Will I overpay again?

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In the past when I have pined over a specific gun I feel I sometimes overpaid when I found the "right" one. I have no regrets on any of them as I buy to keep but I think it would be prudent to get some input on this one to keep me in check a bit.

LNIB 3953TSW pre-rail. Seller asking $650 shipped. I, of course, think that's about $100 high but the pre-rail is scarce especially LNIB. It sure would look nice next to my 3913TSW. Thoughts?
 
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I have expended many hours locating a special gun for someone only to be told, "Well, I think that's a little high."

So are you looking for a special hard-to-find gun or are you looking for a bargain? I don't waste my time looking for bargains, because they are usually unexpected, and not what I really want.
 
Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten. If it's, for me, the perfect gun, I don't mind paying.

Who's to say what the right price is, I have no doubt I usually pay a premium but I am always thrilled with the result. That premium is maybe the cost of a box or two of ammo so not big deal in the grand scheme.

Buy the one you like and enjoy.
 
Thanks for the replies. It's good to see that others think the way I do. I'm not sure why I'm hesitating on the $$ part of this one. I think I've read too many posts of deals I wish I could find.

I thought for a moment that I have too many 3rd gens already but immediately dismissed that nonsense.
 
lhump1961 said:
In the past when I have pined over a specific gun I feel I sometimes overpaid when I found the "right" one. I have no regrets on any of them as I buy to keep but I think it would be prudent to get some input on this one to keep me in check a bit.

LNIB 3953TSW pre-rail. Seller asking $650 shipped. I, of course, think that's about $100 high but the pre-rail is scarce especially LNIB. It sure would look nice next to my 3913TSW. Thoughts?
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Like-new-in-original-box counts a whole lot with me. :) I don't think that price (including shipping) is crazy out of line given the scarcity and desirability of that particular pistol. That said, I think you are right in your assessment that the asking price (including shipping) is about $100-$125 (+/-) over what most folks would consider attractive. :o

Add on a transfer fee of $25.00 for an out-of-pocket cost of $675 and I couldn't pull it off, even with wife pre-approval. :o But that doesn't mean it's not worth it. ;) If it really is as clean as you say, at a price tag of, say, $549-$599 plus sales tax in one of our local shops it would be gone in less than one week. :)
 
Meanwhile, out here in left field, I'd say that if it's above market, then it's above market and you should walk away. The reason it's above market is because someone before you "bought too soon". If you overpay today, next week someone else will be expected to overpay even more.

I know, the argument cuts both ways.
 
As I said before I sure wish they would produce em again but the price might take our breath away! But I bet they would sell pretty quick
 
AlHunt said:
Meanwhile, out here in left field, I'd say that if it's above market, then it's above market and you should walk away. The reason it's above market is because someone before you "bought too soon". If you overpay today, next week someone else will be expected to overpay even more.

I know, the argument cuts both ways.
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I agree. While I love finding a bargain, I don't mind paying the going rate and greatly dislike paying over market price.
 
We all know one person, who is never happy with prices, plus other things. He always has a story how he got it for less. He talked the guy down, outsmarted him and on and on.
My 1st question is always, why does this happen to you, all he time. Generally I have, and I am sure most of us do this, check it out way before walking into the store. 75% of my firearms come from a 'real stores'. Gun Shows, for me, are for ammo, holsters, cleaning, etc..
It give peace of mind. If I pay a bit more----'so be it'. Evey once in a while, when questioning a gun and he sees I am ready to walk, He will
drop it with out me saying anything. I was never any good at haggling anyway. Its fine Ihump. Have peace of mind. ( Thank you USMC Ihump. You'z Guy'z were my Instructor's @ Little Creek Va in 50 cal down to 38's and did a fine, fine job)
 
It never hurts to ask for a better deal in a store.
I've often asked it open-ended like that,
sometimes they'll come down more than you expected,
and sometimes they'll not move a penny down ;)

Look at it this way, since so many Rep's are going to stay home,
Hillary will win and then gun prices will shoot thru the dang roof again,
so buy it now, and watch the prices triple after she gets in office,
if she doesn't ban 90% of 'em outright...
which means the black market will then be a seller's only choice...
like in Commiefornia, where Brown just screwed legitimate gun owners.
 

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lhump1961 said:
Thanks for the replies. It's good to see that others think the way I do. I'm not sure why I'm hesitating on the $$ part of this one. I think I've read too many posts of deals I wish I could find.

I thought for a moment that I have too many 3rd gens already but immediately dismissed that nonsense.
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You can only consider deals that you find yourself,not what others might have found.Same as shopping for a car or girlfriend.
There will no doubt be someone here who says that 550 is too much for that gun,and someone who is willing to pay 750.
 
You can price shop for canned corn. You can probably price shop for a used 5906. You're pretty much going to pay the price for a LNIB 25yr old uncommon pistol that you've always wanted,.......or you're not going to have one.

Pretty sure they're still printing C-notes. You always get another one of those.
 
I think its hard to say where Hillary will end up. Either in the Whitehouse or the Big House possibly for crimes she may have committed. Anybodys guess is as good as mine is also.
 
What's this market price stuff?
I see guns sold in the classifieds for way more than I'd ever dream of paying, yet someone here bought it, sometimes in minutes.

There may be a market price for new guns, but for out of production, hard to find and the like, all bets are off.

I've run an ad for 3 1/2 months in the classifieds with not one offer to sell a non bumpered 3953TSW at any price.


Did you buy it yet? :)
 
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ladder13 said:
What's this market price stuff?
I see guns sold in the classifieds for way more than I'd ever dream of paying, yet someone here bought it, sometimes in minutes.

There may be a market price for new guns, but for out of production, hard to find and the like, all bets are off.

I've run an ad for 3 1/2 months in the classifieds with not one offer to sell a non bumpered 3953TSW at any price.


Did you buy it yet? :)
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What he said.You like it,you can afford it,it's worth 650 to YOU.What,and who else matters? If you have to find one for 50 less,than you can't really afford it or you really don't like it that much.If you're obsessed with it's value going forward,again,you can't afford it financially or emotionally,and part of the fun just fell out of the deal.
 
Big Shrek said:
It never hurts to ask for a better deal in a store.
I've often asked it open-ended like that,
sometimes they'll come down more than you expected,
and sometimes they'll not move a penny down ;)

Look at it this way, since so many Rep's are going to stay home,
Hillary will win and then gun prices will shoot thru the dang roof again,
so buy it now, and watch the prices triple after she gets in office,
if she doesn't ban 90% of 'em outright...
which means the black market will then be a seller's only choice...
like in Commiefornia, where Brown just screwed legitimate gun owners.
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Prices through the roof. Was at a gun show last week. I attend 6 to 8 a year. Prices for AR's way down and they said 'not for long'. Generally the line at 9am would be 50 -100 people long and it moves fast. Last time when Obama got in, the line was about 1/4 mile. Our nice quiet sport has been destroyed by people who have no idea what they are doing.Here's the funny part, they don't believe their action have anything to do with sales. Even stranger- The AR prices were over the top, if you could find them. But ammo shortage lasted a short time.............( this is Pa. I don't know about the other States) Picture this- US Military changes side arm. Also rifle caliber to that .277 round. Can you picture the market then. A true Mad House. Just my luck.. I have all I need. Well, have been looking at the Sig 227 and the new S&W Revolver .45 acp. I could force myself.

~LATER~
BILL--------------------------------------------->
 
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ladder13 said:
What's this market price stuff?
I see guns sold in the classifieds for way more than I'd ever dream of paying, yet someone here bought it, sometimes in minutes.

There may be a market price for new guns, but for out of production, hard to find and the like, all bets are off.

I've run an ad for 3 1/2 months in the classifieds with not one offer to sell a non bumpered 3953TSW at any price.

Did you buy it yet? :)
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To determine market price, I start out at retail. Then I start looking for ads to see what the going asking price is. That works for most guns out there. For the more unusual or discontinued items, I still search out ads, both on commercial sites like GB, and on forums like this one. GB reminds me of ebay in that they do get a lot of bidders who are either uninformed on what an item should sell for (both bidders and sellers), or they want something bad and price be damned. And just like ebay, I take those sales and pretty much ignore them. I'll look instead for BIN sales, which may not be available at the price I'm willing to pay immediately, but patience is a virtue and hasn't failed me yet.
 
Ihump1961, Have you bought it? I would make a offer on it and ask what his bottom line is on the price. Everybody has a bottom line which generally is lower then you wish to pay.Thats probably why he has it priced as high as he does as it gives him room to go down somewhat. Thats what I would do if I were the seller.
 
Don't worry what anyone else would pay. What's it worth to you?
I've paid $1000 for an old Smith pistol without a second thought because it was what I wanted. Then there's those pistols that others would pay $1000 for that I won't even give a second look. So do you really want it and are you willing to pay the price?
 
I agree with Twistedracer, if there is one that is on my bucket list that I have been looking for, I will pay what is necessary, with in reason. It is just how bad you want it, and never look back.
 
For me, even if it were "overpriced" by $50-100, so what? Again, somewhat rare gun, no offers to sell closing in on 4 months.
I'm not the kind who waits 2, 3, 4 years just to "buy right". What's $100 over a couple years.
I don't drink, smoke, or play the horses.

In other news, SWHC is approaching $28, up some 6-700% over the past 5 years. :cool: Now THAT'S an investment. ;)
 
ladder13 said:
For me, even if it were "overpriced" by $50-100, so what? Again, somewhat rare gun, no offers to sell closing in on 4 months. I'm not the kind who waits 2, 3, 4 years just to "buy right". What's $100 over a couple years.
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I see you are a devotee of the infamous BAM Formula. Just make sure you've got enough of them "good years" left to amortize your BAM Formula premiums! :p I'm fast running out of "good years" myself so that approach doesn't work for me. :(

ladder13 said:
I don't drink, smoke, or play the horses.
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I won't ask you about fast women. ;) For too many years, that was my unfortunate weakness. :o

ladder13 said:
In other news, SWHC is approaching $28, up some 6-700% over the past 5 years. :cool: Now THAT'S an investment. ;)
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So why the heck didn't I buy when it was below $10? :( :confused: I'd be wealthy today! :)
 
TTSH said:
I see you are a devotee of the infamous BAM Formula. Just make sure you've got enough of them "good years" left to amortize your BAM Formula premiums! :p I'm fast running out of "good years" myself so that approach doesn't work for me. :(


I won't ask you about fast women. ;) For too many years, that was my unfortunate weakness. :o


So why the heck didn't I buy when it was below $10? :( :confused: I'd be wealthy today! :)
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I haven't been on any formula since I was a newborn :p

I bought a few ;) shares around 6, but not enough to go buy a home in Malibu :rolleyes: :D
 
I use a Hot 20 List...
stuff I'm always looking for until I get it...
F'rinstance, a Wilkerson Terry or Linda...
Calico 9mm's or .40's...
Star's last Generation models...(Firestar, Ultrastar, Megastar)
A Grant Hammond .45acp...(Which is, honestly, a huge piece of junk,
but historically important, so I want one ;) )

Since I go into around 10-20 pawn shops a month in three states,
one never quite knows what'll pop up,
so keeping a 22nd edition Stoeger Gun Trader's Guide on hand is a plus.
Why such an old one? Better writeups on those 80's & 90's pistols I like ;)
 
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