Your choice on a hicap 9mm compact ( ** New Reply** )

[STORMINORMAN]

So, this thread made me look on the Sig website to check out the specs on the P365. It is slightly smaller than the EC9s I carry, and has 3 more cartridge capacity, so I will be on the look-out for one. I'd like to physically compare them side by side and feel of the gun in hand. Maybe buy one just to see if I like it for a while. The price is less than I anticipated.
Thanks for an informative thread.

Just google "Ruger EC9S vs. SIG P365" & go to handgunhunter and compare them side-to-side (with an overlay as well)...

Cheers!

 

[LVSteve]

So, this thread made me look on the Sig website to check out the specs on the P365. It is slightly smaller than the EC9s I carry, and has 3 more cartridge capacity, so I will be on the look-out for one. I'd like to physically compare them side by side and feel of the gun in hand. Maybe buy one just to see if I like it for a while. The price is less than I anticipated.
Thanks for an informative thread.

The grips on those guns are wildly different, so you really need to feel them in your hand. The Ruger has a thin grip (left/right) but longish front to back. The Sig 365 has a very squat and rounded grip with the front to back distance about as small as you can go for the cartridge. I cannot grip the Sig worth a damn with my skinny hands and long fingers, it feels like a bar of soap to me.

 

[Golddollar]

Anybody have any experience with a Beretta 92-C?

 

[dsf]

Wear an A-shirt, carry OWB, use rubber Talon Grips, or etc.....

Actually was wearing OWB. Probably too much moving around doing yardwork that got me. Nothing between the gun and my side.

 

[Furrball]

S&W CSX. 12+1
CZ P-01

 

[Jäger1]

Not a 9mm compact Walther on the list?

Some years ago the manager of the LGS/range was giving a lesson to a concealed carry student.
Gun was cleared and hammer cocked.
Asked the student to approach him and pull the trigger.
As the student got close and was about to pull the trigger,
the manager stuck his gloved hand between the hammer and slide.
I guess striker fired guns may have some advantages for
close encounters.

Am I going to be the first one to say "that's one DUMB instructor"? I'd be happy to risk a $5 bet that this "instructor" is teaching his personal bias to anybody unfortunate enough to have this person as their supposed instructor.

What would the instructor's brilliant comeback have been if somebody knowledgeable there had said "What would happened Mr. LGS Instructor, if that had been a striker fired Walther and you'd simply used that same hand to push the slide of that Walther backwards and out of battery - instead of hoping you could actually get the web of your hand between the hammer and slide while risking missing your attempt to do that"?

Or... I guess I one could say "Striker fired pistols, hammer fired pistols, revolvers without a hammer shroud, no difference if you're dumb enough to let somebody get close enough to disable the weapon - including with a cute (and stupid) hand trick nobody with any training would attempt before you fire..."

 

[Jäger1]

If you were looking for a hicap compact 9mm, would you be looking at a Glock 19 a sig 229/365 or something else?

I love helping other people spend their money! I fall into the "something else?" option. And these little guns are rarely carried versus my usual carry - not often that it is too difficult/too onerous to carry the C-series Browning High Power what I've been carrying for decades.

If I was starting to carry now, perhaps I'd find it far too big/too heavy - I can see that point of view. But that's not me. But with age... perhaps one day I'll be carrying a little gun mounting an optical sight and laser/flashlight... I see the advantages of that.

Until that day... assuming all else is equal i.e. all fit equally good in your hand, all about the same dimensions for concealed carry, etc... I'm one of those dinosaurs (apparently) who, if it doesn't have an exposed hammer, single action, and a safety like my regular carry does, then I'm going to look elsewhere.

Which would leave ME looking at compacts/sub compacts/whatever like the S&W CSX and Kimber Micro Nine types of pistols. I'm aware that the Sigs and Hellcat types are the flavor of the year and many, many people are happy with them... obviously, they're fine pistols and their owners are satisfied with their choices. I'm not going to say they're wrong.

But not for me; I simply see the world differently than those who prefer striker fired and/or believe that a few more rounds in the pistol in question is the game changer. I want an exposed hammer, single action, and a safety... and when it comes pretty much in the same sized package, I'm not going to lose sleep that it doesn't hold as many rounds.

Now that I've become one of the many willing to help you spend your money, I wonder what you'll roll with once you've tried them all in hand at your local purveyor of Evil Child Killing Machines?

One local store will happily take them out of their display cases to handle, dry fire, etc as much as you want. I appreciate them doing that... but that's not the local store I'd actually buy one from (doesn't seem to harm their firearms sales as they compete with Cabelas across the road from them).

 

[oink]

I have a gen 4 G19 and I like it just fine. I also have a gen 2 G23 wearing a PSA Dagger upper turning it into another G19. It works just fine. I liked the G23 as it was but like you the price of 9mm figured in.

I have a Hellcat with safety and optics cut. It's wearing a plain label Shield red dot. It holds 11+1 with the standard Mag which seems like plenty to me. I nearly always carry a spare reload and it's the 13 round mag. Thats 24 rounds, more rounds than I carried most of my career. which was 18. Sometimes I reverse the order of the mags. The 11 round mag has a pinky rest which I can get 1/2 of my pinky on. The 13 round mag really only is visably longer in the heel but I can get 3/4 on my pinky on it. The Hellcat carries very easily IWB. I like the Hellcat very much for it's size category.

But I also very much like my Glock 19. It is bigger and doesn't carry as easily. But I also like it very much for it's size category.

I carried a 669 for many years and still have it. I don't really understand why anyone would prefer a double/single action with todays alternatives. I also never saw the 6906 as an improvement. Yes the trigger is a bit smoother but that's negated if the 669 is carried on half cock.

I held the 365 before I bought the Hellcat, The hellcat felt better to me. I haven't looked at the Shield plus as I've been happy enough with the Hellcat that I haven't looked for anything else.

PSA has their new Dagger Micro with Shield optics cut for $340. Based on the (G-19) Dagger upper I bought from them I'd say it's probably worth considering but I've never actually held one.

I still like my low capacity Springfield XDs in .45 too.

 

[BAM-BAM]

Anybody have any experience with a Beretta 92-C?

92 Compact?

Ya, have several.... got my first in 1988 an F,
Nice small duty size gun with current Mec-gar mags it's now 15+1; spare 18rd mag(s)

My preferred hi-cap carry gun!

 

[bummer]

Beretta APX Centurion or Compact

 

[Echo40]

Since folks are tossing around comparatively heavy aluminum framed pistols around anyway, I'm going to suggest the Taurus 917c.

It's basically a PT92 Compact. It's rather heavy at 33oz unloaded, but it it holds 18 rounds in the magazine, so it's definitely high capacity.

 

[pasound]

For me, the 365XL hands down. And this is from a die-hard Smith j-frame fan. I have two, one fully stock with the hi-vis dots, one with a Holosun red dot. The grip length with the 12 round mags is perfect, but the grip serrations chewed into my hands. I put Hogue grip sleeves on both and now no bite, and barely any increase in girth. They seem to shoot anything I stick in them, steel case included, and never fail to point, shoot, fire, and eject, accurately.

But the soft spot in my heart is my 3913, a little bigger and heavier as it is "metal", but I have to admit one 365XL mag is 1 1/2 3913 mags...

 

[3S16]

I'm a big fan of the Hellcat, but I bought a Sig 365 to see what the hype was all about. I equipped them both with flat triggers, SMSc red dots, and AIWB Vedder holsters. Sig accessories are Coyote Tan, and the Hellcats are black so there is no confusion. I like them both. They shoot about the same, which is to say, very well with 124 gr HST's. I think the Sig is a tad bigger. The triggers are a little different, but both are excellent. I'm comfortable with either one.
However, I like the iron sights on the Hellcat a little better. I like the finger indexing pads on both sides of the frame, and I like that the recoil spring rod end is stippled and extends about 1/32" beyond the end of the slide. This allows the slide to cycle in the event of a contact shot.
Anyway, Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[BB57]

Anybody have any experience with a Beretta 92-C?

A Beretta 92 Compact?

They come in two flavors the fairly rare single stack Compact M (left) and the Compact L (right), as well as the current Centurion version.

Size wise they are not all that compact, being larger than the CZ 75D Compact:

Like the full size Beretta 92 pistols the grip is larger and the trigger reach is long on the double stack Compact L. For people with less than large hands, thin or ultra thin grips, and a short reach trigger kit may be necessary to properly control the pistol and shoot it well.

The single stack compact M has significantly smaller grip dimensions and the smaller grip dimension shortens the trigger reach.

Here both are shown with a CZ 75 Compact.

Unless you get a newer G series with the decocking lever that automatically resets, they still have the same Model 92 issue of the pistol potentially getting decocked and left on safe when racking the slide. They can be updated with G series internals, or you can just put a low profile decocking lever on it.

 

[huntsman22]

DWX compact, or Shadow 2 compact....

 

[cracker57]

get a CZ compact or PCR and never look back....

 

[ISCS Yoda]

Never shot of of those wonder guns, but have anyone really considered that sig considers the 2022 to be a COMPACT size gun? At the gun store i sometimes look at, those are BIGGER then the Taurus 66 revolver.

What the manufacturer says is often outside the realm of reality. I had a SIG 2022 and it was not even close to a compact pistol in my book. I sold it; not fond of it.

 

[JJOG]

I don't think my carry choices are quite high cap.
My Sig P228 is 12+1 and my single stacked compact 9mm 1911 9+1.
Lots of choices out there!

 

[RetCapt]

My only EDC is a Glock 26. My last duty pistol had been a full size Glock .40 S&W cal (forgot the model number). I shot very well with this pistol. I got very used to the feel, and I value the reliability and durability. That experience seamlessly transitioned to the Glock 26.

I got around the little finger below the grip frame issue by putting Pearce extenders on both magazines.

I carry it in two different ways. One method is in a Blade Tech Kydex holster, the model of which is now long out of production. Alternately I carry it in a camera pouch, complete with a Nikon camera strap, so that arouses no suspicion.

 

[Terry G]

CZ's. P-01, Compact, 75 D, P-01 Omega.

 

[pmosley]

CZ Rami in Ken Null GBS holster - a favorite "high" capacity choice.

Sent from my 6165S using Tapatalk

 

[max]

I would have to say the Sig 365.

 

[SGT ROCK 11B]

Just a gentle reminder;

Glock 19 Gen 3 or Glock Gen 5.

 

[A10]

Glad I made popcorn before reading this thread!
Here is a truth, go to a range, rent a lot of them, and see which one suits you best.

For me:
I carried a P938 for a few years, good shooter but a few things about it made me nervous, primarily that when releasing a loaded mag the top round would self eject. I sold it.
Carried a Glock 27 and Glock 23 for a long time, both good guns.
I have a Glock 43 that spends time in my pocket.
My most recent all-the-time carry is an LCP Max, because I almost never notice it and if I don't no one else will.
If I'm packing IWB or OWB, most recently it's my Sig M11, though on road trips its probably my Glock 29.

Notice a theme? Each and every one (except that 938) has the same drill as a revolver, no safety to mess with and a consistent first round down the pipe.

your mileage may vary......

 

[BC38]

While I do not consider a Glock 19 to be a compact, I have handled and shot 3 popular ones in a single outing. The Hellcat, 365 and Kahr. The Kahr was slightly more concealable but not enough to give up the xtra rounds. The Hellcats Xtra capacity is its claim to fame. I also liked the sights on it although they are not everyone's cup of tea. I ultimately bought a 365. Perfect combo of size and capacity.

Me too. the base model Sig P365 is ALMOST everything I need and nothing I don't.

Add a MagGuts kit to the factory mags - increasing them from 10 and 12 to 12 and 14 rounds, and the P365 is the best-shooting sub-compact (most concealable) handgun I have ever seen. Hands down.

Over the last 40+ years, I have collected a whole safe-full of CC guns. Everything from high-cap "wonder 9s" to 7-shot 357 magnum revolvers.

ALL carry-guns are a compromise between power, capacity, and shoot-ability.

JMO, but the Sig P365 is the best of the best AFAIK. YMMV...

 

[hardluk1]

My wife now carry's a P365xl with 12 and 15 round mags and I have a m&p 2.0 4" 9mm with optic but no sure if or when it will end up a carry handgun . I still carry a full size lw commander 45 or m&p 4.25 40 ! We had 17 round mags with x grip spacer ad now have a couple 23 round m&p mags that could be used thanks to a fpc .

 

[THE PILGRIM]

If you like Glocks, don't overlook the 43x with aftermarket 15 Round Mag.

 

[Sarge9]

Merica
Lot to chose from, most are all GTG.

another vote for rental a couple times w/instr.

not a word on the Equalizer, heard great things, IDK

 

[DesertFox]

P365 Xmacro for 17 rounds, P365 regular can use those same 17 rounders and a G43x MOS w/ PSA MicroDagger 15 rounders. 3 most chosen for EDC rotation here. P365 Xmacro is only slightly larger in dimensions than the G43x.

G26, G27, 509cc even the beloved P2000sk - all the old school EDC that are double stack - for me that extra thickness makes for harder carry.

 

[TheHobbyist]

If you would like another opinion, with the goals being concealment and capacity, I'd go with the 365.

I've owned all three and shot both the 229 and 19X regularly...both are near the best in category and frankly, great. I'd just personally go with the 365, but you really couldn't go wrong with any of these as an option.