marine2541
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On Bill O'Reilly's THE FACTOR I head him twice dismiss President Obama as being a member "star chamber" when considering his political views and actions. Is this like being a Manchurian candidate?
What is a "star chamber?"
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marine2541
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On Bill O'Reilly's THE FACTOR I head him twice dismiss President Obama as being a member "star chamber" when considering his political views and actions. Is this like being a Manchurian candidate?
For English history buffs, here is where the term originated:
http://www.luminarium.org/ency...edia/starchamber.htm
http://www.luminarium.org/ency...edia/starchamber.htm
Jerry N.
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He uses the term to mean a one government world person. The star chamber is loosely connected to that philosophy. Many conservatives are concerned about the President's willingness to consider things like a world currency (at least not having the dollar be the base currency) and allowing the U.S. to be subject to some international body's rulings (like the IMF or the World Court). Generally handing over some of our sovereignty for the sake of the world.
7shooter
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Here is one of the definitions found on Answers.com :
History 1450-1789: Star Chamber
Top Home > Library > History, Politics & Society > History 1450-1789The court of Star Chamber took its name from the Camera Stellata in Westminster where its sessions were routinely held. The term does not appear to have been used before 1550 and only became popular in 1618 in Ferdinand Pulton's Collection of Sundrie Statutes. The court grew out of the medieval practice of the king's council hearing cases by petition, an alternative to the cumbersome process of the common law courts. Under Cardinal Wolsey's chancellorship (1515–1529), these legal functions of the council were separated from its administrative functions and the business of the court increased tenfold. Privy councillors, sometimes joined by the leading common law judges and lawyers, heard petitions and passed judgment. Most of the court's business in the early sixteenth century was civil, but by the 1560s an increasing number of criminal cases were heard. From 1566 the court also dealt with sedition, and its reputation for hearing politically sensitive cases increased. The court's business declined under the early Stuart kings, but its unsavory reputation for summary trial without jury and use of arbitrary power by the crown increased. Political show trials, such as those of the Puritans Alexander Leighton in 1630 and William Prynne, John Bastwicke, and Henry Burton in 1637, and the cruel and unusual punishments inflicted meant that Star Chamber became a prime target of opponents of Charles I in 1640–1641. On 5 July 1641, the Long Parliament abolished Star Chamber along with that other symbol of prerogative justice, the Court of High Commission.
History 1450-1789: Star Chamber
Top Home > Library > History, Politics & Society > History 1450-1789The court of Star Chamber took its name from the Camera Stellata in Westminster where its sessions were routinely held. The term does not appear to have been used before 1550 and only became popular in 1618 in Ferdinand Pulton's Collection of Sundrie Statutes. The court grew out of the medieval practice of the king's council hearing cases by petition, an alternative to the cumbersome process of the common law courts. Under Cardinal Wolsey's chancellorship (1515–1529), these legal functions of the council were separated from its administrative functions and the business of the court increased tenfold. Privy councillors, sometimes joined by the leading common law judges and lawyers, heard petitions and passed judgment. Most of the court's business in the early sixteenth century was civil, but by the 1560s an increasing number of criminal cases were heard. From 1566 the court also dealt with sedition, and its reputation for hearing politically sensitive cases increased. The court's business declined under the early Stuart kings, but its unsavory reputation for summary trial without jury and use of arbitrary power by the crown increased. Political show trials, such as those of the Puritans Alexander Leighton in 1630 and William Prynne, John Bastwicke, and Henry Burton in 1637, and the cruel and unusual punishments inflicted meant that Star Chamber became a prime target of opponents of Charles I in 1640–1641. On 5 July 1641, the Long Parliament abolished Star Chamber along with that other symbol of prerogative justice, the Court of High Commission.
oldRoger
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To quote from 7shooter:
"its unsavory reputation for summary trial without jury and use of arbitrary power by the crown increased. Political show trials, and the cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"
The Star Trial is why we have the prohibition against "cruel and unusual punishment" and "bills of attainder" in our constitution.
When the POTUS assumes that he is the Sovereign rather than the people, we have the situation at hand.
Read how the firing of the GM CEO and board took place, and you will see a classic Star Chamber proceeding.
We the people are to be governed by the Law. When you start making rules up ex post facto and in secret proceedings, no ones life or property is safe.
Remember this gang also called the mob out after the AIG executives whose crime evidently was taking bonuses that congress and the POTUS had given them..
"its unsavory reputation for summary trial without jury and use of arbitrary power by the crown increased. Political show trials, and the cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"
The Star Trial is why we have the prohibition against "cruel and unusual punishment" and "bills of attainder" in our constitution.
When the POTUS assumes that he is the Sovereign rather than the people, we have the situation at hand.
Read how the firing of the GM CEO and board took place, and you will see a classic Star Chamber proceeding.
We the people are to be governed by the Law. When you start making rules up ex post facto and in secret proceedings, no ones life or property is safe.
Remember this gang also called the mob out after the AIG executives whose crime evidently was taking bonuses that congress and the POTUS had given them..
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One has always to be on guard against "Easy Justice". the thought that we all "know" what is right and wrong and why go through all the hassle of trial and proof. Ironically the left was hell bent on castigating Bush for evading the courts in the case of the Guantanamo detainees. Yet seem happy to have the AIG execs pilloried for their bonuses and GM and other executives fired and their wages set at the whim of the executive Branch. A great point is made above, the people are sovereign in the US (at least in theory), but the executive branch has been whittling away at this tenant bit by bit, making more decisions and taking more rights. A Star Chamber is not far from the truth of it. As the courts and more traditional means of making decisions and arbitration disputes are falling into disfavor beware of "Big Brother" offering a helping hand.
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marine2541
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Wow! you guys are smart!
