You may go to hell and I will go to Texas

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Way, way back when,some folks claimed the panhandle of Texas extended north up into our ranch in SE Wyoming.

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I been to Texas and liked it. But these days, that old rock out in the pasture is a close to Texas as I'm liable to get.
 
Somewhere in storage, I have a book comprised of letters written to and from Texas and Missouri. Lots of Missourians also went to Texas and helped with the independence. One letter from a Missouri boy told his folks that he sees more Missourians than anyone else down there.

But then this was a fight, most Missouri boys will go to a fight. Generals on both sides liked the Mo boys, they said get me some more of them, they fight like Tigers. Now you know where the University of Mo got it's nickname.
 
Davy made that statement in Rutherford, TN, his last home here before going to Texas. when he was born, TN was still part of NC and the county he was born in was part of the state of Franklin, the six NE counties of TN now. Rutherford is my home town and I live three miles from where I grew up which was about five miles as the crow flies from his last home. if you google davy crockett cabin, Rutherford, tn you will see the cabin built in 1956 on the Rutherford school grounds using some original logs from his cabin, his mother's cabin and others donated from the local area. lee
 
Iggy said:
Way, way back when,some folks claimed the panhandle of Texas extended north up into our ranch in SE Wyoming.

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I been to Texas and liked it. But these days, that old rock out in the pasture is a close to Texas as I'm liable to get.
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In my previous reply I mentioned those Mo boys will fight. This map by Iggy shows another example. In the upper right hand corner east of the Missouri River is Iowa Territories. South to just before the 40th is a dotted line denoting the state boundary.

If you go to the 40th you'll see a solid line east and west that matches up with the dotted line for the state boundaries of Ks and Ne.

The dotted line between Mo an Ia was originally on the 40th.

Iowa sheriffs and tax collectors were coming into Mo and taxing Mo folks. You know this is no good when Mo folks don't even like their own tax collectors.

Words led to a fight, General Dodge in Ia raised an Army, Mo raised an army. did I mention those Mo boys will fight?

The Mo boys ended up owning Ia close to Des Moine.

The supreme court later heard this case and gave Ia part of their state back.

This was called the honey wars, it was the only war between 2 states in our history.

Iggy, thanks for putting the map up. Yep that is quite a panhandle.
 
I used to live in Hell Mi. And yes it does freeze over.I left Hell and moved to Tn where my family came from. I also like to visit Tx my son lives there and if I could not live I Tn I would choose Tx.I also have a branch of my family who moved to Tx after the war between the states.So I do agree with Davy Crockett when he said"You go to hell I'll go to Texas"
 
Did you notice on the map that the Bent Bros- MO guys- put their fort on the North side of the Arkansas? That's Now near La Junta, CO.
At that time, Mexico claimed their North border was the Arkansas and the Bents wanted not to be in Mexico.
 
I've always felt a close kinship to Texas and Texans. In the forth grade our teacher was a history nut. And she spent half the year teaching us about the Alamo and Davy Crockett and everyone that fought and died there. And I was also very fascinated since Crockett at one time lived in Tennessee. I'm not sure what her thing was about the Alamo? Maybe she was from Texas? Maybe from where he lived in Tennessee? Now thinking back on it, I wish I knew, why she was so fascinated? But I was only 8 or 9 at the time.
 
My high school Texas History teacher was quite an old gal. First day she asked "Everyone have their history book?" as she held a copy of the textbook above her head. We all held our books up. Then she hurled her book to the corner and said "Just toss 'em on the floor, and I'm going to teach y'all the real stuff."
She had piles of old maps, real antique letters, tintypes and documents in English and Spanish....and she knew it all by heart.
 
model70hunter said:
In my previous reply I mentioned those Mo boys will fight. This map by Iggy shows another example. In the upper right hand corner east of the Missouri River is Iowa Territories. South to just before the 40th is a dotted line denoting the state boundary.

If you go to the 40th you'll see a solid line east and west that matches up with the dotted line for the state boundaries of Ks and Ne.

The dotted line between Mo an Ia was originally on the 40th.

Iowa sheriffs and tax collectors were coming into Mo and taxing Mo folks. You know this is no good when Mo folks don't even like their own tax collectors.

Words led to a fight, General Dodge in Ia raised an Army, Mo raised an army. did I mention those Mo boys will fight?

The Mo boys ended up owning Ia close to Des Moine.

The supreme court later heard this case and gave Ia part of their state back.

This was called the honey wars, it was the only war between 2 states in our history.

Iggy, thanks for putting the map up. Yep that is quite a panhandle.
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Michigan (a territory at the time) and Ohio (a state) had a dispute about the city of Toledo. Michigan won and Ohio got Toledo. :p

Yes, I said that as a joke, yet in reality it's true. Ohio, as a state got Toledo and it's important port, but as a consolation prize, Michigan was given the Upper Peninsula, which was rich in lumber and minerals, namely copper and iron.
 
We need more teachers who teach history as it was and not how they would like it to be. I was taught by teachers who were proud to be Americans and I became a proud American and glad of it. We made mistakes as a country but in the process built the greatest nation in the world . Our leaders need to get back to making good American citizens out of our children,not a country of divided loyalties and PC policies are not helping to do that in many instances.
 
The History Channel has a very interesting series on how the states got their shapes. East of the Mississippi the borders were mostly defined by the rivers and mountains. West of the river where there was open range straight lines were usually drawn which is why there are so many square or rectangular shapes. The CA/NV border was gerrymandered with because CA wanted water and stole it from NV by changing the border. The border between Maine and Canada is still undefined.
 
Just goes to show that one person's heaven is another person's hell. Sometimes there is no accounting for tastes, but it's been my experience that there are very positive attributes to all states in this country, and each state has some things that are less than pleasing or acceptable to most. I'm a transplanted Texan, but I haven't much changed the characteristics of my location. I grew up and lived in far eastern New Mexico and I now live in West Texas not far from the same state line that separates both states. The biggest change is the government system between the two states. The people in both areas are very much the same as is the soil, temperatures, and weather. I've lived almost all of my life somewhere on the Llano Estacado, or the high plains as it's known. It's also a place where the only trees that are seen are the result of some one planting them here at one time or another and perhaps the progeny of some of the original trees planted way back when. Folks not familiar with this part of our country don't think it's very scenic or appealing, but there are many beautiful and scenic things to see and appreciate if you stick around long enough to find them. I personally like being able to see all the way to the horizon where it disappears because of the curvature of the earth. I also like visiting the mountains and the rolling plains and the Hill Country, but I like living here just fine, thank you. I also like that not every one else in the world wants to live where I live. It's crowded enough as it already is! There is room for all of us somewhere. And I suspect that even though most folks will tell you that they don't want to live in Hell, it's going to wind up being the most overcrowded place of all!
 
Llano Estecado = Staked Plains. Spanish Explorers drove stakes so they could find their way back.

I've heard of the old time cowhands telling of camping there, driving the herd all the next day and being able to see where they camped the night before when they stopped for the day. That's a big big country down thar.

It's nice to have some elbow and breathin' room. You fellers keep it that way ya hear..:)

You can see in the picture up in the corner that we still got some space here in Wyoming and we aim to keep it that way.
 
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DWalt said:
Until this last week, it's been a hellish summer in South Texas. Finally got almost 5" of rain this week. Now I'll have to start cutting the grass again.
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For two days because of area rain, we were in the upper 70s at night to mid 80s in daylight. Man, I felt like I was freezing, but I loved it. Today however, back to hellish heat and humidity.:o
 
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