Your carry is spotted in a restaurant. What would you do?
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Don't bet on it.... If you go back to page 4 post #37 you'll see that I can get a bit of a buzz on after only 1 (well, maybe 1-1/2) beer.
I have maybe a few beers a year, so this is really a non-issue for me. ~
bk43
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No, I didn't really figure it out. I called Straightshooter1 and Bob talked me through it.I'm just wondering what method you'd recommend for average people to familiarize themselves with Florida law if reading the actual statutes is so dangerous. From your explanation you obviously figured it out somehow.
Seriously, I do read the law at times but I don't do that very well. I try to get someone who understands the law and has hands-on experience explain it to me. Most of my personal knowledge came from a local sheriff's lieutenant who taught CCW at the local community college. This teaches you how the statutes are applied on the street. That's what you really want to know. There are a lot of resources like this around, you just have to look for them.
Bob
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tbury
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Two points from KY:
Open carry to my knowledge does not hold where the municipality prohibits it. In my city/town you would be questioned if you tried open carry downtown.
My understanding from my CCW class is alcohol in any quantity and CCW do not mix. There is no legal limit like driving.
IWB or secure pocket holster would be the way to avoid the situation. I realize this avoids the original question but that is my point.
Open carry to my knowledge does not hold where the municipality prohibits it. In my city/town you would be questioned if you tried open carry downtown.
My understanding from my CCW class is alcohol in any quantity and CCW do not mix. There is no legal limit like driving.
IWB or secure pocket holster would be the way to avoid the situation. I realize this avoids the original question but that is my point.
watchmanjimg
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No, I didn't really figure it out. I called Straightshooter1 and Bob talked me through it.
Seriously, I do read the law at times but I don't do that very well. I try to get someone who understands the law and has hands-on experience explain it to me. Most of my personal knowledge came from a local sheriff's lieutenant who taught CCW at the local community college. This teaches you how the statutes are applied on the street. That's what you really want to know. There are a lot of resources like this around, you just have to look for them.
Bob
I respect an honest man, but all that matters is that you learned it correctly whatever your method.
It would have been a lot more fun to discuss this over a beer or two. I'd even leave my gun in the car.
Don't bet on it.... If you go back to page 4 post #37 you'll see that I can get a bit of a buzz on after only 1 (well, maybe 1-1/2) beer.
I have maybe a few beers a year, so this is really a non-issue for me. ~
Skeeziks: You're invited, but one's the limit.
bk43
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It would be a pleasure. First round's on me.It would have been a lot more fun to discuss this over a beer or two. I'd even leave my gun in the car.
Bob
sipowicz
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I'd say 'it wasn't this gun' and go back to eating.
michael thornton
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the world is full of nosey people, i just try to keep mine coverd and out of sight, it could cause alot of trouble and mess up a great night on the town.
DeathGrip
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In Fl. it's easy to tell if it's a considered bar or restaurant.No-smoking and it's a restaurant.Law is that if the majority of sales is food,there's no smoking.If said restaurant has a bar then it's just that a restaurant with a bar.Stay out of bars that sell food or snacks.They are still bars.
I hope this helps,
DG
I hope this helps,
DG
writerinmo
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I carry everywhere, if it's posted then I either send someone else in or go to a similar establishment. In my area, for home improvement I have four choices, Home Depot, Lowes, Ace Hardware, and Buckheits. Buckheits has a "No Firearms" sign on the front door. Guess which one I don't go to at all? I do my banking business at the driveup, haven't had any business to conduct at the Courthouse since my divorce was final a couple of years ago, I go to Cabela's instead of Bass Pro because Bass Pro wants me to "check" my carry at Customer Service.
photoman
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Interesting. The local Bass Pro where I live doesn't do this. They do check all guns you open carry to the indoor gun range.
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This hypothetical is completely absurd and worthless. Most states allow open carry. My home state of Pennsylvania allows open carry, even in bars and restaurants.
Any verbal response to such an emotionally charged, confrontational and absurd comment would be a mistake. Saying absolutely nothing, not one word is the only reasonable response. By the way, saying nothing is also the only reasonable thing to do in an encounter with the police (the fifth and second amendments are on the same document after all).
Any verbal response to such an emotionally charged, confrontational and absurd comment would be a mistake. Saying absolutely nothing, not one word is the only reasonable response. By the way, saying nothing is also the only reasonable thing to do in an encounter with the police (the fifth and second amendments are on the same document after all).
Since I believe in having options that gentleman would have gotten a quick wristlock and a facefull of pepperspray.
As for the Orginal Question I would do what the orginal poster suggested Sorry I didn't mean for it to show I am working a private security detail so thanks and keep this between you and me.
So how do you intend to protect yourself or family in the restaurant? IMO, a restaurant is one place I will never go unarmed. My crystal ball doesn't work that good.
+1 Luby's in Killeen, TX...a massacre....McDonalds in San Diego, etc....
keith44spl
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[Quote:[Originally Posted by junker;
"I don't have to worry about that type of confrontation because I won't carry into a restaurant. To me, it's just not worth the possible legal ramifications if something should go wrong."]Quote]
Big Foot,
Thank you for the reminder, lest we forget.
I, like many other, except the responsibility to protect and defend our families and others in our charge.
No matter the time or place...Period.
Dr. Suzanna Hupp testimony;
YouTube - 2nd Amendment - Dr. Suzanna Gratia-Hupp testimony
In part of the Luby's shooting.
Respectfully,
David Keith
"I don't have to worry about that type of confrontation because I won't carry into a restaurant. To me, it's just not worth the possible legal ramifications if something should go wrong."]Quote]
Big Foot,
Thank you for the reminder, lest we forget.
I, like many other, except the responsibility to protect and defend our families and others in our charge.
No matter the time or place...Period.
Dr. Suzanna Hupp testimony;
YouTube - 2nd Amendment - Dr. Suzanna Gratia-Hupp testimony
In part of the Luby's shooting.
Respectfully,
David Keith
rburg
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Not in Kentucky. The state occupies the entire realm of gun legislation here. It means the liberal sewers are not free to legislate more restrictive laws than the state legislature. They tried that BS in both Covington and Lousiville, and got slapped down for trying. Same goes for "crime guns".
Back to the thread.
Years ago, before direct deposit, I had a habit of trying to accumulate one or two paychecks instead of going to the bank every Friday. It wasn't that far, so I'd try to walk, weather permitting. I got home from work and began yelling at the dog. It didn't take much, he was already excited. Ole Spot was a dalmatian, and a good one. He was always ready for a walk. I got my jeans on, gun on the belt, and leash on the pup.
Away we went toward the bank, maybe a mile and a half or so. It was Friday, and there was a line. The dog came inside with me, as always. He had the routine down by then. The line would move, he'd heal for the step or two, then sit. Good boy. So I'd pat his head and tell him he was a good boy. He liked that, and it made him behave for more attention. I'd been in the line maybe a few minutes and we were moving a little.
Just then the off duty cop came over. He was very pleasant and just mentioned my jacket had ridden up and uncovered my gun. I thanked him as I was adjusting my jacket. We moved forward, Spot moved and sat. All was well with the world. I made my deposit and as I left I again thanked the cop. He just smiled and said I was welcome. Not a problem.
After that, I always said "hi" to him in the bank. He returned it with a smile. All the tellers knew me, my dog, and that I wasn't a threat. But one day we had a rent-a-cop standing in. He was a jerk and told me the dog would have to wait outside. 3 tellers all at the same time yelled at the guy.
I live in Kentucky, where things are different than behind enemy lines. Our bank tellers stock suckers for the kiddies and milk bones for the customers with dogs. Life is good here.
On the issue of guns and alcohol, I read an article a while back. It was how to avoid being a victim. One of the points was if you don't want to get in a fight, avoid places where the young or strangers drink alcohol. Pretty much means bars. Or bar parking lots when patrons are drinking.
keith44spl
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rburg said:
Dick,
That's what I told my son when we sent him off to collage..."Stay out of them places!"
Must of worked, as I didn't have to bail him out of trouble nary a time.
Good to see you the other day!
Su Amigo,
Dave
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Hook686
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After reading some of the responses, I believe some people just should not be carrying a loaded firearm.
It depends, but most likely I'd say thank you cover it up and continue with my meal. If the person kept standing there I'd look back at them a few seconds and give them the opportunity to walk away. If I had to mention this gun hasn't killed anybody yet and what more I can do for you. As long as there is no law against a gun at that establishment I'd try and call the manager before I had to defend myself from that psychotic person...
iamde3
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I would ask him if his Son got shot for being nosey or stupid.
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In Texas you may carry in a restruant that has 51% of it's business in food (even if it has a bar)-- If an establishment serves more alchol than food it must post a sign in the form of a circle with "51" with a line across it (this is enforced by the TABC) -- you may not carry in such an establishment (that means bars) -- For a business to forbid the carry of firearms they must post a sign stating so by quoting the section of the law that permits this -- in both English and Spainish with letters at least one inch high (This makes a sign about 4ft by six ft) before you enter the business (I've only seen one legal sign -- ever) -- Since I don't go to bars and I don't drink I'm not bothered by this -- It is never a good idea to drink while using a gun but if you are not drunk it is not illegal -- but -- It is frowned upon and you might have to tell it to the judge -- In this situation I would thank the person for informing me and state I have a legal right to carry -- If pressed I would just leave -- If pressed futher -- I would ask him to call the Police and deal with it as best I could
writerinmo
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A friend of mine is the DARE officer for the sheriff's office here in town. After checking with the CLEO's I started OC'ing while working outside and in my shop. He occasionally stops by on his way home to shoot the breeze, and the first time he stopped that I was carrying, he asked me "Why are you carrying that thing?" I replied "Why do you?" He said, "Well, it's part of my job." To which I replied, "Hey, mine too...protecting my family." He laughed and said "That's true." Then he went on to tell me how he preferred his Glock... which was ok by me, I would probably buy one if it felt right and I had $150.00 or more extra than what my 40VE ran, to spend on one just to have it.
RobertJ.
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Years ago, in Idaho, my friend Nolan was giving an ice carving demonstation at the mall in Pocatello. While he was in the middle of it, his chef's coat rode up and exposed his Ruger SP-101 in an IWB holster. He didn't even realize it until he was finished, as no one in the crowd said anything. Gotta love Idaho!
Everyone probably knows the rules in their own state; good to find out the basics in states you are traveling through as well. Law in VA is that you can't carry in any place that serves alcohol. Some places have laws against 'brandishing' as well; I am not sure what that consists of except that if you carry nobody should know about it.
cmort666
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You can't carry CONCEALED in any place that serves alcohol. It's perfectly legal to open carry.
You might want to check out the Virginia forum of OCDO and vcdl.org.
cshoff
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It's pretty easy to determine in Missouri, really. If they serve alcohol on Sundays, you can rest assured that they are a bonafide restaurant. Places like Applebees, TGI Fridays, Red Lobster, etc, all qualify as restaurants. The corner tavern, on the other hand, would be a bar. Furthermore, even if you DO carry a concealed firearm into a tavern or bar in Missouri, as long as you have a valid CCW permit, it is not a criminal offense. At most, you can be asked to leave or denied access to the building. So you really don't have much to worry about here.
cshoff
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What Bass Pro is that? Ive been to the one in Springfield, the one in Columbia, and the one in St. Charles, and none of them have that policy.
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