I would simply cover the gun and say thank you. All else will be ignored as I mind my own business.
Your carry is spotted in a restaurant. What would you do?
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celticfisherman
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Yep. Best answer yet.
Knightrider03m
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I will not post what I would say to him. However, I will never explain myself to a avg Joe that walks up too me. He/she better work there or have a shield that say P O L I C E on it.
You guys are way too polite.
I would tell such a person that I am armed because I choose to be armed and that is legal. Then I would suggest he might want to try being armed as well. To conclude the conversation, I would tell him that he needs to deal with his problems.
A few years ago I was backing into a parking spot. My truck is a crew cab, four door one ton and it is LONG. Adding to the length is a bumper pull trailer hitch that sticks out. I always try to get remote spots away from others. In this case, a man was walking with his blind son that was a grown man. As I got out of my truck, the guy walked over to me and said I ought to have my *** (street term for rear end) kicked. He went to explain that his son could injure himself on that hitch sticking out. Then the man went to grab my arm to enforce his point. I pinned the man against my truck and told him my truck was not where his son could hurt himself on it, that he best not put hands on me again or I would break his arm and that he needed to learn to live with his son's condition. I turned the guy lose with the aadmonishment that he best get out of my sight before I got angry. All this took less than a minute and he took the hint.
Too many people want to get in the business of other people. I am not going to be polite or politically correct.
All the above being said, I have been carrying both openly and concealed for over 30 years. The only times people have mentioned my being armed has always been positive, either with questions about various guns, laws or else wanting to know where some firearm related place would be.
I would tell such a person that I am armed because I choose to be armed and that is legal. Then I would suggest he might want to try being armed as well. To conclude the conversation, I would tell him that he needs to deal with his problems.
A few years ago I was backing into a parking spot. My truck is a crew cab, four door one ton and it is LONG. Adding to the length is a bumper pull trailer hitch that sticks out. I always try to get remote spots away from others. In this case, a man was walking with his blind son that was a grown man. As I got out of my truck, the guy walked over to me and said I ought to have my *** (street term for rear end) kicked. He went to explain that his son could injure himself on that hitch sticking out. Then the man went to grab my arm to enforce his point. I pinned the man against my truck and told him my truck was not where his son could hurt himself on it, that he best not put hands on me again or I would break his arm and that he needed to learn to live with his son's condition. I turned the guy lose with the aadmonishment that he best get out of my sight before I got angry. All this took less than a minute and he took the hint.
Too many people want to get in the business of other people. I am not going to be polite or politically correct.
All the above being said, I have been carrying both openly and concealed for over 30 years. The only times people have mentioned my being armed has always been positive, either with questions about various guns, laws or else wanting to know where some firearm related place would be.
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Beans
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I would welcome him to AZ and wish him a good day. 
szuppo
US Veteran
I'd skip the "Authorized by the Government" and "Security Detail" complete non-sense and politley tell him to mind his own business......
cmort666
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I say, "Thanks for letting me know."
Then I go back to reading my $120 book on WWII German assault rifles.
If he won't leave me alone, I start complaining to him about slavery, Jim Crow and the forced relocation of the American Indian, all things which happened to my family which he had nothing to do with and no influence over. I'm sure he wouldn't get it, but it would be funny.
Then I go back to reading my $120 book on WWII German assault rifles.
If he won't leave me alone, I start complaining to him about slavery, Jim Crow and the forced relocation of the American Indian, all things which happened to my family which he had nothing to do with and no influence over. I'm sure he wouldn't get it, but it would be funny.
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Your situation differs a little. The difference is he put his hands on you. I would respond the same way you did if someone put their hands on me.
But in a situation where there is no physical contact, it is very unwise to escalate the matter while armed.
Isn't the above statement a total contradiction?
If you're in a place that serves beer you probably shouldn't be armed in the first place.
And also...how can you "Be Safe" if you're armed & drinking? ~
watchmanjimg
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Isn't the above statement a total contradiction?
If you're in a place that serves beer you probably shouldn't be armed in the first place.
And also...how can you "Be Safe" if you're armed & drinking? ~
As many have pointed out, every state's laws are different and in some jurisdictions it may be perfectly legal to carry in certain parts of an establishment that serves alcoholic beverages. Moreover, if you're not impaired and acting recklessly with a firearm there may be no legal reason you can't enjoy a beer or two with your meal.
You're right...we're both from FL and I was only thinking of the laws in our state - where we are not allowed to enter any establishment that serves while armed.
Speaking of this...didn't I hear something about a possible upcoming change or loophole in this law?
38-44HD45
Absent Comrade
Just shoot the rude SOB!
All seriousness aside, I'd thank him, apologize for bothering him, cover my pistol, and continue with my meal, keeping an eye on the obviously emotionally disturbed man. If he did not move away, I'd politely tell him that he needs to calm down and leave. His behavior would determine whether any further action or discussion might be in order.
All seriousness aside, I'd thank him, apologize for bothering him, cover my pistol, and continue with my meal, keeping an eye on the obviously emotionally disturbed man. If he did not move away, I'd politely tell him that he needs to calm down and leave. His behavior would determine whether any further action or discussion might be in order.
Skeeziks, thank for changing your mind...if you did. 
In every state in which I have lived it has been perfectly lawful to CCW whilst enjoying an alcoholic beverage. One may not, of course, be intoxicated when CCW.
Personally, I don't act any differently when enjoying a beer(s) as I do during any other activity.
Be safe.
In every state in which I have lived it has been perfectly lawful to CCW whilst enjoying an alcoholic beverage. One may not, of course, be intoxicated when CCW.
Personally, I don't act any differently when enjoying a beer(s) as I do during any other activity.
Be safe.
honestly--first thought in my head and out of my mouth is this:
"If there was one loaded gun in Fort Hood many lives would have been saved....if there was one loaded gun in Luby's Cafe. in Texas, many lives would have been saved.....if there comes be a problem in here right now--would you thank me for saving your sorry life and that of your lovely wife?"
"If there was one loaded gun in Fort Hood many lives would have been saved....if there was one loaded gun in Luby's Cafe. in Texas, many lives would have been saved.....if there comes be a problem in here right now--would you thank me for saving your sorry life and that of your lovely wife?"
watchmanjimg
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DISCLAIMER: The following response is offered with all due respect to forum members and not for purposes of condescension, chest-thumping, or any other purpose but the free exchange of information. I'm proud to be part of this forum and operate under the assumption that we're all friends here.
If you heard about a change or "loophole" in this law, it's unlikely to affect our discussion here. The current licensing scheme in Florida, known as The Jack Hagler Self-Defense Act, was enacted in 1987 and codified in Chapter 790 of the Florida Statutes. I don't have a copy of the 1987 Florida Statutes handy, but having referred to the 1999 hard copy I can tell you that the language regarding establishments licensed to serve alcoholic beverages as set forth in Chapter 790.06 (12) of the Florida Statutes hasn't changed for at least 11 years (and probably not since 1987). Here's what the current version says (cut and pasted from the Florida Legislature's official website):
(12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
Thus, arguably one could carry in that portion of a licensed establishment not primarily devoted to the purpose of consumption of alcoholic beverages--such as the portion primarily devoted to the purpose of consumption of food, accompanied by whatever beverage one chooses. I certainly wouldn't advise sitting at the bar while armed as that clearly violates the plain language of the statute.
Whether a particular individual is "safe" or not depends on various factors, but here's what our Legislature has to say (Once again cut and pasted from the official site of the Florida Legislature):
790.151 Using firearm while under the influence of alcoholic beverages, chemical substances, or controlled substances; penalties.--
(1) As used in ss. 790.151-790.157, to "use a firearm" means to discharge a firearm or to have a firearm readily accessible for immediate discharge.
(2) For the purposes of this section, "readily accessible for immediate discharge" means loaded and in a person's hand.
(3) It is unlawful and punishable as provided in subsection (4) for any person who is under the influence of alcoholic beverages, any chemical substance set forth in s. 877.111, or any substance controlled under chapter 893, when affected to the extent that his or her normal faculties are impaired, to use a firearm in this state.
(4) Any person who violates subsection (3) commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(5) This section does not apply to persons exercising lawful self-defense or defense of one's property.
In my opinion the folks in Tallahassee appear to have covered the bases adequately, at least in this particular instance anyway.
If you heard about a change or "loophole" in this law, it's unlikely to affect our discussion here. The current licensing scheme in Florida, known as The Jack Hagler Self-Defense Act, was enacted in 1987 and codified in Chapter 790 of the Florida Statutes. I don't have a copy of the 1987 Florida Statutes handy, but having referred to the 1999 hard copy I can tell you that the language regarding establishments licensed to serve alcoholic beverages as set forth in Chapter 790.06 (12) of the Florida Statutes hasn't changed for at least 11 years (and probably not since 1987). Here's what the current version says (cut and pasted from the Florida Legislature's official website):
(12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
Thus, arguably one could carry in that portion of a licensed establishment not primarily devoted to the purpose of consumption of alcoholic beverages--such as the portion primarily devoted to the purpose of consumption of food, accompanied by whatever beverage one chooses. I certainly wouldn't advise sitting at the bar while armed as that clearly violates the plain language of the statute.
If you're in a place that serves beer you probably shouldn't be armed in the first place.
And also...how can you "Be Safe" if you're armed & drinking? ~
Whether a particular individual is "safe" or not depends on various factors, but here's what our Legislature has to say (Once again cut and pasted from the official site of the Florida Legislature):
790.151 Using firearm while under the influence of alcoholic beverages, chemical substances, or controlled substances; penalties.--
(1) As used in ss. 790.151-790.157, to "use a firearm" means to discharge a firearm or to have a firearm readily accessible for immediate discharge.
(2) For the purposes of this section, "readily accessible for immediate discharge" means loaded and in a person's hand.
(3) It is unlawful and punishable as provided in subsection (4) for any person who is under the influence of alcoholic beverages, any chemical substance set forth in s. 877.111, or any substance controlled under chapter 893, when affected to the extent that his or her normal faculties are impaired, to use a firearm in this state.
(4) Any person who violates subsection (3) commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(5) This section does not apply to persons exercising lawful self-defense or defense of one's property.
In my opinion the folks in Tallahassee appear to have covered the bases adequately, at least in this particular instance anyway.
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Skeeziks, thank for changing your mind...if you did.
In every state in which I have lived it has been perfectly lawful to CCW whilst enjoying an alcoholic beverage. One may not, of course, be intoxicated when CCW.
Personally, I don't act any differently when enjoying a beer(s) as I do during any other activity.
Be safe.
Big D.... it's not a matter of changing my mind. It's just that I wasn't thinking about the laws in other states.
Me personally...I get a buzz on after only 1 beer.
So, I don't drink & drive...and I don't drink & carry.
I was taught at a young age: Booze & Guns don't mix.
watchmanjimg
Member
Again, no disrespect and I don't mean to hijack but I responded above to correct a misconception about the laws in our state.
This is a very responsible point of view and entirely your call. Since we were talking about the law I also discussed the Legislature's stance on this issue in my response above.
straightshooter1
US Veteran
I think I'd thank him for pointing out what an idiot I am.
After all, anyone who let's their gun show must be...of course, there was that time I was walking down the frozen food aisle, and the gun (I used to carry a lot "mexican") slipped out of my waist band, down my leg and onto the floor. I reached to pick it up and kicked it farther down the aisle.
I recovered it and left the store.
I was, at the time, really authorized to carry by the government, but I didn't want to explain that to the young policeman who would respond to the call of the crazy man in the grocery store chasing a gun down the aisle.
I decided "mexican" carry might not be the best choice after that.
Bob
After all, anyone who let's their gun show must be...of course, there was that time I was walking down the frozen food aisle, and the gun (I used to carry a lot "mexican") slipped out of my waist band, down my leg and onto the floor. I reached to pick it up and kicked it farther down the aisle.
I recovered it and left the store.
I was, at the time, really authorized to carry by the government, but I didn't want to explain that to the young policeman who would respond to the call of the crazy man in the grocery store chasing a gun down the aisle.
I decided "mexican" carry might not be the best choice after that.
Bob
BigRich315
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DISCLAIMER: The following response is offered with all due respect to forum members and not for purposes of condescension, chest-thumping, or any other purpose but the free exchange of information. I'm proud to be part of this forum and operate under the assumption that we're all friends here.
If you heard about a change or "loophole" in this law, it's unlikely to affect our discussion here. The current licensing scheme in Florida, known as The Jack Hagler Self-Defense Act, was enacted in 1987 and codified in Chapter 790 of the Florida Statutes. I don't have a copy of the 1987 Florida Statutes handy, but having referred to the 1999 hard copy I can tell you that the language regarding establishments licensed to serve alcoholic beverages as set forth in Chapter 790 (12) of the Florida Statutes hasn't changed for at least 11 years (and probably not since 1987). Here's what the current version says (cut and pasted from the Florida Legislature's official website):
(12) No license issued pursuant to this section shall authorize any person to carry a concealed weapon or firearm into any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05; any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station; any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse; any courtroom, except that nothing in this section would preclude a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or determining who will carry a concealed weapon in his or her courtroom; any polling place; any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district; any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof; any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms; any school administration building; any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose; any elementary or secondary school facility; any career center; any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile; inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law. Any person who willfully violates any provision of this subsection commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
Thus, arguably one could carry in that portion of a licensed establishment not primarily devoted to the purpose of consumption of alcoholic beverages--such as the portion primarily devoted to the purpose of consumption of food, accompanied by whatever beverage one chooses. I certainly wouldn't advise sitting at the bar while armed as that clearly violates the plain language of the statute.
Whether a particular individual is "safe" or not depends on various factors, but here's what our Legislature has to say (Once again cut and pasted from the official site of the Florida Legislature):
790.151 Using firearm while under the influence of alcoholic beverages, chemical substances, or controlled substances; penalties.--
(1) As used in ss. 790.151-790.157, to "use a firearm" means to discharge a firearm or to have a firearm readily accessible for immediate discharge.
(2) For the purposes of this section, "readily accessible for immediate discharge" means loaded and in a person's hand.
(3) It is unlawful and punishable as provided in subsection (4) for any person who is under the influence of alcoholic beverages, any chemical substance set forth in s. 877.111, or any substance controlled under chapter 893, when affected to the extent that his or her normal faculties are impaired, to use a firearm in this state.
(4) Any person who violates subsection (3) commits a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(5) This section does not apply to persons exercising lawful self-defense or defense of one's property.
In my opinion the folks in Tallahassee appear to have covered the bases adequately, at least in this particular instance anyway.
One could infer, more reasonably IMHO, that the section states that if a portion of the establishment is devoted to the consumption of alcohol then ALL portions of the establishment are off limits to carry.
It is a very gray area.
Also remember that in many cases it is impossible to reach other areas without first passing through the "bar area," which would be in vilation of the law.
Another gray area.
In many opinions, it is best to stay far away from gray areas.
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