Cut your losses and leave, or stay and tolerate it. In today's society, mental illness is treated by a stable of lawyers and advocacy groups waiting to protect her, and make you out to be the villain for being insensitive and intolerant.
What do you do about a crazy person ?
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misswired
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Call her bluff.....I ain't above doing crazier to the crazy.
Surely y'all can outsmart her. If she's uncomfortable being around you......she won't.
She needs to be scared, not pissed off.....carry on, have fun!
Surely y'all can outsmart her. If she's uncomfortable being around you......she won't.
She needs to be scared, not pissed off.....carry on, have fun!
been there
I would alert the management and law enforcement, unless your children or parents are living in the next camper? I'd get out of Dodge.....
Sounds like the only reason you are staying is the money?
a whack job may have access to weapons, its really not worth getting in over your head after taking the two above precautions?
Its got wheels for a reason, I moved the "Honey Badger", and her three children out of her new house her ex had built....
she did Not want to leave, but nut jobs always feel the need to defend their "own dirt", and he was a mean drunk....
enough threatening phone calls to be very concerned, he did have visitation with the kids, we both carried when we felt the need for over a year.....
so "de-conflict" every chance you get, don't tell folks you carry, don't make threats, leave quietly, don't feel the need to "let her know how you feel", it doesn't matter...
and your last concern will be the money if something goes South??
I would alert the management and law enforcement, unless your children or parents are living in the next camper? I'd get out of Dodge.....
Sounds like the only reason you are staying is the money?
a whack job may have access to weapons, its really not worth getting in over your head after taking the two above precautions?
Its got wheels for a reason, I moved the "Honey Badger", and her three children out of her new house her ex had built....
she did Not want to leave, but nut jobs always feel the need to defend their "own dirt", and he was a mean drunk....
enough threatening phone calls to be very concerned, he did have visitation with the kids, we both carried when we felt the need for over a year.....
so "de-conflict" every chance you get, don't tell folks you carry, don't make threats, leave quietly, don't feel the need to "let her know how you feel", it doesn't matter...
and your last concern will be the money if something goes South??
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Yes, video, video, video. My mother once spoke of people "who can't spend more than ten seconds a day thinking about anybody themselves."
I had a tie-in book to Disney's "20,000 League under the Sea" where Ned Land tells Professor Arronax:
"Nemo's like a mad dog, Professor. You can't reason or argue with him- you can only muzzle him or shoot him !"
I had a tie-in book to Disney's "20,000 League under the Sea" where Ned Land tells Professor Arronax:
"Nemo's like a mad dog, Professor. You can't reason or argue with him- you can only muzzle him or shoot him !"
DeathGrip
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Reread your contract. Is there might be a limit on how long someone can lease a lot. Most camp sites don't want permanent residences, they become mobile home parks and are subject to a whole nuther set of rules. Many managers look the other way to keep lots rented. Corporate or owners might not even know or want to know. They dang sure don't want a stink that might eat into their profits. (it can be a sleazy business).
Any way I look at this the camp site management needs to make a simple choice. You of her.
As far as refunds go, If management can't or won't act then your contract could be considered void.
If all management wants to do is collect lot rent then it's time to find another camp ground.
Any way I look at this the camp site management needs to make a simple choice. You of her.
As far as refunds go, If management can't or won't act then your contract could be considered void.
If all management wants to do is collect lot rent then it's time to find another camp ground.
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PeterJ
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Money isn't the only reason. We have been staying here for 6 years and have made a lot of friends. It's our winter home, but if she acts up one more time we will be out of here.
SAFireman
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Be sure to effectively communicate with the local LE - If this person threatened you be sure to explain why/how/where - get videos, make a list of witnesses.
Make certain to vocalize that this person is putting you in fear of your safety immediately upon her appearance. Most LE agencies don't want to show up in court because they failed to act and someone got hurt (on either side). Texas has laws that will get her a visit with MHMR or an emergency psych consultation.
Watch out! crazy people do crazy things, and have super human strength (ask anyone who worked the puzzle factory).
If in doubt, get out. The money is already spent and you will make more anyhow.
Good luck, and I hope that you can enjoy the rest of your holiday in peace.
One final note - the management has the responsibility to protect you from known threats - document all contact with them and the crazy lady. Ask them to issue a trespass warning in front of the LEO's. Tell them that you fear for your safety and the safety of the other guests due to the actions of this person. I am sure that they don't want to land in court for lack of action on their part. Make sure that they are aware of all contact that this person has with LE.
Make certain to vocalize that this person is putting you in fear of your safety immediately upon her appearance. Most LE agencies don't want to show up in court because they failed to act and someone got hurt (on either side). Texas has laws that will get her a visit with MHMR or an emergency psych consultation.
Watch out! crazy people do crazy things, and have super human strength (ask anyone who worked the puzzle factory).
If in doubt, get out. The money is already spent and you will make more anyhow.
Good luck, and I hope that you can enjoy the rest of your holiday in peace.
One final note - the management has the responsibility to protect you from known threats - document all contact with them and the crazy lady. Ask them to issue a trespass warning in front of the LEO's. Tell them that you fear for your safety and the safety of the other guests due to the actions of this person. I am sure that they don't want to land in court for lack of action on their part. Make sure that they are aware of all contact that this person has with LE.
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While post 18 raises a good point about possibly becoming the focus of her behavior, it would seem you're already there. The downside of documenting without informing LE, is that, if force becomes necessary, they'll look at all your documentation and wonder why you never reported it. It'll look like CYA fiction. The videos, not so much, but only if they're time/date stamped. Even then, they'll still wonder.
ACORN
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I must respectfully disagree with the post suggesting staying away from her. I think that would just embolden her more. She'd think you were afraid of her. If your doing nothing wrong why should you change your lifestyle to suit her?
fiasconva
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Inform management and LE as well as videoing and documenting everything you can. This could lead to some kind of violence and you will need every bit of it if it comes to that. Stay safe and watch your six.
TheHobbyist
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I am not an attorney. I am just giving you my opinion. Be mindful of the State laws, relative to where you are. In some States, they have 'one party consent', meaning you can video someone as long as you are physically present while recording. In other States, this is not the case. There is obviously much to this story. Try to be objective in ascertaining the best route. Good luck and hope everyone involved is safe. Different times.......
TheHobbyist
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Side note: Also keep in mind if someone is truly 'crazy' as any objective person would deem, there is no sense in using logic to interact with them.
misswired
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And.....she's nothing but a loud mouthed bully.
No violence, no death or destruction in her wake.....A loud mouthed bully....I'd make her a habit.
Am curious. Has she made threatening comments or so far only insultive, etc? Also, when hospitalized, was she self-admitted or adjudicated? Regardless, I think I would report it to management and LE but at the time discuss if confronting her might escalate to more abuse? At least they're aware in case it goes south.
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Carry......Always, carry.
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You indicated that you are leasing or renting. If you own the place my answer would be different.
Most above have recommended recording, notifying the police, etc, etc. and that will be good in court after she kills one of you. Until she does, what to do?
You know the crazies are the ones we have to worry about. Just look at the mass killings in recent years. None of these people were sane. Since you don't know how / if she has weapons, you don't know any of the future outcomes.
The one comment that was really nice was to offer her a gift card, make nice small talk, offer her a cup of coffee, etc., and then see what happens. If that does not turn the tide, THEN make videos and call the police and get a restraining order.
Finally, find another place to go and get the **** out of there. In the interim, carry daily. Just the stress of the situation is enough to forget about your financial losses.
Most above have recommended recording, notifying the police, etc, etc. and that will be good in court after she kills one of you. Until she does, what to do?
You know the crazies are the ones we have to worry about. Just look at the mass killings in recent years. None of these people were sane. Since you don't know how / if she has weapons, you don't know any of the future outcomes.
The one comment that was really nice was to offer her a gift card, make nice small talk, offer her a cup of coffee, etc., and then see what happens. If that does not turn the tide, THEN make videos and call the police and get a restraining order.
Finally, find another place to go and get the **** out of there. In the interim, carry daily. Just the stress of the situation is enough to forget about your financial losses.
I'm not up on Texas law so you will need to verify what I'm about to write:
This persons actions may constitute misdemeanor harassment (or the Texas equivalent). As such an LEO would need to witness it personally to make an arrest. Filing a police report alone will accomplish nothing but burn your time and that of the LEO. Many advise it as a paper trail but it remains an unproven allegation at that point. Over my career I dealt with many people who only filed reports, often 10-20 against one person but despite being advised of the warrant process they did nothing else.
File the report, seek an arrest warrant, and prosecute!
Contact the agency having jurisdiction and have them explain your options to you.
This persons actions may constitute misdemeanor harassment (or the Texas equivalent). As such an LEO would need to witness it personally to make an arrest. Filing a police report alone will accomplish nothing but burn your time and that of the LEO. Many advise it as a paper trail but it remains an unproven allegation at that point. Over my career I dealt with many people who only filed reports, often 10-20 against one person but despite being advised of the warrant process they did nothing else.
File the report, seek an arrest warrant, and prosecute!
Contact the agency having jurisdiction and have them explain your options to you.
Ranger514
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Has she actually threatened you with violence in her words or actions? What does your friend say? Has she acted violently in the past? In my experience dealing with them, most emotioally disturbed persons (EDPs) are often prescribed meds to control their condition, and for one reason or another have stopped taking their meds. While it's not against the law to be crazy, most states have laws that allow LEOs to intervene, taking EDPs into protective custody when they pose a threat to themselves or others. Local LE is most likely aware of her condition from past contacts. I'd strongly suggest that you consult local LE, and include your common friend, or other witnesses to back up your report. Record all your contacts and file a complaint with local LE if she continues to harrass or threaten you. Be careful. Don't escalate an encounter, but don't relax your guard.
