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That's called "confirmation bias", but what you're claiming is contempt prior to investigation. The Leininger story goes well beyond confirmation bias, and you would know if you studied what Dr. Tucker and others know and the parent's story.
Obviously you are being silly and have not studied this closely. You're acting as if you're an authority on the topic but you clearly are not. For all you reading this, Old Arkansawyer obviously hasn't read the Leininger's book or Tucker's books on the subject. If he did, he didn't read them carefully and is suffering from his own confirmation bias. But my money is on him never reading any of them. He obviously has a problem with the concept of reincarnation and is being a naysayer.
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Our church actually had two churches one on top of the other. Low one was called the lower church and the upper one the upper church. Anyway, one of my few times sitting in the lower church mass was in progress. All of a sudden this black shape with what appears to be wings flies up from the floor and disappears into the ceiling of the upper church. There was some confusion at that time, You could see people looking around. Saw a neighbor friend of my mom. So in walking her home I asked "did you see anything unusual" Then she related this black thing flying out of what seemed the floor and up to the ceiling. I replied "well there's two of us then that saw it. Frank
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"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is contempt prior to investigation." – Herbert Spencer
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IMHO the whole paranormal/gift of prophecy thing has been discredited by hucksters and careerists trying to make a buck off the thing.
Reminds me of a conversation I had years ago. I was trying to explain the idea of being a Theist to an acquaintance who was a pretty committed Evangelical Christian. I told him the good part of being a Theist is yes, He is up there and Yes, He does communicate with you directly.
"The bad part?"
"He makes clear that all communications are private and confidential,between you and Him. If you make an outlandish claim, He won't back you up."
I have always liked this scene from an episode of "Captain Midnight"-"The Secret Room". The Captain and Ikky are flying back in the Silver Dart from a seance with "Swami Yegora".
Captain Midnight: "I tell you Ikky that swami is just as phony as my Uncle George!"
Ikky:"WHAT !"
Captain Midnight: "I never had any Uncle George. I just played along with his gag to see what would happen."
One friend told me he very frequently experienced deja vu-visiting buildings, places where he knew he had never been before, but seemed very familiar.
Reminds me of a conversation I had years ago. I was trying to explain the idea of being a Theist to an acquaintance who was a pretty committed Evangelical Christian. I told him the good part of being a Theist is yes, He is up there and Yes, He does communicate with you directly.
"The bad part?"
"He makes clear that all communications are private and confidential,between you and Him. If you make an outlandish claim, He won't back you up."
I have always liked this scene from an episode of "Captain Midnight"-"The Secret Room". The Captain and Ikky are flying back in the Silver Dart from a seance with "Swami Yegora".
Captain Midnight: "I tell you Ikky that swami is just as phony as my Uncle George!"
Ikky:"WHAT !"
Captain Midnight: "I never had any Uncle George. I just played along with his gag to see what would happen."
One friend told me he very frequently experienced deja vu-visiting buildings, places where he knew he had never been before, but seemed very familiar.
Many years ago we had one last German Shepard as the other 3 were buried in our yard. This one would always scratch at the back door to come in. Well he took ill eventually and we had to have him put down at the vet. I could not bring myself to digging another huge grave...again. So we decided to leave him at the vet to be disposed of.
For the next 6 months I would be watching TV in the living room and all of a sudden hear him scratching at the door! So much so and clearly that I would get up and go to the door and look to see what/who/whatever was there. Nothing was there. This did not end for almost 6 months.
Then around that 6 month time frame we received a thank you letter in the mail from Virginia Polytechnic Institute (VPI college) office of the veterinary school for our donation of our dog! And that's when the scratching stopped.
This upset me greatly, I was saddened, heart broke, and very mad at myself for not taking him home with us to bury. Did the vet not on purpose give him enough of the shot? I was with him when this was done and he was as the vet said, gone. Or was this my HELL to live with his spirit because I did not take him home? No one said anything about this to us either.
This much I can say 25 years later, besides the 3 Shepard's buried in my yard I also have 4 Chihuahuas and one parrot buried. I will never ever not bury my pets again. And I still feel bad about this to this day.
For the next 6 months I would be watching TV in the living room and all of a sudden hear him scratching at the door! So much so and clearly that I would get up and go to the door and look to see what/who/whatever was there. Nothing was there. This did not end for almost 6 months.
Then around that 6 month time frame we received a thank you letter in the mail from Virginia Polytechnic Institute (VPI college) office of the veterinary school for our donation of our dog! And that's when the scratching stopped.
This upset me greatly, I was saddened, heart broke, and very mad at myself for not taking him home with us to bury. Did the vet not on purpose give him enough of the shot? I was with him when this was done and he was as the vet said, gone. Or was this my HELL to live with his spirit because I did not take him home? No one said anything about this to us either.
This much I can say 25 years later, besides the 3 Shepard's buried in my yard I also have 4 Chihuahuas and one parrot buried. I will never ever not bury my pets again. And I still feel bad about this to this day.
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Reminds me of the Eddie Murphy bit about Poltergeist. I'd post a link, but language.
Far better to live your life as if there is a God, and then upon dying find out there isn't, then to live your life as if there isn't a God, and upon dying find out there is.
I don't have to see a ghost to know there are such, just as I don't have to see a UFO (something I have seen) to know they exist.
The mysteries of this universe are far greater than we humans will ever know.
How many of you saw the rent in the fabric of the universe that took place back about 1992-3. There are pictures of it, but I have never seen them or an explanation of it since then. I was driving from Tucumcari NM to Amarillo TX and much closer to Amarillo when I saw the event. I don't remember seeing it close up but since it is no longer there what am I supposed to think, that it didn't happen when I know it did? Surely some of you LEP saw it? Will you not come fwd to confirm my vision?
I don't have to see a ghost to know there are such, just as I don't have to see a UFO (something I have seen) to know they exist.
The mysteries of this universe are far greater than we humans will ever know.
How many of you saw the rent in the fabric of the universe that took place back about 1992-3. There are pictures of it, but I have never seen them or an explanation of it since then. I was driving from Tucumcari NM to Amarillo TX and much closer to Amarillo when I saw the event. I don't remember seeing it close up but since it is no longer there what am I supposed to think, that it didn't happen when I know it did? Surely some of you LEP saw it? Will you not come fwd to confirm my vision?
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Truthfulness and documented are pretty high bars to expect from the mainstream news media nowadays. If it sells advertising, copy or meets a certain agenda is more likely the current standard for broadcasting or publication. If paranormal activity fit into one of those categories, that is when I would expect to see stories to running non-stop.
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As to me being an authority on anything you can say I am not
and be correct. On the other hand reading a couple books on
a subject doesn't make you one either.
Again if there is irrefutable evidence of previous lives or one
being reincarnated please present said proofs.
I do not have to disprove Dr. Tuckers or Leininger's claims,
it's for them to scientifically prove them, which I might add
they have not.
Bias, well if not believing the two sources you mention as well
as other science fiction writings, then yes I am biased. I stated
above I am a skeptic and also not as gullible as some people.
Myself , I have never experienced anything of the sort . Don't want to . My wife is a huge believer that your family members come back to visit you . She has experienced many things over the years . Her late Mom and Dad did too . Some of the kids in the family did as well when they were very young . I can't say what is true and what isn't .
I have a good one . Two of my aunts accidentally emigrated from Europe shortly after Poland was invaded. Once we declared war,they couldn't go back or communicate with family back home.Both married gis. Ray was assigned to the 10th mtn division at Camp Hale,CO.At some point during or just after the war Ray and Elsa took a drive up to Leadville and went to the matchless mine where Baby Doe Tabor lived out her final years in a shack,penniless, hanging on to the mine as Horace had told her to.When they got there Elsa saw an old woman with a frightening face staring at her through the window and it scared her to death.She demanded they leave. Elsa told me this story in her late 80s and it still spooked her all those years later. Elsa died a few years later and it was a decade after that when it dawned on me that they were at the Matchless sometime in the 40s,but Baby Doe had been found frozen to death in her shack in 1936
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Do you or anyone else know of any evidence to the contrary regarding the James Leininger story, for example? If so, I'd love to hear it if you do and I am not being facetious.
That said, people often like to say things like "people are just going to believe what they want to believe," and that certainly IS true, but many don't realize when they are on the wrong side of truth when they express that notion.
Between the documented, catalogued & coded cases of children with past life memories and NDEs (Near Death Experiences), the evidence that our consciousness survives after the physical death of our bodies is so overwhelming now that just in the past ten years or so the onus is now on skeptics to disprove these things. If that sounds like a strong statement, and it is, people need to merely research the evidence properly.
It is important to realize our court system does not require proof for a reason. It only requires proof beyond reasonable doubt, and this is necessary because you can play the skeptic about anything.
In fact, we'd never settle any matters in court if we required "proof" because we can always come up with some kind of argument against ANY case. We can even claim we're not really standing or sitting here right now, and that's why it is important to keep in mind that virtually everything you and I believe is only based on evidence beyond a reasonable doubt rather than fact (and many times we don't even have reasonableness to cling to).
In matters concerning what we're talking about here (life after death & reincarnation), when you weigh the preponderance of evidence in favor of children's past lives and NDE's, according to the department head of the University of Virginia's Division of Perceptual studies, we now have compelling scientific evidence of our consciousness surviving outside of and beyond our physical existence.
Again, I'm not claiming there is absolute "proof" of our consciousness surviving our physical death—there is no such proof of even the existence of viruses [if you doubt this, read virologist Stefan Lanka), but there is so much evidence supporting the phenomenon now that it is silly to dismiss it.
No one, including me, should state that the survival of consciousness is "fact", but certainly anyone dismissing the claim out of hand has not been scrutinizing the evidence in my opinion.
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Harrison
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The USS Lexington CV16 IS haunted.
Sheepdogged I am not familiar with the James Leininger story nor do I need to be. The proof is on the one making the hypothesis, not the doubters. Reasonable doubt is for court rooms, not science. There has never been one single documented case of scientifically proven paranormal activity of any kind. Reincarnation, life after death, brain activity after being declared brain dead for some time and being in an advanced stage of decay? All fantasy. NO scientific proof ever. And as for getting answers about your life questions after you die? That doesn't even deserve a comment. To have an intelligent self awareness of yourself and think that you will have an existence that isn't even the blink of an eye in eternity seems too unfair to possible be true. So people simply deny it. The Universe couldn't possibly be so cruel. But science says otherwise.
Unexplained things.
My brother being married three times
My brother being married three times
Until I personally witness anything on the subject of extra-terrestrial visitors, ghosts, etc. I'm going to call BUNK. My wife and I go a few rounds over this from time to time, she's sure she witnessed a few things...the mind can do and often does strange things. I've come close but always found some reason why I heard some noise, etc. In general others believe that if you are not susceptible or are a doubter you will never see anything, I like to think susceptible is weak in the mind and I was born a doubter, to quote B.B. King "Nobody loves me except my mother, and she could be jiving too." Like most human beings I enjoy a good scare but can honestly with some regret admit that I have never in my life seen anything that I could not explain. Once about 40 years ago while camping in the most Northeast portion of Washington state I heard a cry in the night that raised the hair on the back of my neck, I've heard my fair share of wierd coyote and cougar calls but this was a low pitched moaning call I'd never heard before, fairly loud too...needless to say I did not go for a walk by the dark of the moon that night. I still believe it was not big foot, probably an amorous bear or some hillbilly high on shrooms.
The Good Book says "Absent from the body present with the Lord". Doesn't say anything about lingering on, Haints or reincarnation.
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So many ossified minds!!! I would venture to speculate that not a one of them has ever done an iota of research into the subject.
It would not surprise me a bit that if they were confronted face-to-face with the visage of years passed granny that they would pass out cold, then come to and claim temporary insanity, or that it was a reflection from passing headlights.
Coconuts are a tough thing to crack.
It would not surprise me a bit that if they were confronted face-to-face with the visage of years passed granny that they would pass out cold, then come to and claim temporary insanity, or that it was a reflection from passing headlights.
Coconuts are a tough thing to crack.
RobertJ.
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Exactly. And as far as reincarnation is concerned:
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"
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