Yet Another Ridiculous Cartridge

[Rule3]

Don't forget to vent about Savage being sold and even though CZ makes wonderful rifles, (I have some) There are those that will vent and rant that it is not made in the US.

If I can't reload it I don't want it.

 

[yaktamer]

Easy dude!! Everyone is entitled to an opinion and we respect yours. Gun companies are going to do what they think is best and if you, me or anyone else doesn't like it, so what. Everyone has different likes and dislikes and they may not agree with you. Just think how boring and uninteresting life would be without change!

If only Bill Gates would have stuck to perfecting the typewriter, I wouldn't have had to read this!

 

[yaktamer]

Remember the 5mm Remington rf? An excellent varmint cartridge which failed. Only Remington made rifles for it and they were of mediocre quality. I'd bet if it had been chambered in a Winchester 75 it might have drawn more attention.
Maybe they should bring it back with a new name, like 5mm Zinger.

Didn't work so well for the 7mm Express (aka .280).

 

[Kanewpadle]

Gosh is it really that big a deal? I know guys that buy guns like a S&W 500 just to shoot. They don't hunt with it or use it for protection. How pointless could that be except for some pure enjoyment? So maybe regardless of whether you like it or not, someone somewhere might.

I shoot this XP100 in 221 Fireball when I can get outdoors. I suppose that way back when someone said the same about this cartridge too. Especially considering all the other great varmint rounds that exist.

But who cares? I love shooting this thing. I've got more ammo for it than I will ever need and varmints shudder when I arrive.

If gun/ammo manufacturers come up with something the rest of us might like, is it really hurting you that much?

Thank God we live in a country where we can choose!

 

[jkc]

( Bought any new savage 22's lately? I haven't.)

I have --- a MK-II bolt gun, blue (black) finish, not very fancy (cheap looking) synthetic stock, just barely legal length barrel, threaded-for-suppressor muzzle, with excellent-out-of-the-box Accu-Trigger. It ain't pretty, but it's accurate, apparently reliable (at least so far), 100% serviceable, and was only $260 plus tax, at Spragues retail shop in Yuma. I got a chance to shoot it a bit more this past weekend, as did a rifle-savvy friend, and we were both very favorably impressed (It's airgun quiet with standard velocity .22 rimfire, and no louder than the striker's mechanical "snap" with CCI "Quiet" ammo, with my AWC suppressor in place.) This gun could easily be tripled in price, or more, were it finished in decent, nicely checkered walnut, and deep, rich blueing, both of which would diminish its utility and demand fussy, careful handling --- who needs that?

As for the new Winchester Super Mushroom-Cloud .17 rimfire, eh, who needs that? Seems to me that the venerable .22 rimfire, and/or the ubiquitously and once (and maybe again?) inexpensively available .223 solve most problems of which .22 caliber cartridges are capable of solving...

 

[CH47gunner]

I shoot a boatload of .22lr - for a long time I was looking for something to fill the nitch between .22lr & my .223. I firmly believe the .22lr is pretty much only good out to approx. 75yds. (I know many are able to shoot accurately further but, I probably wouldn't take a hunting shot any further than the 75yds.).
I now have two .17HMR rifles that fill that nitch quite nicely. The .17HMR is good out to approx. 175yds, with 20gn bullets, and I've taken ground-squirrels out to 200yds., with minimal wind.
I really don't see a need for the 17WSSM cartridge but, whatever floats their boat.

 

[O2Guy]

I think I remember people saying the same kind of thing about the .22-250 and .40 S&W.

I still say it about the .40 S&W. If the Feds hadn't been such wimps it wouldn't ever have happened.

 

[walnutred]

Even though I've been reloading since the early '70 I like rimfires for "fun" shooting. Sometime I just want to shoot a couple boxes of ammo and NOT worry about where the brass is going. I'll probably buy the second left handed rifle in this caliber I see. Though in truth as a long time rimfire varmint hunter I really think an updated 25 Stevens is what we need rather than an updated 17.

 

[VAdoublegunner]

Ahhhh.....another Caffeine Free Diet Vanilla New Coke Zero.

Or something like that.

More self space in the store doesn't seem to work quite as well with rifle cartridges. They need to fire a few business school marketing geniuses and focus on turning out great rifles at a reasonable price that the public wants, in the popular chamberings. The critter on the receiving end of a skilled rifleman will never appreciate the subtle ballistics differences anyway.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

Short answer is they make it so they can sell it and make money.
Guns by and large do NOT wear out. You sell one to someone and that's pretty much it. Probably the ultimate in durable goods. Unless you can make up new stuff and convince people that they need it-once you sell everyone who wants a .38 a .38 then what you gonna do?????

 

[GyMac]

Short answer is they make it so they can sell it and make money.
Guns by and large do NOT wear out. You sell one to someone and that's pretty much it. Probably the ultimate in durable goods. Unless you can make up new stuff and convince people that they need it-once you sell everyone who wants a .38 a .38 then what you gonna do?????

Exactly. The vast majority of these rifles will be going to people who already own firearms, probably a lot of firearms. Plus, I think the "market" wants synthetic stocked, dull black firearms. Not me, though. I'm out of step with today's trends and know it.

 

[EllDee]

Also, in the interest of accuracy, I believe it's called the .17 Winchester Super Magnum, rather than "WSSM."

Thank you. I was going to go there.

 

[LouisianaJoe]

I have a CZ 452 Varmint in .17 Mach 2. I am glad I bought a lot of ammo for it. It will put 10 shots into a less than 1" group at 100 yds if the wind is not blowing. Closer to 2" if the wind is blowing.

I wonder how the new .17 will do in the wind.

 

[Rule3]

Heck, I bought a 327 Federal Magnum. I reload, so ammo is not a problem. It died on the vine (OK, all you naysayers you won)

But I still like the round and it is a awesome 6 shoot snubby. I'll take it over a 5 shot 38 Spl.

 

[51plymouth]

Remember the 5 mm Remington Rimfire Magnum? A lot of this stuff comes and goes, I think the manufactures are looking for a a long term hit like the .38 spl.

 

[Arik]

So what? I have no interest in this cal or rifle but im glad they made it. Maybe something else will come from it later on! I dont want to keep seeing the same old blue and wood over and over. No desire to have wall hangers or lovingly clean and caress it every couple days so i can see my reflection. Plastic for me is great. No scratching no dings no spots no nothing. I see guys at LGSs all the time saying how they would have bought that nice wood and blued rifle if only it didnt have a nick in it .......so the rifles just sit and sit.

I want them to come up with new stuff. Not everything is gonna sell but it might lead to something else. Otherwise we'd still be flinging spears

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[steamloco76]

My LGS received five of the new Savage rifles for people who pre-ordered them. Three of five are on their way back to Savage. I handled one of the bad ones. The bolt will not full close on a chambered round. You push down like crazy and the bolt hand pops back up! Very cheap feeling, butt ugly stock too.

LGS only received four fifty round boxes of ammo.

 

[mjr]

I see guys at LGSs all the time saying how they would have bought that nice wood and blued rifle if only it didnt have a nick in it .......so the rifles just sit and sit.

A bit off-topic, but the guy at the LGS told me a week ago that they'd stopped carrying wood-stocked rifles and shotguns because they invariably got dented, nicked or scratched--usually by customers but sometimes by staff. Then, of course, customers would want a discount on the grounds that the dent made it a "used gun."

 

[Autococker07]

Just wait until you see the newest varmint round, the 17BMG....

Yup, a 50BMG necked to .17 driving titanium/aluminum alloy bullets (light for length)... Great velocity, but you need to load rounds consecutively longer to adjust for shot to shot throat wear.... they are going to be marketed in a joint venture between Shilen, ER Shaw, and Lilja...













Hehehe.... yeah, the new, exciting, fast is pretty sad.... but I understand the marketing.... most contemporary americans have a pretty short attention span these days....

 

[HalfStack]

Just wait until you see the newest varmint round, the 17BMG....

Yup, a 50BMG necked to .17 driving titanium/aluminum alloy bullets (light for length)... Great velocity, but you need to load rounds consecutively longer to adjust for shot to shot throat wear.... they are going to be marketed in a joint venture between Shilen, ER Shaw, and Lilja...















Hehehe.... yeah, the new, exciting, fast is pretty sad.... but I understand the marketing.... most contemporary americans have a pretty short attention span these days....

Yikes! How fast that little sucker will go? 186,000 miles per second ??