Unexplained things/paranormal stuff….

Who knows if any of it's real or just figments of our imaginations. I've had a few experiences over the years that gave me pause,but didn't freak me out. When you think that just 10,000 years ago our ancestors had just started farming while others were still hunting and gathering,we haven't come very far and don't really know much. 1000 years from now our descendants will probably laugh about us ;-)
 
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I have seen departed dogs out of the corner of my eye.

A high school friend killed herself after a terrible family fight. It was pretty hard on those of us who were involved with my Explorer post; one of the advisors had a hell of a time with it. Some time later, I saw a reflection in a store window of a car like her family had, with her driving a few other girls around as she would have done. I quickly turned around and there was no car of any type in sight.

She was pretty perceptive about some parts of me that I kept away from most people. I wonder if there was some linkage as a result. I was about 650 miles away from our home town when I saw the reflection, so it was not an existing imprint in my mind.
 
FWIW. I don't think I've told this here before. It happened in 2012. I was working in Rockingham County NC. There was a murder trial coming up and I was detailed to serve a paper to an eyewitness. Older woman who lived alone. House was out in the sticks, as was most of my jurisdiction.

It was early December and cold. Snow was in the forecast, but that afternoon was sunny. I rolled up to the house and walked up on the porch. Banged on the door and announced myself. No answer. But I could hear a television on inside. Banged again. No answer. I left.

It started snowing later in the afternoon. I decided that since the house was on my way home, I would attempt service one more time. I rolled up and could see the blue hued light of a television coming through the blinds on the front window. I grabbed my Maglite and walked up on the porch. I rapped the flashlight against the door frame and announced myself. I again could hear the television and see its light through the blinds. Nobody came to the door. I gave 5 more forceful raps on the frame and announced again - loudly. No answer. I walked back to the car.

As I got in the front seat of the Crown Vic, I glanced back at the house and saw someone peaking out through the blinds. That annoyed me, but I figured maybe the old gal is hard of hearing. I went back up on the porch and rapped the door frame several times. Loudly. No response at the door. Same blue light and television noise. Cold and wet now, I left.

On my way into the office the next morning, I stopped again and attempted service. You could see the remnants of my foot prints in the snow and the tire tracks from my Crown Vic. No other prints or marks. It was getting light out, but you could faintly see the blue light from the still playing television and I could still hear it when I got up on the porch. Same drill - BANG!BANG!BANG! COME TO THE DOOR! Nothing. No reponse. But I noticed the blue light from the TV was gone and I couldn't hear it anymore. Frustrated, I left.

When I got into the office the secretary called out to me. I went into her office and she said "You still have that Subpeona for the witness in the homicide case?" "I just spoke to her daughter. She passed away last April and the house is vacant now. They have it up for sale." :o I just nodded and shrugged. And kept my experience to myself. ;) Regards 18DAI
 
18DAI said:
FWIW. I don't think I've told this here before. It happened in 2012. I was working in Rockingham County NC. There was a murder trial coming up and I was detailed to serve a paper to an eyewitness. Older woman who lived alone. House was out in the sticks, as was most of my jurisdiction.

It was early December and cold. Snow was in the forecast, but that afternoon was sunny. I rolled up to the house and walked up on the porch. Banged on the door and announced myself. No answer. But I could hear a television on inside. Banged again. No answer. I left.

It started snowing later in the afternoon. I decided that since the house was on my way home, I would attempt service one more time. I rolled up and could see the blue hued light of a television coming through the blinds on the front window. I grabbed my Maglite and walked up on the porch. I rapped the flashlight against the door frame and announced myself. I again could hear the television and see its light through the blinds. Nobody came to the door. I gave 5 more forceful raps on the frame and announced again - loudly. No answer. I walked back to the car.

As I got in the front seat of the Crown Vic, I glanced back at the house and saw someone peaking out through the blinds. That annoyed me, but I figured maybe the old gal is hard of hearing. I went back up on the porch and rapped the door frame several times. Loudly. No response at the door. Same blue light and television noise. Cold and wet now, I left.

On my way into the office the next morning, I stopped again and attempted service. You could see the remnants of my foot prints in the snow and the tire tracks from my Crown Vic. No other prints or marks. It was getting light out, but you could faintly see the blue light from the still playing television and I could still hear it when I got up on the porch. Same drill - BANG!BANG!BANG! COME TO THE DOOR! Nothing. No reponse. But I noticed the blue light from the TV was gone and I couldn't hear it anymore. Frustrated, I left.

When I got into the office the secretary called out to me. I went into her office and she said "You still have that Subpeona for the witness in the homicide case?" "I just spoke to her daughter. She passed away last April and the house is vacant now. They have it up for sale." :o I just nodded and shrugged. And kept my experience to myself. ;) Regards 18DAI
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Well done sir ! ...Thanks for sharing that .... Gave me CHILLS !!
All we need now is Rod Serling and the Twilight Zone music ...... YIKES.
 
walkin jack said:
Now that right there is scary. I've always thought that if there is a benefit to death it would be that you don't have to worry about anything or anyone anymore. Depending upon the nature of the consciousness I might have been mistaken.
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Young James did say that you don't have to come back. It's easy to wonder how dependable a 3 year old can be, but his mother asked him if God was a man or woman, and he said, he's neither man or woman, he's whatever you need him to be at the time. He was only three!
 
The James Leininger story is crazy spooky. You also get to evaluate interviews with his parents which gives you a chance to get a sense if they're for real. Everyone gets to evaluate that for themselves, but when you're done, you're likely going to walk away thinking "holy ____!"
 
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

This...

Some people are more open or aware to such things than others, for better or worse.

I've had it happen to me a few times- one example.

My friend and I practiced martial arts together overseas for a long time- he stayed over there a lot longer than me finished the system and became very skilled. I was never good at it but I enjoyed it and got benefit from the practice.

We went different ways lost contact if there was any fault it was mine. Sad to hear that he passed on fairly young never imagined it could happen the man was very healthy and had no vices- drugs, drink, smoke nothing like that- a healthy living, trained high level martial arts fighter

Few years ago he passed on sudden..

On his death date a year ago- I lit a candle for him, in a old glass candle holder with a picture & some joss. That's a Pinoy / Chinese martial arts custom.

A few minutes after I put it up maybe 1/2 hour the candle holder shattered.

That kind of stuff can make you think..
 
Old Arkansawyer said:
This seems to be a classic case of stating something as fact and
then searching for only those things that confirm this.
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That's called "confirmation bias", but what you're claiming is contempt prior to investigation. The Leininger story goes well beyond confirmation bias, and you would know if you studied what Dr. Tucker and others know and the parent's story.

Old Arkansawyer said:
As far as reincarnation, there has never been a documented case where an outside objective proof was found.
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Old Arkansawyer said:
Sounds like Tuckers religious beliefs he is trying to prove, so much for that. Childern can be coached to say about anything if they think it pleases the adult.

The Leininger's story has zero evidence except what they them-selves claim. And they write a book to profit from this story. Could they have embellished these claims just to make a few bucks. Greed maybe involved??
Bottom line is Tucker and Leiningers have Zero (0) objective
proof of any of their claims. Believe what you want but please
have a rational reason for doing so.
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Obviously you are being silly and have not studied this closely. You're acting as if you're an authority on the topic but you clearly are not. For all you reading this, Old Arkansawyer obviously hasn't read the Leininger's book or Tucker's books on the subject. If he did, he didn't read them carefully and is suffering from his own confirmation bias. But my money is on him never reading any of them. He obviously has a problem with the concept of reincarnation and is being a naysayer.
 
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Our church actually had two churches one on top of the other. Low one was called the lower church and the upper one the upper church. Anyway, one of my few times sitting in the lower church mass was in progress. All of a sudden this black shape with what appears to be wings flies up from the floor and disappears into the ceiling of the upper church. There was some confusion at that time, You could see people looking around. Saw a neighbor friend of my mom. So in walking her home I asked "did you see anything unusual" Then she related this black thing flying out of what seemed the floor and up to the ceiling. I replied "well there's two of us then that saw it. Frank
 
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is contempt prior to investigation." – Herbert Spencer
 
IMHO the whole paranormal/gift of prophecy thing has been discredited by hucksters and careerists trying to make a buck off the thing.
Reminds me of a conversation I had years ago. I was trying to explain the idea of being a Theist to an acquaintance who was a pretty committed Evangelical Christian. I told him the good part of being a Theist is yes, He is up there and Yes, He does communicate with you directly.
"The bad part?"
"He makes clear that all communications are private and confidential,between you and Him. If you make an outlandish claim, He won't back you up."
I have always liked this scene from an episode of "Captain Midnight"-"The Secret Room". The Captain and Ikky are flying back in the Silver Dart from a seance with "Swami Yegora".
Captain Midnight: "I tell you Ikky that swami is just as phony as my Uncle George!"
Ikky:"WHAT !"
Captain Midnight: "I never had any Uncle George. I just played along with his gag to see what would happen."
One friend told me he very frequently experienced deja vu-visiting buildings, places where he knew he had never been before, but seemed very familiar.
 
Many years ago we had one last German Shepard as the other 3 were buried in our yard. This one would always scratch at the back door to come in. Well he took ill eventually and we had to have him put down at the vet. I could not bring myself to digging another huge grave...again. So we decided to leave him at the vet to be disposed of.

For the next 6 months I would be watching TV in the living room and all of a sudden hear him scratching at the door! So much so and clearly that I would get up and go to the door and look to see what/who/whatever was there. Nothing was there. This did not end for almost 6 months.

Then around that 6 month time frame we received a thank you letter in the mail from Virginia Polytechnic Institute (VPI college) office of the veterinary school for our donation of our dog! And that's when the scratching stopped.

This upset me greatly, I was saddened, heart broke, and very mad at myself for not taking him home with us to bury. Did the vet not on purpose give him enough of the shot? I was with him when this was done and he was as the vet said, gone. Or was this my HELL to live with his spirit because I did not take him home? No one said anything about this to us either.

This much I can say 25 years later, besides the 3 Shepard's buried in my yard I also have 4 Chihuahuas and one parrot buried. I will never ever not bury my pets again. And I still feel bad about this to this day.
 
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Far better to live your life as if there is a God, and then upon dying find out there isn't, then to live your life as if there isn't a God, and upon dying find out there is.

I don't have to see a ghost to know there are such, just as I don't have to see a UFO (something I have seen) to know they exist.

The mysteries of this universe are far greater than we humans will ever know.

How many of you saw the rent in the fabric of the universe that took place back about 1992-3. There are pictures of it, but I have never seen them or an explanation of it since then. I was driving from Tucumcari NM to Amarillo TX and much closer to Amarillo when I saw the event. I don't remember seeing it close up but since it is no longer there what am I supposed to think, that it didn't happen when I know it did? Surely some of you LEP saw it? Will you not come fwd to confirm my vision?
 
alwslate said:
When there is ever one true documented case of paranormal activity you will see it in the typical large red letters, BREAKING NEWS, on your tv screen. I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Truthfulness and documented are pretty high bars to expect from the mainstream news media nowadays. If it sells advertising, copy or meets a certain agenda is more likely the current standard for broadcasting or publication. If paranormal activity fit into one of those categories, that is when I would expect to see stories to running non-stop.
 
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Sheepdogged said:
That's called "confirmation bias", but what you're claiming is contempt prior to investigation. The Leininger story goes well beyond confirmation bias, and you would know if you studied what Dr. Tucker and others know and the parent's story.





Obviously you are being silly and have not studied this closely. You're acting as if you're an authority on the topic but you clearly are not. For all you reading this, Old Arkansawyer obviously hasn't read the Leininger's book or Tucker's books on the subject. If he did, he didn't read them carefully and is suffering from his own confirmation bias. But my money is on him never reading any of them. He obviously has a problem with the concept of reincarnation and is being a naysayer.
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As to me being an authority on anything you can say I am not
and be correct. On the other hand reading a couple books on
a subject doesn't make you one either.
Again if there is irrefutable evidence of previous lives or one
being reincarnated please present said proofs.
I do not have to disprove Dr. Tuckers or Leininger's claims,
it's for them to scientifically prove them, which I might add
they have not.
Bias, well if not believing the two sources you mention as well
as other science fiction writings, then yes I am biased. I stated
above I am a skeptic and also not as gullible as some people.
 
Myself , I have never experienced anything of the sort . Don't want to . My wife is a huge believer that your family members come back to visit you . She has experienced many things over the years . Her late Mom and Dad did too . Some of the kids in the family did as well when they were very young . I can't say what is true and what isn't .
 
I have a good one . Two of my aunts accidentally emigrated from Europe shortly after Poland was invaded. Once we declared war,they couldn't go back or communicate with family back home.Both married gis. Ray was assigned to the 10th mtn division at Camp Hale,CO.At some point during or just after the war Ray and Elsa took a drive up to Leadville and went to the matchless mine where Baby Doe Tabor lived out her final years in a shack,penniless, hanging on to the mine as Horace had told her to.When they got there Elsa saw an old woman with a frightening face staring at her through the window and it scared her to death.She demanded they leave. Elsa told me this story in her late 80s and it still spooked her all those years later. Elsa died a few years later and it was a decade after that when it dawned on me that they were at the Matchless sometime in the 40s,but Baby Doe had been found frozen to death in her shack in 1936
 
alwslate said:
One should never underestimate the determination of people to believe what they want to believe despite any and all evidence to the contrary.
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Do you or anyone else know of any evidence to the contrary regarding the James Leininger story, for example? If so, I'd love to hear it if you do and I am not being facetious.

That said, people often like to say things like "people are just going to believe what they want to believe," and that certainly IS true, but many don't realize when they are on the wrong side of truth when they express that notion.

Between the documented, catalogued & coded cases of children with past life memories and NDEs (Near Death Experiences), the evidence that our consciousness survives after the physical death of our bodies is so overwhelming now that just in the past ten years or so the onus is now on skeptics to disprove these things. If that sounds like a strong statement, and it is, people need to merely research the evidence properly.

It is important to realize our court system does not require proof for a reason. It only requires proof beyond reasonable doubt, and this is necessary because you can play the skeptic about anything.

In fact, we'd never settle any matters in court if we required "proof" because we can always come up with some kind of argument against ANY case. We can even claim we're not really standing or sitting here right now, and that's why it is important to keep in mind that virtually everything you and I believe is only based on evidence beyond a reasonable doubt rather than fact (and many times we don't even have reasonableness to cling to).

In matters concerning what we're talking about here (life after death & reincarnation), when you weigh the preponderance of evidence in favor of children's past lives and NDE's, according to the department head of the University of Virginia's Division of Perceptual studies, we now have compelling scientific evidence of our consciousness surviving outside of and beyond our physical existence.

Again, I'm not claiming there is absolute "proof" of our consciousness surviving our physical death—there is no such proof of even the existence of viruses [if you doubt this, read virologist Stefan Lanka), but there is so much evidence supporting the phenomenon now that it is silly to dismiss it.

No one, including me, should state that the survival of consciousness is "fact", but certainly anyone dismissing the claim out of hand has not been scrutinizing the evidence in my opinion.
 
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Sheepdogged I am not familiar with the James Leininger story nor do I need to be. The proof is on the one making the hypothesis, not the doubters. Reasonable doubt is for court rooms, not science. There has never been one single documented case of scientifically proven paranormal activity of any kind. Reincarnation, life after death, brain activity after being declared brain dead for some time and being in an advanced stage of decay? All fantasy. NO scientific proof ever. And as for getting answers about your life questions after you die? That doesn't even deserve a comment. To have an intelligent self awareness of yourself and think that you will have an existence that isn't even the blink of an eye in eternity seems too unfair to possible be true. So people simply deny it. The Universe couldn't possibly be so cruel. But science says otherwise.
 
Until I personally witness anything on the subject of extra-terrestrial visitors, ghosts, etc. I'm going to call BUNK. My wife and I go a few rounds over this from time to time, she's sure she witnessed a few things...the mind can do and often does strange things. I've come close but always found some reason why I heard some noise, etc. In general others believe that if you are not susceptible or are a doubter you will never see anything, I like to think susceptible is weak in the mind and I was born a doubter, to quote B.B. King "Nobody loves me except my mother, and she could be jiving too." Like most human beings I enjoy a good scare but can honestly with some regret admit that I have never in my life seen anything that I could not explain. Once about 40 years ago while camping in the most Northeast portion of Washington state I heard a cry in the night that raised the hair on the back of my neck, I've heard my fair share of wierd coyote and cougar calls but this was a low pitched moaning call I'd never heard before, fairly loud too...needless to say I did not go for a walk by the dark of the moon that night. I still believe it was not big foot, probably an amorous bear or some hillbilly high on shrooms.
 
Sheepdogged said:
Do you or anyone else know of any evidence to the contrary regarding the James Leininger story, for example? If so, I'd love to hear it if you do and I am not being facetious.

That said, people often like to say things like "people are just going to believe what they want to believe," and that certainly IS true, but many don't realize when they are on the wrong side of truth when they express that notion.

Between the documented, catalogued & coded cases of children with past life memories and NDEs (Near Death Experiences), the evidence that our consciousness survives after the physical death of our bodies is so overwhelming now that just in the past ten years or so the onus is now on skeptics to disprove these things. If that sounds like a strong statement, and it is, people need to merely research the evidence properly.

It is important to realize our court system does not require proof for a reason. It only requires proof beyond reasonable doubt, and this is necessary because you can play the skeptic about anything.

In fact, we'd never settle any matters in court if we required "proof" because we can always come up with some kind of argument against ANY case. We can even claim we're not really standing or sitting here right now, and that's why it is important to keep in mind that virtually everything you and I believe is only based on evidence beyond a reasonable doubt rather than fact (and many times we don't even have reasonableness to cling to).

In matters concerning what we're talking about here (life after death & reincarnation), when you weigh the preponderance of evidence in favor of children's past lives and NDE's, according to the department head of the University of Virginia's Division of Perceptual studies, we now have compelling scientific evidence of our consciousness surviving outside of and beyond our physical existence.

Again, I'm not claiming there is absolute "proof" of our consciousness surviving our physical death—there is no such proof of even the existence of viruses [if you doubt this, read virologist Stefan Lanka), but there is so much evidence supporting the phenomenon now that it is silly to dismiss it.

No one, including me, should state that the survival of consciousness is "fact", but certainly anyone dismissing the claim out of hand has not been scrutinizing the evidence in my opinion.
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The Good Book says "Absent from the body present with the Lord". Doesn't say anything about lingering on, Haints or reincarnation.
 
So many ossified minds!!! I would venture to speculate that not a one of them has ever done an iota of research into the subject.

It would not surprise me a bit that if they were confronted face-to-face with the visage of years passed granny that they would pass out cold, then come to and claim temporary insanity, or that it was a reflection from passing headlights.

Coconuts are a tough thing to crack.
 
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