Why hate the lock?

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Why so much negativity about the locks on new S&W revolvers? I have old Smith's and new, and don't see any functional difference. I don't use the lock, but put one of the keys on my key ring just in case.
 
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Why so much negativity about the locks on new S&W revolvers? I have old Smith's and new, and don't see any functional difference. I don't use the lock, but put one of the keys on my key ring just in case.
 
1. They are like teats on a boar hog -- there's no need for them.
2. They are unsightly.
3. They have demonstrated a tendency -- particularly in the lightweight and ultra-lightweight revolvers -- to switch themselves "on" and tie up function.
 
Because, on rare occasions, it will engage itself for no obvious reason, locking up the revolver. This is not really a good quality in a defensive revolver.
 
I sometimes wonder whether people post these "why do some hate the lock" questions just to provoke the usual responses.

In order to save time, here's a summary of what is likely to be said on this thread:

Some will tell you that the lock is inherently defective, that (some? many? one or two?) lock equipped guns will lock up spontaneously when fired or even when dry fired.

Others will tell you that Smith installed the lock because it caved to the evil Clintons' political pressure and that they hate it because it symbolizes a surrender of 2nd amendment rights or a sellout to a left-wing cabal.

Others will generalize from their disdain for the lock to a broader attack on all of the changes that Smith has made in its revolvers since about 1970. These include elimination of pinned barrels, recessed cylinders, and substitution of metal injection moulded (MIM) parts for forged parts. There are probably even a few out there who curse the introduction of stainless steel models.

Others (count me as one of them) will tell you that they are skeptical that there is any defect in lock design. We'll concede that a lock can fail once in a blue moon, as can any mechanical part, but we'll dispute that locks are a significant problem affecting the reliability of Smith revolvers. We'll also tell you that Smith's decision to install locks in its revolvers is, at bottom, a business decision which will very likely not change despite all of the railing about the "evil lock" that a few make on this and other forums.

And, we'll tell you that we're not "lock fans" (even though a few have labeled us that way), that we are indifferent to the locks and have gotten past the fact that they're gonna be there, use them or not.

There, you now have both sides in a nutshell. You can probably save yourself a lot of time if you don't read further. On the other hand, the back and forth on this issue can be pretty amusing, so feel free to enjoy the ride
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Stevieboy - That was a pretty good summary of the lock situation.

Personally, I like the older S&W revolvers anyway, and always buy used rather than new. So the lock doesn't bother me because I don't have any guns using the lock. Because new S&W revolvers have the lock, my old ones are probably worth more, which is good for me.
 
I don't have any with the lock. And I don't hate them. With me its just the principle of the thing. Not saying I would never buy one. So far I havn't had to.
 
First post is specifically about the lock. Question/statement indicates the poster is already knowledgable or knows the answer to their own question.

Smells like a troll to me.
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Its more them the just the lock:
-MIM Parts.
-Frame mounted firing pin.
-Laser and billboard lettering.
-Two piece barrels.
-Rubber grips.
-Pressed wood/glue grips.

The good old days of S&W are gone.
 
Originally posted by Roger Norris:
Why so much negativity about the locks on new S&W revolvers? I have old Smith's and new, and don't see any functional difference. I don't use the lock, but put one of the keys on my key ring just in case.
I suggest that you hang a set of Brownell's Smith screwdrivers on your keyring as well.
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Originally posted by 4864:
Its more them the just the lock:
-MIM Parts.
-Frame mounted firing pin.
-Laser and billboard lettering.
-Two piece barrels.
-Rubber grips.
-Pressed wood/glue grips.
The good old days of S&W are gone.

Are you technically advanced enough to elaborate on all of these things, or are you just spouting off about things you have read in the forums? In other words, prove to us that you know what you are talking about, and why these are bad things. Show documented proof.
 
Originally posted by akr:
Originally posted by 4864:
Its more them the just the lock:
-MIM Parts.
-Frame mounted firing pin.
-Laser and billboard lettering.
-Two piece barrels.
-Rubber grips.
-Pressed wood/glue grips.
The good old days of S&W are gone.

Are you technically advanced enough to elaborate on all of these things, or are you just spouting off about things you have read in the forums? In other words, prove to us that you know what you are talking about, and why these are bad things. Show documented proof.

I think you need to tone it down a bit. I don't have to prove any thing to you. I have been shooting S&W guns my whole life. I think you need to read the last part of my post.
 
Must agree with the gentleman from the Frigid North, in every respect. FWIW, I am "technically advanced enough" to know, and have spent more time inside the guts of both old and new S&Ws than most gunfans have spent shooting them. Besides, just how much "technical advancement" is needed to recognize the aesthetic downturn represented by laser billboards and fakewood grips? And no less an expert than Alex Hamilton has written about the defective nature of the two-piece barrel design.
 
In other words, neither one of you are offering anything other than your own personal opinions. In other words, you can't prove to anyone why a 2 piece bbl is inferior to a one piece bbl. for one thing. Some say it is an improvement. My S&W guns do not fit your description, so you need to brush up on a few things.
 
AKR = Troll, instigator, professional feces disturber = added to Ignore list

Gentlemen, don't engage the trolls and they will crawl back under their rocks.
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I own four IL guns. Why? Two are 12oz, corrosion-free, .357 pocket guns that I can carry all day without a thought, and two are 23oz, corrosion-free, N-frame 45acp 6-shot revolvers that I can carry all day and hardly notice I'm wearing them. If I knew where to get these guns without a lock I probably would. They only come with the IL, though, so I live with it (and disable it, of course). Once disabled the lock should be a non-issue except to collectors of prelock guns, and fanatics.
 
Duke and Pinky, you are both correct. I only posted the second time to confirm what should have been obvious. Must be one of Petty Charlie's cousins. Ignore, it is!!
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