What would other Presidents have done with the Pirate Situation?

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On a different forum someone posed the question "I wonder what Harry Truman would have done" in reference to the piracy situation off Somalia. It got me to thinking, well, what would other presidents have done given what history tells us about them. So, I came up with my thoughts on how the last several Presidents might act in this scenario.

My take would be like this:

Franklin D. Roosevelt- Send Hillary to negotiate while having a British Special Air Service Ops group plan and execute an attack on the boat. If successful, take the credit. If not successful, point to the British and say "Well, they tried. We lent them help and leased them material, it just didn't work out"

Harry Truman - Give them a deadline to return the hostage unharmed, if it wasn't met, explode a charge under the vessel and see how long they can do the backstroke. Look at the "Buck ends here" sign on desk, regretfully send letter to widow of hostage.

Dwight Eisenhower - See if George Patton is around, if not then go play golf until the crisis is over. Delegate to others to solve problem.

J F Kennedy - Order the USS Bainbridge to ram the lifeboat, it worked for the Japs with PT 109. Then go back to bed with current starlet girlfriend.

L B Johnson - Order the USS Turner Joy (oops, wrong war) USS Bainbridge to fire on the lifeboat without endangering the hostage. Hold Commanding Officer of the USS Bainbridge accountable for not being able to carry out impossible orders. Blame military for poor execution of perfect plan.

Richard M. Nixon - Send White House aides to see if they can steal the hostage back during the cover of night. Tell the world everything is okay.

Gerald Ford - Offer the pirates a pardon if they will only behave themselves in the future

Jimmy Carter - Get together with the Ayatollah, Quadafi, and two unknown Muslim Clerics to have a roundtable meeting with 12 pirates, 9 Warlords, and a partridge in a pear tree. Issue a resolution about human rights and Somalias place in the World. Send 17 merchant ships full of food to the Somalia Coast. Threaten all Naval Personnel with Court Martials for allowing hostage to be taken in the first place while simultaneously rewarding all the inhabitants of Mogadishu with free food and money.

Ronald Reagan - You have until the count of three. One, two, okay guys, FIRE. He, He, He, that'll teach 'em !!

George H W Bush - You have until the count of three (watch my lips). One, two, three Okay, fooled yah !!!! Let's try it again. One, two, three, HA, HA once more. One, two, Thre.......... Oh, I'm not president anymore am I?

Bill Clinton - Uh, well, uh, okay guys, let's see if we can blow them out of the water..... Hmm, that makes me think of something, Uh, Monica, could you come here (ha, ha no pun intended), I'm thinking about blowing them out of the water, could you blow .......... Hey guys, here's the cigars, smoke em if you gottem! Hillary, what should I do now?

George W. Bush - Okay, fellas, I think you ought to just leave right now without the hostage. Not so fast, parrot beak, I didn't say you could take the boat with you! Don't wanna go, huh? Okay, troops, take 'em out. Gee, Dlck, what else could we have done?

Barak H. Obama - Call a meeting of all Third world delegations, promise them billions of bail out money to show up. Then when it gets a bit unruly, say: Please, Please, everybody, this is just not what we expect out of the New World Order. Please, would the delegate from Lower Tanzania please provide this group with the benefit of their experience in World Affairs? Oh, Please, Mr United Nations, could you please do something so I can point to it without having to take the blame if it goes wrong? Why can't those military people prevent this sort of thing from happening and ruining my perfect administration? Oh, oh, oh, my goodness, I think there are lions, and tigers, and bears, oh my, oh my, what to do??????? What does the latest poll think we should do, will this hurt my re-election chances? Oh, this is all that dreadful W's fault, isn't it?

Just some thoughts

Dan R
 
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On a different forum someone posed the question "I wonder what Harry Truman would have done" in reference to the piracy situation off Somalia. It got me to thinking, well, what would other presidents have done given what history tells us about them. So, I came up with my thoughts on how the last several Presidents might act in this scenario.

My take would be like this:

Franklin D. Roosevelt- Send Hillary to negotiate while having a British Special Air Service Ops group plan and execute an attack on the boat. If successful, take the credit. If not successful, point to the British and say "Well, they tried. We lent them help and leased them material, it just didn't work out"

Harry Truman - Give them a deadline to return the hostage unharmed, if it wasn't met, explode a charge under the vessel and see how long they can do the backstroke. Look at the "Buck ends here" sign on desk, regretfully send letter to widow of hostage.

Dwight Eisenhower - See if George Patton is around, if not then go play golf until the crisis is over. Delegate to others to solve problem.

J F Kennedy - Order the USS Bainbridge to ram the lifeboat, it worked for the Japs with PT 109. Then go back to bed with current starlet girlfriend.

L B Johnson - Order the USS Turner Joy (oops, wrong war) USS Bainbridge to fire on the lifeboat without endangering the hostage. Hold Commanding Officer of the USS Bainbridge accountable for not being able to carry out impossible orders. Blame military for poor execution of perfect plan.

Richard M. Nixon - Send White House aides to see if they can steal the hostage back during the cover of night. Tell the world everything is okay.

Gerald Ford - Offer the pirates a pardon if they will only behave themselves in the future

Jimmy Carter - Get together with the Ayatollah, Quadafi, and two unknown Muslim Clerics to have a roundtable meeting with 12 pirates, 9 Warlords, and a partridge in a pear tree. Issue a resolution about human rights and Somalias place in the World. Send 17 merchant ships full of food to the Somalia Coast. Threaten all Naval Personnel with Court Martials for allowing hostage to be taken in the first place while simultaneously rewarding all the inhabitants of Mogadishu with free food and money.

Ronald Reagan - You have until the count of three. One, two, okay guys, FIRE. He, He, He, that'll teach 'em !!

George H W Bush - You have until the count of three (watch my lips). One, two, three Okay, fooled yah !!!! Let's try it again. One, two, three, HA, HA once more. One, two, Thre.......... Oh, I'm not president anymore am I?

Bill Clinton - Uh, well, uh, okay guys, let's see if we can blow them out of the water..... Hmm, that makes me think of something, Uh, Monica, could you come here (ha, ha no pun intended), I'm thinking about blowing them out of the water, could you blow .......... Hey guys, here's the cigars, smoke em if you gottem! Hillary, what should I do now?

George W. Bush - Okay, fellas, I think you ought to just leave right now without the hostage. Not so fast, parrot beak, I didn't say you could take the boat with you! Don't wanna go, huh? Okay, troops, take 'em out. Gee, Dlck, what else could we have done?

Barak H. Obama - Call a meeting of all Third world delegations, promise them billions of bail out money to show up. Then when it gets a bit unruly, say: Please, Please, everybody, this is just not what we expect out of the New World Order. Please, would the delegate from Lower Tanzania please provide this group with the benefit of their experience in World Affairs? Oh, Please, Mr United Nations, could you please do something so I can point to it without having to take the blame if it goes wrong? Why can't those military people prevent this sort of thing from happening and ruining my perfect administration? Oh, oh, oh, my goodness, I think there are lions, and tigers, and bears, oh my, oh my, what to do??????? What does the latest poll think we should do, will this hurt my re-election chances? Oh, this is all that dreadful W's fault, isn't it?

Just some thoughts

Dan R
 
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We know what Jefferson would have done, because he did it... and that's why "the shores of Tripoli" is in the Marine Hymn.
 
Gerald Ford actually did have to deal with a vaguely similar situation. He sent in the Marines - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayag%C3%BCez_incident .

It was overshadowed by Watergate, but Nixon - for his part - was actually a fairly ruthless leader when it came to diplomacy. When not busy plotting to get rid of the Jews and other enemies (real and imagined) at home, he was ever willing to increase the bomber offensives against North Vietnam in an effort to further influence negotiations. If there was anyone or anything worth bombing in Somalia, he'd have seen to it that it was bombed, ports mined, etc.

James Polk - he'd have already found a reason to annex Somalia and probably much of the surrounding area and turn it into a few new stars on the flag.

Andrew Jackson meanwhile would have not only have annexed the nation, but likely driven the entire population currently there out on a death march to a "reservation" some place under the "it's legal enough, and who's going to stop me anyway?" theory of law. If challenged by any of the various talking heads about his policy, he'd likely have simply shot them down in a duel.

Of course current leaders might well remember the relatively unfruitful past intervention in Somalia which seems to have accomplished relatively little - blighted pesthole then, even more blighted pesthole now.
 
Clinton would have found out where pirate headquarters was, waited until the pirates were gone, then order an airstrike in which the pirates' janitor would certainly be killed, then it's cigar time.
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Originally posted by zoom6zoom:
We know what Jefferson would have done, because he did it... and that's why "the shores of Tripoli" is in the Marine Hymn.

Yup, we'd be sailing hard toward their home shores with our decks heavy with cannon balls.
 
Originally posted by zoom6zoom:
We know what Jefferson would have done, because he did it... and that's why "the shores of Tripoli" is in the Marine Hymn.
Jefferson sent forces after the Barbary States declared war on the US. Hardly the same situation as a handful of criminals trying to extract ransom from a shipping company.

After the cease fire in the Barbary War, Jefferson agreed to pay a ransom just to get our prisoners of war back, another inconvenient little detail on the revisionist history trail.

Bob
 
Theodore Roosevelt would have wanted to go after the pirates himself, with some old Rough Rider buddies.

Talked out of that he'd have sent the SEALS a long time ago.
The Captain would be enjoying Easter dinner with his family today.

The sharks would be enjoying snacking on what was left of the pirates.

Obama? "We're talking about housing right now."
(He's not ready for prime time and never will be.)
 
Lots of options, one thing that should not be an option is for that boat to get to somali shores, if it does I believe the Captain will be in for a long wait and probably the only way he'll get out is by someone paying the ransom.
I doubt our pres and his circle have the cojones to do much else.
Steve
 
I'm with ACP230, just imagine if Teddy R. had cruise missles ,with field nukes........end of story
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...any REAL American President would do what any REAL American would do...KICK ASS and take names...and THE HELL with what the United Nations thinks...



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Originally posted by ParadiseRoad:
...any REAL American President would do what any REAL American would do...KICK ASS and take names...and THE HELL with what the United Nations thinks...



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Yep.

It's over I wonder if the great one had anything to do with it.
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