Will we ever learn about this Virus !?

[wheelgun28]

MEH...

People will believe what they will.

If you believe that some big government cares about you or your well being, I feel sorry for you.

If you cannot make decisions that are best for you and your situation, I feel sorry for you.

If your hiding in your home until a vaccine is developed, I feel sorry for you.

The death rate of the infected is way down, so either they are treating the ill better or people being infected are in better health.

Some folks say opening up is bad, they are the same folks that put infected people in with the most vulnerable amongst us, and then blame others for the poor decisions.

Do as you wish, don't try to make me do as you wish.

 

[ladder13]

MEH...

People will believe what they will.

If you believe that some big government cares about you or your well being, I feel sorry for you.

If you cannot make decisions that are best for you and your situation, I feel sorry for you.

If your hiding in your home until a vaccine is developed, I feel sorry for you.

The death rate of the infected is way down, so either they are treating the ill better or people being infected are in better health.

Some folks say opening up is bad, they are the same folks that put infected people in with the most vulnerable amongst us AND KILLED THEM, and then blame others for the poor decisions.

Do as you wish, don't try to make me do as you wish.

fixed it for ya

 

[Jon651]

Well, the one thing I have definitely learned from this repeated discussion is that you can't instill concern for the whole of us into certain individuals. The false narratives, false facts, cherry-picking and willful ignorance will always continue regardless because more than a few just don't WANT to know the truth - or think they know better, or they just want to argue, or take your pick of any silly argument they make that is more likely to prolong our problems than even remotely contribute to a solution.

Preach all you want about making the decisions that are only right for you, but we as a nation would have been a lot better off and even further along our way to overcoming this pandemic except too many of us willfully chose to concern themselves with ONLY themselves. Unfortunately, too many have forgotten that the Constitution starts with "WE THE PEOPLE" and not "I THE PERSON", but that is how they choose to live and there is nothing I nor anyone else can do about it except continue to call out their falsehoods as they crop up.

 

[biku324]

^^^^Yes. This is why the EU has 3000 new cases a day and we have 29,000 in roughly the same size population with roughly the same amount of testing. They're getting good results and we're not; how they've done that we could as well - it is exactly the same virus in exactly the same mammal.

 

[Rule3]

OH gee another virus thread
Major cities in Florida are making masks mandatory. Of course people will do what ever the heck they want. Leave your virus in your own States



Enjoy you vacation if in one of those cities. No worries it's only a cold.


Most major Florida cities now require wearing face masks in public


Some major Florida cities have decided to take action locally. A mandatory non-negotiable order is now in place for residents in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, St. Petersburg and Orange County. Every person in a public place must be wearing a face mask.

St. Petersburg will also require face coverings as of 5 p.m. Friday.
Miami requires face masks in restaurants unless seated at a table, when going to and from the beach, at dog parks. The city of Fort Lauderdale requires people to wear a face-covering when inside any essential business or service amid the coronavirus pandemic.
Monroe County -- the Florida Keys -- also requires face coverings.

 

[brucev]

^^^^Yes. This is why the EU has 3000 new cases a day and we have 29,000 in roughly the same size population with roughly the same amount of testing. They're getting good results and we're not; how they've done that we could as well - it is exactly the same virus in exactly the same mammal.

The central governments of most EU member countries have far more power to act unrestrained by civil rights concerns and are able to make use of a far more centralized medical structure, etc. This is not the case in the USA where power/decision making is retained by the individual states as per the COTUS. Sincerely. bruce.

 

[oldbrownhat]

FWIW, here's an article from The Guardian in the UK. Seems well-balanced and honest- no silver bullet, just continued hard work.

I'm a viral immunologist. Here's what antibody tests for Covid-19 tell us

From serology to T-cells, there's still a lot we don't know about how immunity to coronavirus works​

The sheer speed with which Covid-19 spread across the world, coupled with the novel nature of the virus, has meant that scientists and technicians have been playing a game of catch-up. But our knowledge, though incomplete, is now much greater than it was at the start of the outbreak....

 

[venomballistics]

What the naysayers seem to want
is a neat, all-encompassing set of
rules, once issued and never changed.

What does seem true is where the known
regulations have been eased or done away
with, spikes in the virus have consistently
occurred after the "incubation" period of
two or less weeks.

Both incorrect.
Everyone should have a browser tab open to worldometers.
They have been posting the raw numbers from day one.
No talking heads, just the numbers.
If there's a spike, you should be able to see it for yourself. The media can shove it at this point.
Finger wagging at a momentary occurrence while ignoring the long term carnage and failure is doing us no favors.
For as badly as Florida's Governor got his face spanked over this while New York's was exulted as some kind of hero savior, the bottom line does not reflect this. Florida is not in the 10 hardest hit, but the chosen one tops the list.

10 worst Per Capita total cases rank thus.

1)New York
2)New Jersey
3)Rhode Island
4)Massachusetts
5)Washington D.C.
6)Connecticut
7)Louisiana
8)Delaware
9)Illinois
10)Maryland


Here's the raw numbers as they happen. Get usin' em

 

[Nevada Ed]

LVSteve;

ah yes and by the way........
we have felt TWO of those "Shakey, bumpy, shimmy" things up here, lately not just one.

Hope it is not like nine years ago where we had tremors every other day for two months.........
sort of unnerving waiting for the Big one to come.

 

[ladder13]

Both incorrect.
Everyone should have a browser tab open to worldometers.
They have been posting the raw numbers from day one.
No talking heads, just the numbers.
If there's a spike, you should be able to see it for yourself. The media can shove it at this point.
Finger wagging at a momentary occurrence while ignoring the long term carnage and failure is doing us no favors.
For as badly as Florida's Governor got his face spanked over this while New York's was exulted as some kind of hero savior, the bottom line does not reflect this. Florida is not in the 10 hardest hit, but the chosen one tops the list.

10 worst Per Capita total cases rank thus.

1)New York
2)New Jersey
3)Rhode Island
4)Massachusetts
5)Washington D.C.
6)Connecticut
7)Louisiana
8)Delaware
9)Illinois
10)Maryland


Here's the raw numbers as they happen. Get usin' em

The "chosen one" opened the hen house doors (nursing homes) and let the foxes (virus) run wild. Killing over 6,000 so far, now paints himself as some hero.

 

[The Big D]

Don't be too hard on yourself.

Your post describes you...exactly.

You are among the doomers who are only thinking about yourselves. You ignore...still...the 30 MILLION Americans who remain unemployed.

You and other doomers should consider what is best for the vast majority...not just your own teeny, tiny part of the universe.

Though I hope this question won't have to be answered, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN COVID-20 COMES ALONG?

Well, the one thing I have definitely learned from this repeated discussion is that you can't instill concern for the whole of us into certain individuals. The false narratives, false facts, cherry-picking and willful ignorance will always continue regardless because more than a few just don't WANT to know the truth - or think they know better, or they just want to argue, or take your pick of any silly argument they make that is more likely to prolong our problems than even remotely contribute to a solution.

Preach all you want about making the decisions that are only right for you, but we as a nation would have been a lot better off and even further along our way to overcoming this pandemic except too many of us willfully chose to concern themselves with ONLY themselves. Unfortunately, too many have forgotten that the Constitution starts with "WE THE PEOPLE" and not "I THE PERSON", but that is how they choose to live and there is nothing I nor anyone else can do about it except continue to call out their falsehoods as they crop up.

 

[biku324]

The central governments of most EU member countries have far more power to act unrestrained by civil rights concerns and are able to make use of a far more centralized medical structure, etc. This is not the case in the USA where power/decision making is retained by the individual states as per the COTUS. Sincerely. bruce.

That's off target.

I was in SE Europe across the Adriatic from Venice when this kicked off. As governments and ordinary people watched in horror, the varied governments at all levels (yes, they have varied forms of national, provincial, cantonal, district, and municipal governments) tried to put in place methods that worked; the citizenry mostly pulled together to try to mitigate the death and illnesses. Most everyone pulled together because they understood each other's lives are dependent upon one another. We are rather obviously incapable of that today as our results have proven. We can try to make excuses about it, but our inability to work together is killing us.

The notion that iron-fisted unitary governments in the EU used raw power to enforce draconian measures is simply not true. At the end of the day, no government can force people to be respectful of each other and concerned about our fellow man.

 

[Dougaz]

Pretty amazing stuff. We (AZ) has just recently turned the health decisions over to individual cities, that way our governor won't or can't be blamed as our numbers continue to go up.

Most cities have implemented a mandatory mask for all businesses that are open to the public and that's where the wheels start to fall off. I went to my gun club (Scottsdale) and they have a big warning sign that in order to enter masks are required. I put mine on, walked in and I was the only one in there (with the exception of the direct employees) that wore a mask.

Same thing at our favorite restaurant ..... No wonder our numbers are so high!

 

[OFT II]

I can understand not wearing a mask at a restaurant. It makes eating a bit messy. There is no reason that I can think of for not wearing one in other business places though.

 

[UncleEd]

To those who cite the huge
numbers of unemployed, if
things are opened up more
the numbers will increase as
the virus spreads.

Trouble is, realistic answers
to helping the unemployed will
only open the door to even
more economic dissension in
threads like this one.

 

[venomballistics]

To those who cite the huge
numbers of unemployed, if
things are opened up more
the numbers will increase as
the virus spreads.

Trouble is, realistic answers
to helping the unemployed will
only open the door to even
more economic dissension in
threads like this one.

the problem with this statement still remains.
It cannot be true.
The states that jumped all in on the heaviest restrictions at the beginning have the worst end results.

The course of action has failed. Why keep doing it if it failed?

 

[biku324]

There are no 'end results' as there is neither a vaccine nor an effective treatment.

 

[old bear]

I watched an interview on the noon news yesterday with two young women sitting at an outdoor restaurant in Florida...both stated defiantly that they will NOT wear masks....

When I hear stuff like that, it strikes me that people like this are basically raising a big middle finger to the rest of society...

I will bet five weeks from now neither of those Lovely's will remember their comments. Yet, I am willing to wager a lot more money that five years from now neither will forget the date a family member or friend died from the virus. Not that I hope the above happens.

 

[PatriotX]

I respectfully invite anyone who feels this to not be a huge deal to come view a shift at the local ED.

Not wanting to dox the docs, I won't post the specifics here. I'm happy to share with anyone who reaches out to me the details from the 'horse's mouth'

 

[dockmurgw]

Yet, I am willing to wager a lot more money that five years from now neither will forget the date a family member or friend died from the virus. Not that I hope the above happens.

I would wager even more that 5 years from now, many people will be remembering the date a family member or friend died from the virus response. Suicides, OD's, drug abuse, alcoholism, cancer deaths, deaths from various medical conditions that were not diagnosed...all on the rise and predicted to rise due to the response to COVID. Bottom line, its not as simple and cut and dry as some here seem to believe. The your with us or you don't care about anyone but yourself attitude is selfish, short sighted and demonstrates a unwillingness to think critically. This is going to be a shock to some, but those of us that question the response to this virus really don't want everyone to die...we really dont! But heres something that will probably raise some hackles here...I worry more for the younger people with their whole future in front of them, that are losing everything, my kids and grand kids, than I do for myself or seniors with pre existing conditions that feel the entire country must suffer irreparable harm just to keep them safe.