Victory Take Down Screw Size

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While putting my Victory back together and tightening the takedown screw, it snapped in half. Never even began to snug up before it let loose. Luckily there was enough of it sticking out of the barrel lug to retrieve it. Anyone happen to know the screw size and pitch? Thanks in advance for any info you can send my way.
 
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Sorry I can Not help with the screw size but do suggest putting a No.61 o-ring on it with the new screw when you receive it. I also suggest calling S&W direct and telling them what happened as more then likely they will send you a new screw for free. This gun should be still under factory warranty and that should be honored as well.
 
Thanks for the reply. I had just installed the #61 o-ring and was re-installing the screw when it broke. Sent customer service an email explaining what happened and that I needed a replacement. Love the Victory. Bought it last Spring when they first came out. Should be back up and runnin' soon.
 
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The Screw size is 12-28, and any SHCS you could replace it with, should work better than the one that comes with the pistol.
I have written on this before but nobody seems to understand the reason.
The screw that comes with the victory is a Low Head SHCS, this takes a smaller alan wrench, 1/8 inch. The standard 12-28 takes a 5/32. Much heavier and will not strip out, or be difficult to break loose.
 
Appreciate the info on screw size. Can't imagine why S&W thought that screw type was a good idea. I'll try to source a replacement and keep the replacement from Smith as a backup. Thanks again!
 
...and any SHCS you could replace it with, should work better than the one that comes with the pistol.
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Can't imagine why S&W thought that screw type was a good idea.
I'm not an expert on screws. Why are you guys saying that anything is better than what S&W supplied, and that S&W was evidently crazy to have chosen this screw. Is there something inherently wrong with this particular screw? Can you expand on what you've said so us folks who don't know fastener technology can understand? Thanks.
 
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When you go from the standard Head SHCS, to a Low Head, or Flat head, or Button Head, they always use a smaller wrench due to the lack of metal around the hex. The standard wrench is enough to tighten and break these screws loose. If the low head screw is tightened a little too much, the fun begins.
Imagine trying to remove the spark plugs from an old car with a 1/4 inch drive ratchet. Or too small a screw driver on a large screw. Things just don't go well.
Why S&W chose this particular fastener is beyond me, the Standard SHCS does not stick out that much more , the difference in the head thickness is not that great. They are most likely making these screws, and just did this for looks. They have no history of using these to know of the issues associated with the too small a wrench vs Torque required.
It would have been just as easy to go to 5mm or 1/4-28.
# 12 screws have not been used all that much, a search online can locate some standard 12-28 SHCS. Problem is you can't just buy one. Box of 25 runs near $10.00 and 100 for $20.
 
S&W might have used that screw instead of a more common thread and pitch so someone wouldn't use a stainless steel cap screw in there and seize it fast to the barrel. I can't think of any other "GOOD" reason to do it.
 
Thanks smithfan4152 - now I see what you were getting at.

Cosmetically, is S&W is worried about that little screw sticking out too much (here's mine, with the o-ring installed - one side sticks out about 1/16" at most)? I'll bet they'd have a conniption fit looking at that screw sticking out of my replacement trigger!

If my screw ever gives me problems, I guess I'll replace it with a more "standard" version.
 

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Hi folks, I registered with this forum because the Victory has made a real S&W fan of me. I've read a lot about the screws coming loose. I have not had the issue and have run this pistol hard and fast for a while now. I was surprised at how tight the take-down screw was, but managed to back it out, though bent two hex wrenches.

Before tightening it back up, I put some plumbers tape around the screw - (PTFE) polytetrafluoroethylene. I used the yellow gas tape and it crushes well and does not slip or make the screw protrude. I believe this tape also protects from over-tightening. Just thought I'd share.
-SS-
 
Sweet Shooter Welcome to the Forum from Canada. Most of the guys are useing the no.61 O-rings as they are very cheap and last a long time as well. It does not allow the screw to work loose in between cleaning sessions and is good for 100's of rounds down range as well without looseing up any at all.
 
Update: 11/18
I ordered a package of #12-28 x 3/8 screws off ebay and received them today. Installed a #61 o-ring on the screw and put a very light coat of anti-seize on the threads after cleaning them with some contact cleaner. another shot of CC on a q-tip cleaned up the threads in the barrel itself. Torqued the screw down to 35 in/lbs. Looks just like the pic that haetig uploaded a few posts back. I feel a lot better about using a standard SHCS which uses the larger allen wrench. Up and running again!
 
My adventure with the takedown screw is probably similar to some others.
Waited months to get my training and licence, bought my very first firearm a camouflage Victory, waited 2 weeks for the firearm to be transferred to me so I could bring it home.
Then I had to wait for another document to arrive before being able to bring it to the club to fire.
So, I decide to try and take it apart to see how it works and so on.
Couldn't make the screw move with the supplied allen key. Use one of my own that was longer. Allen key snapped in two.
Sure, the owners manual says that it might take "significant force" but wow.
Sent an email to S&W customer service and their response was to ask me to fill in a form and send it back to them for a pre-paid FedEx label so that their techs can have a look.
Well, seems well-meaning enough. But that seems to be US procedure and not what I need to do from Canada.
I've had some people recommend trying an impact driver. But I don't want to get blamed for damaging the gun.
I'm thinking my only course of action is I'll first bring it to the range this Friday, fire it some, then drive to the store with it over the weekend to see what they recommend.
Didn't realise how much getting into shooting for the first time would test my patience.
 
S&W must really be torquing these screws down at the factory now-a-days. Mine was not difficult at all to remove. I disassembled and cleaned the gun before the first shoot, and the screw just came out like every other screw I've dealt with. Easy.

But on my first shooting trip, the screw came a little loose. I figured that was my problem from the initial reassembly. So I cleaned the screw and it's hole with brake cleaner before the next assembly. It has never come loose, not been difficult to remove (there is a little "snap" as it breaks loose), if I use the brake cleaner as my final step after cleaning the gun.

I recently switched to the O-ring method, but I haven't gotten a chance to shoot the gun yet with the O-ring in place. I assume it's going to work well, as so many here have reported. If not, I'll go back to the brake cleaner as last step. Just spray brake cleaner on a Q-Tip and swab down the screw and the hole it inserts into. Then tighten normally.

But it does sound like from the factory, that screw is coming to customers ridiculously tight now. It wasn't that way at the beginning, at least not with my pistol. Were I to get a pistol with a difficult screw these days, I'd put some Kroil penetrating oil around the screw and let the gun sit upside down overnight. Then try to remove the screw. It might help to put a punch on the screw head and tap it lightly to get some vibrations down there to loosen things up. Or maybe put the gun in the freezer for a while to chill it. Or heat it with a hair dryer. Follow up by using brake cleaner to clean out the remaining Kroil. Then install an O-ring. Kroil is pretty good stuff. I use it for routine cleaning too. It seeps under lead deposits in the barrel and makes them easier to remove with a barrel brush. It does penetrate everywhere, including places where you may not want it, so apply to your target area only, and sparingly. Very good product.
 
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