Really, please explain the difference to me, and remember revolvers have been PISTOL's for over 150 years!
Why do instructors bash gun brands?
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Really, please explain the difference to me, and remember revolvers have been PISTOL's for over 150 years!
CAJUNLAWYER
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Kinda like ammo choices. Me-I "Run my guns" with 95gr ball (380) 115 gr ball (9mm), 158 gr Semi wad cutters (.38 and .357) 235 gr ball (45) and 24o gr Semi wad cutters or JHP's (.44). For long guns .55 gr in the 223, 180 gr in the 30-06 and 170 gr in the 30-30. I'm a pretty easy guy to please. As long as the gun goes boom when I want it to and hits relatively close to where I am aiming-I'm a a happy happy happy kinda guy. In the interest of full disclosure I have also been known to shoot a duck on the water 
elm_creek_smith
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I think someone who bashes one brand or another or type or another should be forced to carry and use either a Nagant 1895 revolver or a Jennings (Bryco) Model 38 for six months. B)
I don't (and won't) have a Jennings, but I do have a Nagant 1895. Guess what? I carry it occasionally!
I don't (and won't) have a Jennings, but I do have a Nagant 1895. Guess what? I carry it occasionally!
In the interest of full disclosure I have also been known to shoot a duck on the water
Around here, that's known as shooting dove on the highline . . .
BigBill
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If you get a good functioning 1911 it's as faithful as any brand of sks till we die.
The 1911 was my third gun purchase. No biggie. Chambered cocked and locked for ccw carry. Da it's that simple been doing it since 1975.
All my handguns go out for fresh air it's only fair to ccw them all.
The 1911 was my third gun purchase. No biggie. Chambered cocked and locked for ccw carry. Da it's that simple been doing it since 1975.
All my handguns go out for fresh air it's only fair to ccw them all.
BigBill
Absent Comrade
Think about this I understand what the point is. If the person is new to guns totally green maybe a revolver is a better choice over a pistol. If they never touched a gun before.
A lot of us grew up with guns. We need to understand there are more people who aren't into guns when they were kids.
My first experience with guns was with the local shooting club as a kid in 22cal rifle competition.
A lot of us grew up with guns. We need to understand there are more people who aren't into guns when they were kids.
My first experience with guns was with the local shooting club as a kid in 22cal rifle competition.
Honestly, I think that we may start arguing semantics soon. I didn't see the poster of the thread in question bashing a brand, but instead expressing an opinion about a model or type of handgun.
As a long range rifleman, I have developed some justifiable preferences that I will gladly offer, if asked. I will discourage anyone building a precision target rifle from purchasing anything Norinco as a chasis, the same as i have some quality concerns about the quality of some AR lowers as a chasis for a long range AR.
However, the initial poster had reservations about a 1911 as a carry arm, which have some credibility. I have a fondness for the 1911, and it will be my first choice of sidearm when I have to turn to one, EXCEPT for my bedside night stand arm. It is my OPINION, that in the hands of an inexperienced shooter (or someone not fully awake) the 1911 can be delicate and tricky to fire.
It is my opinion, that under stressful conditions, an inexperienced or barely awake shooter could accidentally discharge their condition 1 1911. These pistols can be touchy! Properly gripped, all of the safeties can be disengaged, and just too much finger on the trigger, add a little stress, and you have the stage set for an unintended discharge. Add a worn sear, and in a really stressful situation, you have the potential for a repeating unintentional discharge.
Granted, the military trained thousands and thousands of GIs how to shoot the 1911, I doubt that they carried them in the flap holsters in condition 1. When I have placed my 1911 in the GI holster, the flap would not secure unless the hammer was at rest in either condition 2 or 3.
As a long range rifleman, I have developed some justifiable preferences that I will gladly offer, if asked. I will discourage anyone building a precision target rifle from purchasing anything Norinco as a chasis, the same as i have some quality concerns about the quality of some AR lowers as a chasis for a long range AR.
However, the initial poster had reservations about a 1911 as a carry arm, which have some credibility. I have a fondness for the 1911, and it will be my first choice of sidearm when I have to turn to one, EXCEPT for my bedside night stand arm. It is my OPINION, that in the hands of an inexperienced shooter (or someone not fully awake) the 1911 can be delicate and tricky to fire.
It is my opinion, that under stressful conditions, an inexperienced or barely awake shooter could accidentally discharge their condition 1 1911. These pistols can be touchy! Properly gripped, all of the safeties can be disengaged, and just too much finger on the trigger, add a little stress, and you have the stage set for an unintended discharge. Add a worn sear, and in a really stressful situation, you have the potential for a repeating unintentional discharge.
Granted, the military trained thousands and thousands of GIs how to shoot the 1911, I doubt that they carried them in the flap holsters in condition 1. When I have placed my 1911 in the GI holster, the flap would not secure unless the hammer was at rest in either condition 2 or 3.
Badkarma 1
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Never paid much mind to an instructors opinion on what best weapon wise since his/her hands are different from mine and his/her technique might be different as well.
To quote Bruce Lee "Absord only what is useful." Or something to that effect.
Simply put your there to learn the ins and outs of gunfighting and possibly the aftermath. If it suddenly breaks down into a "mine is better than yours because" thing, you've wasted your money and time!
Dale
To quote Bruce Lee "Absord only what is useful." Or something to that effect.
Simply put your there to learn the ins and outs of gunfighting and possibly the aftermath. If it suddenly breaks down into a "mine is better than yours because" thing, you've wasted your money and time!
Dale
I took the NRA course just because I could and someday in the future some kind of official class might be required. Both the instructors carried 1911s, but covered and displayed a wide range of weapons. They never knocked any of them. Did mention the draw backs of the single action revolvers, but mostly focused on the positives of each type of gun.
At the range portion, I was the only one who had revolvers, a Taurus 431 in 44 special (before I picked up my 696) and a model 36. I was also the first one they approved after shooting just one target with each revolver, but the rest were rather new to handguns. I hung around and fired a bunch more rounds just because. One of them did make a remark about me being able to stand around while the rest chased down their brass.
At the range portion, I was the only one who had revolvers, a Taurus 431 in 44 special (before I picked up my 696) and a model 36. I was also the first one they approved after shooting just one target with each revolver, but the rest were rather new to handguns. I hung around and fired a bunch more rounds just because. One of them did make a remark about me being able to stand around while the rest chased down their brass.
Faulkner
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Ain't it great living in America where you can freely express your opinion even if you're wrong.
(A):1911 isn't a brand.
(B):Giving ones professional opinion and offering guidelines isn't bashing.
(B):Giving ones professional opinion and offering guidelines isn't bashing.
This wasn't an instructor, but a gun shop owner who advised me not to carry my 70 series 1911 because it didn't have a firing pin safety. Oh he didn't try to sell me something else and he's a competition shooter in 1911 matches so he had some cred.
My CCW instructor didn't care what the students brought as long as it was safe and able to complete the required course of fire.
My CCW instructor didn't care what the students brought as long as it was safe and able to complete the required course of fire.
BigBill
Absent Comrade
When the opinion and ego become one with the false power trip injection then it's bashing. I listen to some good points and scrap the rest.
I tend to keep my mouth shut because through the barrage I might of learned something. At the gun shops or public ranges you can run into this stuff too.
I tend to keep my mouth shut because through the barrage I might of learned something. At the gun shops or public ranges you can run into this stuff too.
So. like others, I am a state-licensed concealed carry instructor. Just as there is no perfect (for everyone) pickup truck, there is no perfect (for everyone) weapon. An appropriate and concealed weapon for me (I'm 6'4" tall, 240 lbs) is not likely to be concealable on a woman 5'5" tall and weighing 105 lbs. As a big boy, it is FAR easier for me to conceal a 1911, a Beretta 92FS, a Glock 22 or an M&P45. * * * What IS important is that it is far better to have any kind of a firearm in a crisis than nothing at all. Check the stats; more people are shot to death with a 22 cal. than anything else.
You may be right that more people are killed with .22 cal. rimfire than anything else, but that doesn't mean that they were stopped. They may have died weeks later from blood poisoning.
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I have a friend whose only handgun as of 5 years ago was a Lorcin .32 ACP. I cleaned and test fired it for him and it put a full magazine full of Blazer FMJ down range with no hiccups. I let him know that I didn't consider the gun, cartridge or load optimal, but it worked.
If he had brought the gun to a CCL class and had been able to fire the qualification course I would have still mentioned my concerns...privately.
My friend now has a Springfield XD-M for HD and a Shield as his CC, both in 9mm. Neither would have been my choice. I forget his ammo choice, but it was quality SD stuff.
I wouldn't consider criticizing anyone's selection of firearm unless I knew it to have a long and pervasive track record of failure and, in the case of an instruction situation, the specific weapon failed during use. In that case, I'd consider it malpractice not to mention that the owner could expect continued failure at the worst possible time.
The Lorcin was close.
If he had brought the gun to a CCL class and had been able to fire the qualification course I would have still mentioned my concerns...privately.
My friend now has a Springfield XD-M for HD and a Shield as his CC, both in 9mm. Neither would have been my choice. I forget his ammo choice, but it was quality SD stuff.
I wouldn't consider criticizing anyone's selection of firearm unless I knew it to have a long and pervasive track record of failure and, in the case of an instruction situation, the specific weapon failed during use. In that case, I'd consider it malpractice not to mention that the owner could expect continued failure at the worst possible time.
The Lorcin was close.
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Rastoff
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Yeah, I checked the stats and this is simply not true. Of all the data I can find, the .38SPL leads the list if you include all murders ever. If you narrow it to more recent times, the 9mm starts to climb higher than the .38SPL, but both are still higher than the .22LR.
That is not to say a .22 is completely useless as a self-defense gun. It has been used effectively.
Shot placement is far more valuable than caliber.
Make's "em" feel macho and knowledgeable to themselves in front of people they thing know less than they do.
The appearance of a gun is far more valuable.
YMMV, but I cannot envision a situation in which I would have to shoot someone where shot placement would be possible. If I'm far enough away that I can extend my arms and use the sights, I most likely won't need to shoot. If I have to shoot someone, it will be a few feet or less. Additionally, many firearms encounters occur in low light, where the sights can't even be seen.
Shot placement is a fantasy. A bigger caliber is better. Pistols are crappy PDWs, anyway. Carry the biggest caliber you can handle comfortably.
G.T. Smith
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In my honest opinion, I think that if you have a 1911 and you start customizing it with all the millions of after market goodies like grip safeties and different springs and bushings and filing this and filing that you are gonna wind up with some kind of malfunction sooner or later. Leave it like JMB designed it and it will run fine. I have read literally 100's of gun smithing and trouble shooting pages on 1911 forums and have come to believe that almost every problem arose form some type of mod done by the owner or gunsmith. I have one that shot perfectly right out of the box and has never had a malfunction through many many rounds. Just my observation. Probably not right but whatever.
Peace,
gordon
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gordon
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