What's your experience with the M-14

M-14 qualification on KD range:
100 yards - standing off-hand
200 yards - kneeling or squatting
300 yards - sitting
500 yards - prone


I COMPLETED MY BASIC TRAINING @ FT. DIX, NJ--"THE HOME OF THE ULTIMATE WEAPON--THE INFANTRYMAN", IN THE WINTER OF 1964-1965......

I TRAINED AND QUALIFIED WITH THE M-14. I LEARNED TO SHOOT IN ALL 4 POSITIONS @ 300 YARDS, BUT I NEVER FIRED THE WEAPON @ 500 YARDS. PERHAPS IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE BRUTAL WINTER CONDITIONS THAT YEAR, WHICH REQUIRED US TRAINEES TO SHOVEL OUT THE FIRING POSITIONS ON THE RANGE, BEFORE WE COULD COMMENCE, EACH DAY. THE TARGETS AT 500YARDS MAY HAVE BEEN OBSCURED BY SNOW. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE TERM "KD RANGE" REFERS TO....

I FIRED THE M-14, A BIT, IN VIETNAM. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIRE IT ON FULL AUTO. I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT ON FULL AUTO, IT WAS JUST AN AMMO BURNER. IT QUICKLY CLIMBED OFF TARGET, AND WAS REALLY UNCONTROLLABLE IN THAT MODE OF FIRE........

MY ISSUED WEAPON IN VIETNAM, WAS THE M-16A1, WHICH I LIKED MUCH BETTER......
 
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I entered the service on 17 July. You were a hardened vet by then.

HAHAHA!!!! Oh, yessireebob, I was hardened all right!!!! Had all the cadence memorized, anyway......

We had them on both of the ships I was stationed on and they were still in use in 1986 when I got out. We qualified with them and they were issued as part of our ship's security force.

My last ship duty was in 2003. Ship's security still used M-14s at the time. I bet they still do. Shore security might be engaged in CQB but, as a rule, ship's security is shooting from the deck - they need longer range accuracy and - think USS Cole - they might have to sink something. 5.56 NATO versus 7.62 NATO is an easy decision for these purposes. Ship's Captain selecting .30 caliber every time would never surprise me.
 
We had the M-1 when I joined the Army in 60. We were issued the M-14 in Germany right after the "Wall" went up in Aug 61 as I recall. It felt a lot lighter than the M-1 but really is only a # lighter. Luckily, I got to be a jeep driver for a Captain and got issued the M-1 carbine instead. I did enjoy shooting the M14 though. Still got my Expert badge from it.
 
I have never served in the armed forces... but I had an opportunity to fire one full auto once... was at a machine gun shoot and the local sheriff brought the troops squad weapon... I love M1A NM and had brought plenty of ammo... so he allowed me to shoot it with my mags and ammo... it was wonderful... not the beast everyone made it out to be... I found it controllable with 3-4 shot bursts... ripping a full mag does take some effort to keep it on the burm... but not impossible... but I am 6'-1"+ and 250... so it has a lot to push against... liked it more than the FN Fal... that is a brute...
 
Backlighting, I volunteered for the draft in 1968 and went to Ft. Lewis Washington for Basic. Prior to Basic, I don't think I'd ever even seen an M-14 up close. I trained with the M-14, qualified Expert with it. At the time I thought that if I could have just one rifle to protect my life, it would be the M-14. Later qualified Expert with the M-16 too, but it was easier for me to get long range hits with the M-14. The Army, wisely, never allowed me to shoot the M-14 on full-auto. I'd heard the M-14 was difficult too control in full-auto fire. Later got to shoot a friend's papered M1A full-auto. Thought I would be able to control it pretty well in full auto. I was wrong! After repeated tries, by about round #5 the muzzle was well on it's way up the large hill that was our backstop;)
 
USMC Boot Camp Parris Island 1970 qualified with the M-14, Sharpshooter. It was the first center fire rifle and the best semi-automatic rifle I ever fired.

A few months later I was issued a M-14 when assigned to a rifle company guarding the fence line in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. All of the M-16's were being put to good use in Vietnam; besides, the open terrain of Gitmo was suitable for the M-14.

Bought a Ruger Mini-30 in 1999 because it resembled a M-14, and I still hunt with it today.
 
Thank all of you who served our country! It is impressive to read the posts of so many who served and used the M14.

I never had the honor or privilege of serving in the armed forces but, I did shoot the M14 and M1A in high power competition for twenty years. The M14's were issued to our state association and were all match rifles with the selector switch removed and replaced by a nonfunctional knob. I was issued one when I made the state team.

My M1A was match conditioned with a heavy barrel and the oversized stock. The fit and feel of the standard issue stock was "handier" but, the ability of the oversized stock to absorb recoil and provide a rock solid cheek weld was a big plus.

With "white box" match the rifles were capable of 1 to 1.5 MOA groups at 200 yards. Hand loads, using 168gr. match bullets, would produce smaller groups. Clean scores are possible at 200, 300 and 600 yards with the right loads and bullet weights. The 175gr. match bullets and other VLD bullets can further enhance performance.

Magazines can be a problem to obtain due to cost but, they are available and Pmags, I think, are available. The M14 platform has changed for the military and they are primarily scoped for designated squad marksman. The "new" platforms are reliable and extremely accurate.

You have to "learn" how to shoot the M1A but, the effort is worth the reward. Unless I was going to shoot competition, I would probably opt for the scout model. Even with the shorter barrel, don't discount the long range potential with the right load and optic.

Lock and load!
 
The fundamental purpose of full-auto fire is to increase the probability of hits on moving targets or at extended ranges.

The standard M14 service rifle proved to be unsuitable for full-auto use. Standard barrels overheated very quickly causing the rifle to become unusable. Recoil of the 7.62X51 made control very difficult in full-auto mode, even when used with the standard detachable bipod.

Every standard M14 I used in the Army had the selector switch removed, allowing only semi-auto mode. Focus of all training was controlled and accurate firing, as well as conserving ammunition in combat (7.62X51 ammo is HEAVY and the magazines are bulky, so each soldier can carry only so much; typically 5 magazines of 20 rounds each).

Basic training (also at Ft. Jackson, SC) in 1968. My rifle was manufactured by TRW (satellite company in California), very heavily worn from countless cycles of trainees constantly disassembling, reassembling, humping, and rifle training. When held in one hand and shaken it sounded like a steel bucket full of nickels. But on the rifle range it performed perfectly every time. Qualification course was 82 pop-up silhouette targets at ranges from 75 to 360 meters, timed exposure of the targets depended on range (most in the 5 to 10 seconds range, with a target presented and not engaged counting as a miss), with 84 rounds allowed. My rifle produced a perfect score, providing me with the Expert Marksman badge, a 3-day pass, and the post rifle trophy for our Day Room display (along with huge bragging rights for my Drill Sergeant).

Later, during infantry AIT, we trained on the M14E2, specifically designed for use as an automatic rifle. Heavier barrel, full pistol grip stock, built-in steel bipod, modified flash suppressor (about 15 lbs IIRC). Always used from supported positions (foxhole, breastwork, prone). Emphasis was on controlled 3-round bursts, requiring concentration on the trigger. Training targets included multiple man-size silhouettes, old vehicles, various suspended moving targets, all primarily at extended ranges (300 to 500 meters). Qualified with the M14E2, then never saw another one in actual issue or use; all of the infantry units I served in or observed had the M60 light machineguns by that time so the M14E2 was pretty much superfluous.

Got to Vietnam in 1969. By that time much of the turmoil of the early M16's had been experienced and the M16A1 was pretty much standardized. There were still a few M14's on hand, usually reserved for senior NCO's who had grown up with M1's and had a lot of experience with the M14's. I was eventually able to trade for one from a ARVN source known to our Vietnamese interpreter, and when I left I had no difficulty finding a new home for that rifle.

For shooting (especially at longer ranges) or for static defense I would choose the M14 any day. For patrol or fluid combat situations my nod goes to the M16A1.
 
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My experience with the M14 is limited, but I always thought it was a sweet shooting rifle in relation to its caliber and weight. I never had to "hump" with one, as I attended basic in 1981 with the M16A1. The M16/M4 is the system I'm most comfortable with. Those of you who started with the M14 echo the same sentiments of just about every vet I've ever talked to in respect to the era they served and the rifles they trained with. A friend of mine, who also went through basic in the late 60s had similar regard for the M14, and finally fell into a sweet deal on an M1A National Match.
 
Basic training, Ft. Knox, Spring 1969. Qualified expert with my M-14. If I could see the target, I could hit it. I've got a soft spot for the 14, always will. That said, I'm glad I didn't have to hump it in-country. Fast forward to now. I'd love to have a Springfield M1A. Sadly, it's above my pay grade. I just have to muddle thru with my M1 Garand.
 
My experience with a M14. Got to hold one for a couple minuets when I was at boot camp at Great Lakes in the 60s.:)

With that said the M14 and the BAR are on my bucket list of "got to shoot". Living in the peoples republic of NY that aint going to happen here. When we travel out of state I have shot a bunch of Full Auto guns.

I really want to try a BAR, but would not be disappointing to get my hands on a M14 in its place.
 
I was not in the Armed Forces. Did shoot an M1A in NRA Highpower
Rifle Matches for a few years. Started out with a bolt rifle, moved to an M1, experimented with an M1 Carbine, and an AR as well. Did best with the M1A. Found it easy to make accurate reloads for it too.

At a MG shoot in Minnesota I got to shoot an M14. Since I'd shot a fair
amount of full auto by then (some at the Second Chance Bowling Pin
Shoot), I found it fairly easy to control off the bipod, as long as I shot 3-4
shot bursts. One of my favorite full autos to shoot although I only got
one chance to do so.
 
US Marine Corps Recruit Depot, summer 1963. My M14 rusted on one end while I oiled the other end. Shot Marksman due to the weird shooting positions they demanded. Once out in the real world at Camp Lejeune, NC, I qualified Expert, scoring almost perfectly at 500 yards, as I was allowed to shoot in more comfortable positions. When a lieutenant range officer did complain about my prone position, my corporal range coach told him, "When you can shoot half as good as he can, you can tell him how to shoot. Until then, get the (deleted) off my range!" ...whereupon said lieutenant quickly and silently departed. I never saw or heard anything like that ever again during my enlistment. As much as I liked the M14, as a 2533 Radiotelegraph Operator, my TOE weapon was a 1911 that was much lighter to hump on our every Monday morning, full pack, force march that Colonel Gately imposed on everyone in Headquarters Battalion, Second Marine Division, as a highly effective deterrent to weekend alcohol consumption. He was a genius; his highly rapid force marches were tough on all of us but were killers to hungover Marines. I believe Colonel Gately could even straighten out Obamacare singlehandedly.
 
I never served in the military, my sincere thanks to those who did.

Anybody know where the line, "Some of the best days of my life were spent with an M-14 in my hands..." came from?

I always wanted an M-14-type rifle, but the only quality civilian option at the time was the S.A., Inc. M-1A, which was usually too pricey for a young handgunner. (Why are handgunners usually poor while shotgunners seem to be so rich?)

The Utah Highway Patrol got about 200 surplus M-14's from the Army/law enforcement assistance program. I shot the one issued to a good friend and was greatly impressed. Handling an M-14 instills one with the feeling that, yes, by gosh, THIS is a real RIFLE!

I wanted a .308 battle rifle badly and, still poor, built a couple of FALs from newly made semiauto receivers and parts kits from disassembled selective fire FALs and L1A1's. Great rifles, I love them dearly, but the M-14 has far, far better sights and those sights are all attached to one, non-moving assembly while the FAL design has one sight each on two different assemblies just hinged together.

Eventually I bought an S.A., Inc. M-1A Super Match in a McMillain stock with the heavy barrel and the other goodies. Too heavy for me for a field shooter, and I traded it off. I now have an M-14 clone built by a well-known Camp Perry military rifle builder marked SMITH, LTD. Looks like all NOS USGI parts from TRW, I think. Again, holding it gives me that "Now, THIS is a RIFLE!" feeling.

I am about to thin my herd down and will probably just keep a couple of FALs, and put the Smith, LTD on the market.

If laws permitted it everywhere, a man could go through life with an M-14 as his only centerfire rifle and do just fine.
 

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