Monday when the prez was flying his latest "props" to DC on Air Force 1 at our expense to appear in his plea to Congress for more gun laws.....my county began our new "school protection" program.....we hired armed officers for all 22 schools in the county.....the vast majority of these officers are retired federal, state, county or city leo's. Perimeter doors are secured and the officer is posted at the front door where they screen incoming visitors. They are armed, in uniform and have radios, a marked unit sits outside to announce their presence. There is a proposal before the state legislature to require armed officers in every school in the state, but it is not certain whether that bill will be proceed or not.
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4x4moses
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In previous years, I often thought of Wayne LaPierre as kinda "out-there" in his thinking. Not any more. I agree with him: "the only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun." I am former LEO, now a school teacher at a small private school. If authorized, I would gladly come to school armed. I wish there were armed officers in every school building in America. Being a "gun free zone" makes us a "risk free killing field" for crazies, cranks, and criminals.
tlay
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I am sure if the states would allow guns to be used in their gun free school zones there are alot of retired ex-military and ex-cops that would donate their time to protect the schools. I know I would. I just don't understand their thinking that making more gun laws will stop school shootings. If just one family who has had a madman kill their child would sue the school district and state for not protecting their child I think we would see more schools change.
I would even volunteer to help find the funds for the families attorney funds. I say it is time we stop talking and start doing!
I would even volunteer to help find the funds for the families attorney funds. I say it is time we stop talking and start doing!
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The sentiments voiced in the above post's were precisely my communities feelings after the Sandy Hook incident. The school board, the police chief and sheriff put their heads together along with input from the community. Volunteers were looked at, but at the end of the day we went for "seasoned" leo's.....who as I mentioned were retired or nearing retirement. Yes, I watched the news conference with the NRA and the media one week after the tragedy and Wayne was jeered at from the press......I am proud of how my "local's" put the interest of our kid's first rather than a political agenda.
I have two grand kids in the county schools.
The sentiments voiced in the above post's were precisely my communities feelings after the Sandy Hook incident. The school board, the police chief and sheriff put their heads together along with input from the community. Volunteers were looked at, but at the end of the day we went for "seasoned" leo's.....who as I mentioned were retired or nearing retirement. Yes, I watched the news conference with the NRA and the media one week after the tragedy and Wayne was jeered at from the press......I am proud of how my "local's" put the interest of our kid's first rather than a political agenda.
I have two grand kids in the county schools.
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I would like to see a training program for any faculty members that were interested. Someone in a uniform would help a lot, for someone determined that person in a uniform is only wearing a target. When the gunman has to worry about every person in the school possibly being armed....
Sandy Hook is a national tragedy and I'm sure this nation as a whole shed more than a few tears for those precious children that were slaughtered by that psychopath. And as sad and tragic as it is, the real issue is not that he had weapons he should have never had access too - it was the fact that this mentally disturbed man was lose on the streets. This tragedy and the ones in other places are being committed by people in need of intense mental health therapy.The government first closed up the psychiatric facilites and relased many people.The government said their behavior could be controlled with medication. Then the government, a few years later, took the medication away. And now, we are left with the Columbines, Sandy Hooks and the government answer is to restrict weapons, ammunition and magazines from those people who pose no threat, are sane (well - almost all), and follow the law. It seems to me our government official identified the wrong issue - gun control not mental health and then identified the general public as the group of people causing the problem. I fail to see how this makes any sense.
tlay
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I am an NRA pistol instructor. I will give free leasons to any school teacher in N. Georgia that would like to be trained. You can contact me with a P.M. or by my e-mail.
lagavulin62
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Is it wise to reason with madmen who have no respect for the history of this nation?
HereSinceTheLongHunters
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Results from the investigation of A. Lanza'a home summarized that he had done an unprecedented amount of study/preparation and attacked an unprotected grade school in pursuit of a large kill "score". The report was only out for one day, and was promptly squashed because it supported the common sense conclusion that we've been too lax in protecting our schools.
Allowing qualified retired LEOs and vets the job of protecting our schools is a great way to reward them for their service... and allow them to continue to make use of their training and wisdom. Today's kids could benefit a lot from the presence and influence of some of our grandfatherly finest!
IMHO: The POTUS' use of Air Force One to ferry a unilaterally biased group to and from DC in the pursuit of a personal agenda literally spits in the eye of Democracy. More so when I hear that cancer treatment is being denied to some because of the sequester...
Allowing qualified retired LEOs and vets the job of protecting our schools is a great way to reward them for their service... and allow them to continue to make use of their training and wisdom. Today's kids could benefit a lot from the presence and influence of some of our grandfatherly finest!
IMHO: The POTUS' use of Air Force One to ferry a unilaterally biased group to and from DC in the pursuit of a personal agenda literally spits in the eye of Democracy. More so when I hear that cancer treatment is being denied to some because of the sequester...
I am somewhat perplexed at the willingness of the Sandy Hook victims' families to continue to be represented by the anti-gun legislators. It makes me sick to see them parading those grieving family members out at every public hearing. It would seem to me they would be better served and protected by embracing the NRA's positions on school security to prevent this from happening again. I guess this is why we are losing the battle.
Up here, they lock all the doors and you have to buzz the office to have someone come open up for you.
explorer13421
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"Gun free zones" are simply target rich environments for a mentally ill person who thinks that violence against others with a knife or gun is a way to get notice or revenge for perceived bullying. Do away with the delusion of "gun free zones," including schools. Take the signs down and let it be known that there are armed people at schools without disclosing which schools and when the armed people are there. There doesn't have to be an armed person at every school all day long for the crazies to get the message that the chance of running into armed resistance is significant.
Second, defending a static position is not the same as writing traffic tickets, investigating burglaries or murders, or executing felony warrants. Most of the skills of retired law enforcement or military have no application to the school setting. Hardening those targets and implementing defensive policies is pretty specialized. Perhaps the most important task is to establish credibility and demonstrate judgment so that faculty, staff and students will offer information about possible risks so that preincident intervention is possible. However, that would not have been effective at Newtown CT as the shooter had no current involvement in the school.
Second, defending a static position is not the same as writing traffic tickets, investigating burglaries or murders, or executing felony warrants. Most of the skills of retired law enforcement or military have no application to the school setting. Hardening those targets and implementing defensive policies is pretty specialized. Perhaps the most important task is to establish credibility and demonstrate judgment so that faculty, staff and students will offer information about possible risks so that preincident intervention is possible. However, that would not have been effective at Newtown CT as the shooter had no current involvement in the school.
Again, the governments, federal and state make no sense in their decision making process. The use of AF-1 is nothing but grandstanding and I, myself would not agree to letting the President or any elected official use me as a carrot. The sad part is when you go to the airport, TSA can deny you entry, search your baggage, and search you in ways - I won't go into that here - but are totally in appropriate and they search small children, the elderly, the infirmed - it doesn't matter but you want to get access to a school no problem. The door maybe locked but bring a tool and your in, and no one is there to stop you except an untrained teacher or principal. JMO - your children are the most precious and valuable asset this country has and yet we leave them unprotected.
I saw a bumper sticker that said it all "Reelect no one". I agree.
truckemup97
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My daughter's school (private) has several armed security officers on campus. The campus is fenced with two entry/exit points. Both are open at 8:00 and 3:00, but only one is open when school is in session. There is a guard at the gate that checks every car going in for a sticker. If you don't have a sticker, you are stopped, questioned, and asked for ID. There are two "open" doors while school is in session, one on the middle/high school side, one on elementary. Both are watched by staff members who require you to sign in and state your business. Monitors at the desk give them a view of several security cameras. An armed officer is usually roaming the grounds and parking lots, with another walking around inside the school. All of this security slows me down by about a minute and a half when I need to go to the school, so there's very little inconvenience to parents or visitors.
The kicker is that they provide all this security, and a top notch, college prep, Christian education for $3000 less per year than our local public schools spend per student. Lots of folks will tell you that we can't afford security officers in out schools. I say it's a matter of priorities.
The kicker is that they provide all this security, and a top notch, college prep, Christian education for $3000 less per year than our local public schools spend per student. Lots of folks will tell you that we can't afford security officers in out schools. I say it's a matter of priorities.
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They don't think that at all, and I'm not convinced that certain anti-gunners care the slightest bit about those kids, or any other kids.
It's all about the advancement of their anti-gun agenda, and dead kids and grieving parents are nothing more than convenient theatrical props for them.
They have been caught saying it - "Don't let a good crisis go to waste."
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tlay
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I guess with the knife attacks on the college campus in Texas we will have to outlaw knives. If a madman wants to kill inocent victims he will use whatever tool he can find, gun, knife, hammer, it does not matter. Making a new law won't stop them only an armed and trained good guy will.
duppie
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When the conversation of armed guards or police officers in American schools arose around the dinner table recently with my Filipino wife and our friends they looked at me with bored expressions and uttered "So basically an average school day in Manila?"
Rintimtin
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Where I live, and when I was in school we had Resource Officers, they were county police officers that held an office at our school, they would walk the halls check the doors etc. etc. The students knew them by their names, their was a marked car out in front of the school. We never had a shooting or a stabbing. Once while out for summer break some punks shot at the school but no one was there.
I am not a parent but I think maybe some parents should start stepping up and teaching their kids that bullying is wrong, and if the kid see's it they should say something. But that wouldn't be cool now would it. When I was in school I would stick up for kids being bullied I just thought it was the right thing to do. And the kids doing the bullying were usually the ones smoking in the bathroom or talking about drugs and drinking. Don't get me wrong I was no saint in school but just had two separate worlds I guess.
I am not a parent but I think maybe some parents should start stepping up and teaching their kids that bullying is wrong, and if the kid see's it they should say something. But that wouldn't be cool now would it. When I was in school I would stick up for kids being bullied I just thought it was the right thing to do. And the kids doing the bullying were usually the ones smoking in the bathroom or talking about drugs and drinking. Don't get me wrong I was no saint in school but just had two separate worlds I guess.
I'd like to emphasize your point.
The problem was NOT the guns. If this guy had no access to guns he still could have easily done his dirty work.
HereSinceTheLongHunters
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Had a lively discussion yesterday with someone who was just sick of all these stupid gun people not caring about those dead kids. I said drunk drivers kill lots of kids. Ban alcohol and you won't have that problem... and she says: " ..but that's not fair to me !!"..and it got real quiet.
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