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I have been working too much and needed to vent so I went to an indoor range. A Forensic Pathologist and a Plastic Surgeon went with me. We all shot good but the Surgeon out did all of us but then both he and his wife shoot IDPA twice monthly. I would also suggest if you want to learn which caliber is best for self defense, you need to spend time with a pathologist or a Dr that did residency at a major trauma center.

However that is not what this thread is about.

I went to the range in my dually truck. Had my gear in the back seat. Prior to going there, I had unhooked a utility trailer from the truck. My truck has a hitch for small trailers, a bed hitch for my gooseneck and a fifth wheel hitch for the RV. Anyway, we all went inside and shot for two hours. Went in during daylight, came out during daylight. The truck was parked in a nice paved lot with about six other vehicles. The shooting range is in an industrial area with businesses all around.

As we walked to my truck, I noticed the ball on my hitch head was missing. As I got closer, I noticed that it was not MY hitch head. While we went inside, someone removed my hitch head with a 2" ball and replaced it with a rusted hitch head with no ball.

Granted the switch went off without a hitch (no pun intended) but how brave does one have to be to mess with and steal parts off a truck when the owner is going to be armed and people are coming and going all the time at that location, many of which know the owner of that truck well.

All I can say is I would not have shot the perp(s) had I caught them but their day would have gone very badly afterward.
 
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badam0112 said:
Wow, in broad daylight.
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Yes and I wonder what they would have taken if it had been dark. The truck has an alarm system but a window has to be broken or a door has to be opened for the alarm to go off. Due to the stuff inside and the theft of the hitch, the nice items inside are now in a double locked metal tool box.

Anyone inventoried their vehicle contents lately for desireable items? With entry, the perps could have gotten a shotgun, cuffs, a talkie, two GPS units, a tactical jacket, a shoulder rig, five cameras, a digital audio recorder, a lot of measuring devices and about 100 rounds of various ammo. Instead they get a $200 hitch head. All my items are now secured in the tool box, along with a rusted hitch head less ball.
 
Sad . But not unbelievable given todays world .If I would have caught them I would have gave them a good ol fashion blanket party ,one they would not soon forget . :mad:
 
i find it odd that they left a junk hitch. my hitch pins are the locking kind, but in PA, it is illegal to drive with a hitch and ball without an attached trailer. this isn't enforced as i had a state cop follow me for a bout 10 miles one time while my hitch and ball were on with no trailer. but i generally take them off so they stay nice and shiny.

not sure what i would have done if i had caught them.
 
speedyquad said:
i find it odd that they left a junk hitch. my hitch pins are the locking kind, but in PA, it is illegal to drive with a hitch and ball without an attached trailer. this isn't enforced as i had a state cop follow me for a bout 10 miles one time while my hitch and ball were on with no trailer. but i generally take them off so they stay nice and shiny.

not sure what i would have done if i had caught them.
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Mine locks as well but I never thought anyone would steal a hitch head that is not the weight distributing head. I have a lock for it but now I am keeping the head locked in a box.

The advanage of having the head in is if someone hits me from the rear, their car is damaged a lot more than my truck.
 
oldman45 said:
I have been working too much and needed to vent so I went to an indoor range. A Forensic Pathologist and a Plastic Surgeon went with me. We all shot good but the Surgeon out did all of us but then both he and his wife shoot IDPA twice monthly. I would also suggest if you want to learn which caliber is best for self defense, you need to spend time with a pathologist or a Dr that did residency at a major trauma center.

However that is not what this thread is about.

I went to the range in my dually truck. Had my gear in the back seat. Prior to going there, I had unhooked a utility trailer from the truck. My truck has a hitch for small trailers, a bed hitch for my gooseneck and a fifth wheel hitch for the RV. Anyway, we all went inside and shot for two hours. Went in during daylight, came out during daylight. The truck was parked in a nice paved lot with about six other vehicles. The shooting range is in an industrial area with businesses all around.

As we walked to my truck, I noticed the ball on my hitch head was missing. As I got closer, I noticed that it was not MY hitch head. While we went inside, someone removed my hitch head with a 2" ball and replaced it with a rusted hitch head with no ball.

Granted the switch went off without a hitch (no pun intended) but how brave does one have to be to mess with and steal parts off a truck when the owner is going to be armed and people are coming and going all the time at that location, many of which know the owner of that truck well.

All I can say is I would not have shot the perp(s) had I caught them but their day would have gone very badly afterward.
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On another Post a Forsenic Expert has choosen .45acp as his caliber due to examining bullet wound over a number of years.
 
jimmyj said:
On another Post a Forsenic Expert has choosen .45acp as his caliber due to examining bullet wound over a number of years.
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That is exactly what these guys said. I may disagree with a statement made by one of them when he said getting hit in the shoulder with a .45acp will cause enough trauma and pain to stop aggression.

Both agreed they had seen many instances of multiple hits with smaller calibers that may or may not have been fatal but usually one hit with a .45acp was all it took.

Both also fired maybe a couple hundred rounds, of which maybe half was in .45acp. The Surgeon told me that if I am protecting his life or my own life, he wants me to be using a .45acp.

I just think it would serve each of us well to sit down with a patholgist or trauma doctor to hear of their experiences. If one does, I think it will be time well spent.

Now for the irony of the event. The surgeon and his wife carry 9mm guns while at work but carry .45acp 100% of their personal time. They do so for ease concealment.
 
A couple years back we were hunting upstate NY, and were about a 1/2 mile or so in the woods. It was totally quiet. Our trucks(2 of em') were parked on the side of the road, there were no houses around anywhere that we could see. About an hour or so after we entered the woods, we hear the sound of another vehicle coming down the road, then we hear doors slamming. About a minute or two later we hear the faint sound of a small electric or battery powered motor running. A few minutes later we hear another vehicle coming down the road a bit in the distance.The sound of the motor stops and the first vehicle takes off, we think nothing of it and stay in the woods.
At the end of the day we all head back to our trucks for the ride to the cabin about 5 miles away. As we head down the road, one of the vehicles stalls and pulls over, so the other vehicle stops also. Turned out the fine residents of the area had siphoned the fuel in one of the trucks down to near empty. We took a ride to the gas station and brought back a couple gallons of fuel to get the stalled vehicle going.
You never know who's out there waiting for an opportunity.
 
Getting down to apple and oranges, what about the 10 MM or 357 Mag?

I think them two will put a big hurt on your behind. I carry Silvertips and have all the faith in the world with these bullets.
 
ladder13 said:
A couple years back we were hunting upstate NY, and were about a 1/2 mile or so in the woods. It was totally quiet. Our trucks(2 of em') were parked on the side of the road, there were no houses around anywhere that we could see. About an hour or so after we entered the woods, we hear the sound of another vehicle coming down the road, then we hear doors slamming. About a minute or two later we hear the faint sound of a small electric or battery powered motor running. A few minutes later we hear another vehicle coming down the road a bit in the distance.The sound of the motor stops and the first vehicle takes off, we think nothing of it and stay in the woods.
At the end of the day we all head back to our trucks for the ride to the cabin about 5 miles away. As we head down the road, one of the vehicles stalls and pulls over, so the other vehicle stops also. Turned out the fine residents of the area had siphoned the fuel in one of the trucks down to near empty. We took a ride to the gas station and brought back a couple gallons of fuel to get the stalled vehicle going.
You never know who's out there waiting for an opportunity.
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You got lucky that is how they did it. I worked in a hardware store awhile back, and a guy came in looking for a temporary plug for his gas-tank. Apparently, when he parked his truck for a day of canoeing/kayaking on river. Some (insert choice of words), had taken a cordless drill and drilled a hole in his plastic gas tank, let it drain into a gas can, when their can was full they just let it pour out on the ground.
 
novalty said:
You got lucky that is how they did it. I worked in a hardware store awhile back, and a guy came in looking for a temporary plug for his gas-tank. Apparently, when he parked his truck for a day of canoeing/kayaking on river. Some (insert choice of words), had taken a cordless drill and drilled a hole in his plastic gas tank, let it drain into a gas can, when their can was full they just let it pour out on the ground.
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:eek: That's downright disgusting, gee wiz.

Some areas of upstate they siphon off the fuel oil tanks of the part-time residents, ie hunters who use the place just for the season, or city dwellers who go upstate on weekends and such. The locals know when the place is occupied and when it's not. :mad:
 
steveno said:
so why is it illegal to have a ball and hitch on your truck if you aren't pulling a trailer?
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they assume you are driving around to find trailers/loads to steal.

my guess is that there are more states that have similar laws. most PA people don't know this law exists.

and yes, i do feel more protected from rear colission should i "forget" to pull the hitch
 
it must be an eastern thing as here in Nebraska there wouldn't be enough jails and prisons

eastern means anything east of the Missouri River
 
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