Would we dare to fire to protect ourselves

[hangnoose]

SELF DEFENSE SHOOTING

(IF) it is truly a shoot or die situation whenever/wherever it may happen to be, that's a NO BRAINER FOR ME. That doesn't mean you couldn't be looking at jail time if the jury feels you weren't justified, OR you could be found not guilty (NOT INNOCENT MIND YOU) and broke. At least you would still be alive. A CCL does not make you a cop and a gun IS NOT a magic wand to wave around to get people to do what you tell them to. IMO don't pull it unless someone will die if you don't.

 

[OLDNAVYMCPO]

I know full well what I will do, been tested more than once (several), not found wanting. Mindset established long ago, and properly reinforced.

 

[sgtsandman]

(IF) it is truly a shoot or die situation whenever/wherever it may happen to be, that's a NO BRAINER FOR ME. That doesn't mean you couldn't be looking at jail time if the jury feels you weren't justified, OR you could be found not guilty (NOT INNOCENT MIND YOU) and broke. At least you would still be alive. A CCL does not make you a cop and a gun IS NOT a magic wand to wave around to get people to do what you tell them to. IMO don't pull it unless someone will die if you don't.

Ask George Zimmerman how that went for him. I would hate to be that man. It seems he can't keep from getting in trouble with the law now either. I don't know how much of it is a microscope on him and how much of it is from dealing with all the messy aftermath of a nationally covered and highly politically charged trial. His life will never be the same.

 

[arjay]

George will find trouble no matter what.Hes just that dumb [emoji57]

 

[hangnoose]

SGTSANDMAN

"Ask George Zim how that went for him". HE REMAINED ALIVE! Then went thru exactly what I said MIGHT happen. Today he should pick up a hot poker before a firearm, move somewhere safer & get a bodyguard. He's his own worst enemy.

 

[sgtsandman]

"Ask George Zim how that went for him". HE REMAINED ALIVE! Then went thru exactly what I said MIGHT happen. Today he should pick up a hot poker before a firearm, move somewhere safer & get a bodyguard. He's his own worst enemy.

That was more or less my point. I was agreeing with you and confirming what you said by using an example. And you are right about all the latter. Life for him will suck for a very long time.

 

[sgtsandman]

George will find trouble no matter what.Hes just that dumb [emoji57]

He certainly didn't make the best decisions that night and it seems like he's continuing the practice. But, it's easy to criticize from five States away (meaning me). I don't know all the facts and we all know darn well the media isn't going to give them all.

 

[Engine 21]

If you let somebody murder you, you have no worries.

No plan I have ever had, have now or ever WILL have in the future involves letting somebody harm me.

My solution to the immediate and credible threat of unlawful deadly force is the sudden, unannounced, and overwhelming application of deadly force until the threat is neutralized.

I don't care who doesn't like that or why. If somebody wants to harm me because I wouldn't let somebody else, connected to them or otherwise, harm me, then they'll just get more of the same.

Nobody who would counsel me to let myself be harmed would lift a FINGER to "protect" me.

Bingo!! Could not agree more. Thank you.

 

[bhayles]

Have any of you ever punched a lawyer?

***raises hand, waving it wildly***

I have...twice.

 

[cmort666]

Ask George Zimmerman how that went for him.

Ask the seven women who got shot without defending themselves in that Tinley Park, Illinois Lane Bryant store how that went for them... if you know how to hold a seance.

Regarding Zimmerman, it's been pretty obvious from early on that he's an impulsive hothead with a big mouth. That doesn't mean that he didn't have the right to defend himself. It does mean that some people create their own problems.

 

[BigCityChief]

I would certainly hope so.


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[fredj338]

He certainly didn't make the best decisions that night and it seems like he's continuing the practice. But, it's easy to criticize from five States away (meaning me). I don't know all the facts and we all know darn well the media isn't going to give them all.

Well if you paid attention to the trial, we pretty much do have all the facts. He was 100% justified in shooting Martin off him. The problem was he should never have put himself in that position. Why he still gets into trouble today, he doesn't have good judgment.

 

[badge]

I spent my time protecting others and now the only people I'm concerned about would be my wife and myself. I'm not a LEO anymore and I have no reason to confront bad guys. Unless I walked into a situation that I knew was going to go bad for me I would not get involved. As far as my mindset about carrying a weapon. My feeling is if you haven't mentally commited to being able to use your weapon you shouldn't be carrying it. The seconds you spend thinking should I, or shouldn't I, will cost you your life.

Also Goldstar225 couldn't have said it any better.

"If I am given the choice between defending myself or family and suffering bad publicity, legal fees, and other negative side effects vs. dying or watching a loved one die, the decision is a no brainer".

It's refreshing to see folks with the proper mindset,.... and by that I mean well thought out evaluations of lethal force. When you carry a firearm you have just assumed a very weighty burden of responsibility. Never, ever hope for a situation that involves your use your firearm. It is something to be avoided if at all possible. Sadly, of late, that sometimes is not possible and you will be forced to make that decision. It can be and in most cases is life changing but, if your comfortable with your training, your ability to articulate what you did and why, you will come out none the worse for wear. I am not referring to the sideshow that is a use of force,.. lawyers, courts, police, etc. Only you will know when you must deploy lethal force. Hope you never have to.

 

[Rogue Wizard]

***raises hand, waving it wildly***

I have...twice.

I would have paid money to watch that... both times! Or did you punch one lawyer twice?

 

[Moe Mentum]

Bottom line here is : If you aren't prepared to shoot, then you have no business carrying a gun.... The reason we carry is to protect our lives, and the lives of our loved ones, if you have second thoughts about it, then leave the gun home...buy a pair of sneakers.

 

[fredj338]

Bottom line here is : If you aren't prepared to shoot, then you have no business carrying a gun.... The reason we carry is to protect our lives, and the lives of our loved ones, if you have second thoughts about it, then leave the gun home...buy a pair of sneakers.

And/or a big dog, but there is liability in a big dog too.

 

[Houdini1953]

Formally being an attempted murder victim that was left for dead and then 10 days in a coma before I was even 20 years old, between myself and a bad guy under just about any circumstance I will fire on them till they are not a threat at all!

 

[Ranger17]

I recently got my permit but only consider it the first step. I know i need much more for training before i am ready to carry. So many variables to make sure the right choice can be made in a split second. I will say in home defense if needed i will do whatever to protect my wife and I, and the time will come when i am ready to do that out in the world as well.
Really a shame we even need to have this discussion but times arent going to get any better.

 

[bhayles]

I would have paid money to watch that... both times! Or did you punch one lawyer twice?

Two lawyers, two separate incidents. The one I took the most satisfaction from was whacking the USDA shyster.

 

[fredj338]

I recently got my permit but only consider it the first step. I know i need much more for training before i am ready to carry. So many variables to make sure the right choice can be made in a split second. I will say in home defense if needed i will do whatever to protect my wife and I, and the time will come when i am ready to do that out in the world as well.
Really a shame we even need to have this discussion but times arent going to get any better.

Actually, things have gotten quite a bit better across the country. Almost all states now issue ccw. Many state are shall issue. I believe, because more people ccw, & the bad guys know this, overall violent crimes are down.
Get some good training, then find a practice regime you can stick to improve your skills. The better you are with your weapon of choice, the less you have to think about the gun & can focus on the situation & proper tactics.