend $350 on a Sigma. Then spend another $500 in time, ammo, and range fees and NOW you have a decent gun with a decent trigger when you could have bought a decent gun to start with!!

I get what he was trying to say. Who wants to spend $500 on ammo just to get the gun where it's halfway enjoyable to shoot? I could have put that $500 and the cost of the Sigma towards a better quality gun and enjoyed it from day one. The point wasn't lost one me.

But I see all sides of the story. I just personally find it hard for me to take a gun I don't like to the range and waste money on ammo. The times I've taken the Sigma, I end up leaving mad that I can't hit the broad side of a barn with it, mad that I just wasted X amount of money in ammo, and mad that the trigger stinks. And I feel like I shouldn't be mad when I'm doing something that I love doing, like going to the gun range. So in order for me to not be mad when I leave the gun range, I leave the Sigma sitting in the cabinet and take other guns that I enjoy shooting much more. So it's really a vicious circle. I don't take the gun to the range because I always leave mad and I can't get the gun to smooth out and learn to shoot it because I don't ever take it to the range.

 

[leejack]

I just can't believe that anyone who has bought a sigma in the last 10 years doesn't know what they're getting.

We see it all the time in the forums. People buy it with the hopes of turning it into something that it was never intended to be.

If you don't like the long heavy trigger, why buy it? If you simple don't have the skills or patients for it, than why buy it? But people do it all the time.

The sigma is what it is, we've covered this before. If you don't like it, just don't buy it.

The cast of thousands on the internet who have bashed the gun over the years will get no sympathy from me. It isn't, nor was it ever meant to be, a competitive target gun. The gun is not that difficult to shoot with reasonable combat/self defense accuracy.

I've watched my kids shoot the heck out of it, quite well I might add, without a single complaint.

Ours has been 100% reliable and 100% fun.

 

[Cirrus]

As I said, I didn't actually buy the gun. It was a gift.

And before I received it, I'd never heard anything about it before.

 

[Bat Guano]

Learn and APPLY the fundamentals of shooting, and stick to what works for you. I've been shooting 1911s since 1959, and while I shoot them pretty well. I carried and used DA revolvers for years with excellent results. I always have to "apply the fundamentals" to do anything other than make a loud noise. There is no free lunch here, no shortcuts, no gadgets.

Not all guns deliver the goods for all people. I cannot shoot Glocks or SIG 220s in SA/DA or DAO well, and moved on. Many people do well with them; I don't.

I picked up a 9VE because it was cheap, I was bored, and I already load 9mm for a BHP. I have been surprised by how well it performs for me. A 10.5# trigger with a fairly long pull is not a problem for me as long it doesn't stack and the letoff is fairly smooth. The only trigger work I've done is to put a drop of oil on the sear surfaces and dry fire the gun.

For the record, the worst trigger I have ever worked with was a Colt Trooper Mark III. It was heavy, stacked, and the letoff was like breaking a thick green twig. Nothing helped it. I could have had the gun for free and passed on it.

The Sigma is not a religion; like it or don't like it. I doubt anyone will be cast into the outer darkness for not having one.

I have become a bit interested in an M&P 45c because of my experience with the Sigma, and if I do I might get the heavy-triggered MA compliant version similar to the Sigma's trigger. If we could get enough bad press on this model it might result in a hefty rebate program. Along about the end of January would work out well for me.

 

[HspncElvis]

If you can find a shop that will take it, trade that thing in for a Glock 19. You will be much happier. I don't see the reasoning behind wanting to "master" a pistol which you know is a POS. Get rid of your father-in-laws mistake and get a good pistol.

It's obvious Dragon88 doesn't know what he's talking about. You master the Sigma, you can master any handgun. If your not man enough to master the Sigma, you best stick to a Crossman 10 Pump BB Gun. You may want to have THAT trigger modified.

Looks like Dragon88 would let the Sigma get the best of him. IF he has ever owned a Sigma. Maybe he put a few rounds through it and ran. Point, set, match. Dragon88, you lose! Sigma 1 Dragon88 0.

POS? So YOU say. It's obvious others disagree with you. I would think you want to master ANY firearm you are handeling. Sigma can, and has been mastered. It's a fine handgun.

 

[Cirrus]

If your not man enough to master the Sigma,

I think the point is, you don't have to master the Sigma. There are hundreds of other options available. And as someone else has already said, the Sigma isn't the end all/be all of guns, it's just another gun. And because someone happens to have "mastered" it, they're not instantly propelled to top of the hierarchy of the shooting culture.

 

[HspncElvis]

I think the point is, you don't have to master the Sigma. There are hundreds of other options available. And as someone else has already said, the Sigma isn't the end all/be all of guns, it's just another gun. And because someone happens to have "mastered" it, they're not instantly propelled to top of the hierarchy of the shooting culture.

I agree, Cirrus, but some say it's a POS, period! Wrong! How about "I think the Sigma is a POS because I can't seem to get the hang of it" I'd accept that. I think it's a fine, accurate, and reliable handgun. I have figured it out.

 

[Cirrus]

I can go along with that. It's just not for me.

 

[HspncElvis]

I can go along with that. It's just not for me.

And I can go along with what you just said. Ever thought of trying a Ruger SR9? Little more but I have seen great reviews.

 

[Cirrus]

Already have an SR9c for one of my carry guns. I do enjoy shooting it. But if I do end up selling the Sigma, I would probably prefer a non-polymer pistol.

 

[.357 mag]

I think the point is, you don't have to master the Sigma. There are hundreds of other options available.

Name 1 in the Sigma price range. I paided 299.00 for mine 8 years ago with 4 16 round mags. They sell now for 249.00-299.00.

 

[Cirrus]

Name 1 in the Sigma price range.

Are we really going to play this game?

EZ9
Bersa Thunder
Stoeger Couger
Taurus Millenium
Taurus 24/7

 

[HspncElvis]

Name 1 in the Sigma price range. I paided 299.00 for mine 8 years ago with 4 16 round mags. They sell now for 249.00-299.00.

357, well said. A point that I missed.

 

[.357 mag]

Are we really going to play this game?

EZ9
Bersa Thunder
Stoeger Couger
Taurus Millenium
Taurus 24/7

Yes, we can!

Taurus. Give me a break.
-lifetime warranty( You only have to paid for over night shipping both ways). I had a Rossi/Taurus 972 that broke and it was going to cost me 110 bucks to send it in. Sent in my 30 year old Smith 66 and it was fixed at zero cost to me.
-2 mags
-Taurus. Seriously??

Stoeger- Great gun
-only 2 mags
-1 year warranty?( I'm not sure,not lifetime)

What the world is a Ez9? Sounds like a "As seen on TV" item.


As for the Bersa Thunder
-everyone I've shot Jammed. (Don't think Single shot Pistols are in the same class.)

And then there is the Sigma
-$299.00
-4- 16 round mags
-A real lifetime warranty


I have 18,000 rounds though my Sigma without 1 FTF. All stock. I can hit a 4 inch spinner target out to 30 yards offhand. I've shot in 3 matches with it and have done better than most gun twice the price. All I'm saying is, its in a class all on its own. Is it my favorite gun to shoot? No. My 66-2 is with a heavier,longer trigger.

Are there some great deals out there? Yes.
- Stoeger Cougar
- SR9 ( I love this gun)
-SD9

All more money but good guns.

I'm not knocking your choice on the Sigma. If you don't like it, fine. As you have been told before, the guns not for everyone. Thats why there are hundreds of guns to choose from.

Good luck on your quest! I hope you find the right firearm for you.

.357 mag

 

[Cirrus]

You just said

Name 1 in the Sigma price range.

which I did.

Taurus. Give me a break.

Probably more people happy with their Taurus than people are with Sigmas. I'll be generous and say they're close to evenly matched. And

You only have to paid for over night shipping both ways

. Wrong! I sent a PT1911 back because the ambi-safety broke. Shipping was covered by Taurus on both directions. I wasn't out a dime.

What the world is a Ez9? Sounds like a "As seen on TV" item.

Must not get out much. Sig 226 variant, similar to the TZ99 and Charles Daly ZDA, both great guns with excellent reviews. Best9mm.com says this about the EZ9:

What the heck is Zastava? Zastava has been in business 90 years longer than Glock or H&K! Remember the awesome Charles Daly ZDA? The Zastava EZ is pretty much the same gun with minor changes like the 1913 rail. This Sig clone is very high quality and the finish is excellent. The Zastava EZ is a very tight pistol and takes a few hundred rounds to loosen up. The trigger is above average and should get even better with use. Zero ammo problems. The Zastava is very accurate for it's size. So fun to shoot! This is an $850 gun for half the price; making the EZ9 a real bargain. It ranks at #14 because it is that good! Zastava is a quality company that makes long guns for Remington.

As a matter of fact, I didn't see the Sigma even listed on best9mm.com's website?

And

As for the Bersa Thunder
-everyone I've shot Jammed.

Go check out Bersachat.com and see what's being said about the Thunder. I think you'll be a minority.

If you want to me a posterboy for the Sigma, go for it. Knock yourself out. Makes no difference to me. I'm not a big fan of kool-aid anyway.

 

[.357 mag]

You just said which I did.


Probably more people happy with their Taurus than people are with Sigmas. I'll be generous and say they're close to evenly matched. And . Wrong! I sent a PT1911 back because the ambi-safety broke. Shipping was covered by Taurus on both directions. I wasn't out a dime.

Thats good to here. So your Taurus broke huh?? Must be way better than my Sigma that hasn't broke yet.


Must not get out much.

Well I'm not on the internet all day and night searching gun reviews if thats what you mean.

Sig 226 variant, similar to the TZ99 and Charles Daly ZDA, both great guns with excellent reviews.

I don't buy knockoffs

Best9mm.com says this about the EZ9: As a matter of fact, I didn't see the Sigma even listed on best9mm.com's website?

Must be a big website. I bet everyone there cries like you when the trigger isn't 3 pounds or less.

And Go check out Bersachat.com and see what's being said about the Thunder. I think you'll be a minority.

Have you checked out the Sigma Forum? I think you'll be a minority.


If you want to me a posterboy for the Sigma, go for it. Knock yourself out. Makes no difference to me. I'm not a big fan of kool-aid anyway.

AAAWWW.. was that a rant? You must be one of those interent cowboys everyone is talking about.
As I said, good luck. Sounds like you need to sell your Sigma.

P.S. I changed my Signature just for you.

 

[Cirrus]

I'm confused. Did I accidentally post that at the Glock Talk forum? I could have sworn I typed in the address for the S&W Forum...

 

[writerinmo]

Sure sounds like he's been sippin' at the kool-aid over at best9mm.com, whoever they are...

And the EZ 'haggle' price is $410-$440, the Cougar is being made in Turkey?

I need to see about getting my 18 year old daughter on some sort of shooting team it looks like, since she had never shot a handgun before and put 14 in a 6" circle at 25 feet with my SW40VE...I guess there are "shooters" and "people who shoot guns", which one are you?

 

[HspncElvis]

My final thoughts....

For those of us who have figured out the Sigma; Shoot often, have fun, great gun!! Accurate and reliable.

For those of you who can't figure out the Sigma; Sell it ASAP. Get a handgun you can figure out and fits you best.