Unique and 44 Mag 240 grain hard cast discrepancy**Update with some Chrono results**

Rule3,
Bingo THIS:

The Alliant site is very good, but they always use Speer bullets for their data. This means that the load they list is for the Speer 240 gr SWAGED LEAD bullet, not hard cast lead. I find 10 gr Unique with a Lazer Cast 240 SWC to be a very pleasant load.

Tom.

Tom identified the discrepency that you were asking about.

If you look at enough data long enough, these head-scratcher-questions start having answers that are apparent.

The Alliant website was cut-and-pasted from their older load data, generally. Somewhere in the cut-and-pasting, the editor or copier got sloppy (or didn't know the difference, because they're not a handloader/caster) and listed swaged bullet data as "cast" data.

If you go to that same Alliant webpage for the 240gr loads, and hit the back button, and go to the 250gr cast (Keith) loads, you'll see they list up to 11.0grs for the same powder. Now, that's a heavier bullet, with a heavier load - sounds dangerous don't it? Actually, it's not, and the 11.0grs load could be used with the soft swaged bullet safely (as far as pressure goes), but you'll lead the heck out of your barrel.

So, the technicians made those loads different, and I say it's because of what Tom noted. Unfortunately, someone not so smart put the data on the website and confused things. This is what happens when humans are involved - we're just not perfect, much as we try.
 
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This thread brings back memories of my one and only reloading misadventure. I had just purchased an unfired 5"629 Classic. Loaded up a moderate load of 10.5 Unique with a 240 grain hardcast SWC. Went to the range, lined up at 25 yards, squeezed off a shot. The round went dead center but the recoil seemed pretty stout, I finished off the cylinder thinking that I guess it had been awhile since I had shot any .44 mags. Went to eject the empties and they wouldn't budge, ended up pounding them out one at a time with my cleaning rod. Needless to say I didn't fire any more that afternoon. I went home and started pulling bullets and found that instead of 10.5 grains I had set my scale and loaded 15 Grains!:eek: I guess you can say that my 629 has been proof tested. The gun held up but the recoil sure was on the heavy side.......................:rolleyes:
 
Rule3,
Bingo THIS:



Tom identified the discrepency that you were asking about.

If you look at enough data long enough, these head-scratcher-questions start having answers that are apparent.

The Alliant website was cut-and-pasted from their older load data, generally. Somewhere in the cut-and-pasting, the editor or copier got sloppy (or didn't know the difference, because they're not a handloader/caster) and listed swaged bullet data as "cast" data.

If you go to that same Alliant webpage for the 240gr loads, and hit the back button, and go to the 250gr cast (Keith) loads, you'll see they list up to 11.0grs for the same powder. Now, that's a heavier bullet, with a heavier load - sounds dangerous don't it? Actually, it's not, and the 11.0grs load could be used with the soft swaged bullet safely (as far as pressure goes), but you'll lead the heck out of your barrel.

So, the technicians made those loads different, and I say it's because of what Tom noted. Unfortunately, someone not so smart put the data on the website and confused things. This is what happens when humans are involved - we're just not perfect, much as we try.


So you are saying it is a typo or web site error. ?

I have the actual Alliant color "Manual" 2009 (not the on- line pdf version which might very well be the same) I see on page 68 the 240 and 250 gr Keith which you mention with the 240 still saying cast(7grs) as well as the 250 cast with 11 grains.

Their sister/brother company Speer (under ATK) manual #14 lists the 240 gr Part # 4660 with the same data.

So yes it is the swagged bullet and they need to correct their web site and manual to read as such.

However it still says cast which is why I went with Lyman Cast manual and Speer manual with the heavier 250 bullet data.;)

Edit: I sent them a e mail
 
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BINGO!:D

Reply from Alliant!

[FONT=&quot]That is correct. The 240 gr bullet is a Speer swaged. For the swaged bullet, the starting load should be approx 6.5 grs. For the 250 gr cast bullet, the starting load should be approx 9 grs. Thanks for your note and have a nice weekend. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ben Amonette[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Technical Service Manager[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Alliant Powder Company[/FONT]

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