Your workplace does not allow concealed carry. Do you still carry?

[Doug M.]

Holy necropost, Batman.

It is not prudent to answer this question in any setting, verbal or written. I would probably not discuss this with anyone other than your spouse, and that's iffy.

 

[rcpaul]

Private property rights of the owner trumps my second admendment rights on his property

 

[GKC]

Indiana is an "at will" employment state. Employers may terminate you at their discretion for no reason what-so-ever. So unless you can prove that you were terminated wrongfully as a result of discrimination then... well you're pretty much out of luck.

Very true...and you will be off the premises and off the payroll for a year or more trying to prove it. Not to mention that "concealed carry permit holder" is not a protected class for discrimination, like age/race/sex, in re employment legislation. You might have a cause for discrimination if others were allowed to carry with no repercussion, but you were terminated for so doing, with no other mitigating factors (such as misconduct)...AND you can tie it to your race/sex/age, but even then, you will be pursuing this off the premise, off the payroll, and on an attorney's clock (unless you can get one to take the case on a contingency fee basis.)

Given that this is more than likely considered to be a rules violation, it will be a far more difficult case to prove, unless as mentioned above there are clear incidents of discriminatory application of the rules. Also, if you signed an employee handbook or statement/agreement to obey ALL the rules as a condition of your employment (even if you didn't read what you signed, or didn't agree but wanted the job so you signed) then you won't have much of a case.

In any case, given the widespread use of social media "snooping" today, it is foolish in the extreme to state on an internet site that you will willfully and with forethought violate your company's rules, and even possibly state/federal law.

 

[Springfeildkid585]

Depends on how much you like/need your job.

 

[David Armstrong]

Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but I'm genuinely interested to know what your thoughts are.

My workplace rules specifically state that carrying a weapon at work is a terminable offense. Or more appropriately, getting CAUGHT with a weapon at work is terminable.

Given that, do you still carry while at work?

No, you don't. When you take a job you agree to follow the rules of that job relating to employment. If you intentionally break the rules just because you don't agree with them you are being dishonest and do not deserve your paycheck, as you are not fulfilling your end of the agreement. You expect your employer to be honest with you and follow the rules he has agreed to regarding your employment, you should do the same.

 

[David Armstrong]

Not necessarily. Privately-owned restaurants and hotels, for example, and even large "private clubs" can't choose to practice racial discrimination. It's incredible how the Second Amendment is the only part of the Constitution that is deemed the exception to the rule of inviolable individual rights.

It's not. Private businesses regularly restrict other rights. Remember, the Bill of Rights is to restrict GOVERNMENT intrusion, not private sector. As just one example, similar to what we are discussing here, a company can forbid the display of any political material while at work. Clearly that intrudes on the 1st Amendment, but it is allowed. If you get caught shoplifting at a store the store can search your bags for the stolen items. Lots of restrictions do not come under the discrimination rubric.

 

[sipowicz]

I wouldn't...and in this age of gov't monitoring phones, the web and your emails it would be stupid to admit to anything you should not be doing.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Private property rights of the owner trumps my second admendment rights on his property

Only when he chooses to exercise them in accordance with state law, whatever that might happen to be. See previous posts.

 

[Rpg]

Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but I'm genuinely interested to know what your thoughts are.

My workplace rules specifically state that carrying a weapon at work is a terminable offense. Or more appropriately, getting CAUGHT with a weapon at work is terminable.

Given that, do you still carry while at work?

Aside from losing your job, you could be subject to criminal prosecution depending on the law in your jurisdiction.

There is more at risk than just your job!

 

[Linejudgemick]

Within Kansas statute 75-7c10 Chapter 75.--STATE DEPARTMENTS; PUBLIC OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES Article 7c.—FIREARMS it states:

(b) Nothing in this act shall be construed to prevent:
(1) any public or private employer from restricting or prohibiting by personnel policies persons licensed under this act from carrying a concealed handgun while on the premises of the employer's business or while engaged in the duties of the person's employment by the employer, except that no employer may prohibit possession of a handgun in a private means of conveyance, even if parked on the employer's premises; or
(2) any private business or city, county or political subdivision from restricting or prohibiting persons licensed under this act from carrying a concealed handgun within a building or buildings of such entity, provided that the premises are posted, in accordance with rules and regulations adopted by the attorney general pursuant to this section, as premises where carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited;
7(c)(1) It shall be a violation of this section to carry a concealed handgun in violation of any restriction or prohibition allowed by subsection (a) or (b) if the premises are posted in accordance with rules and regulations adopted by the attorney general pursuant to subsection (f). Any person who violates this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of: (A) not more than $50 dollars for the first offense; or (B) not more than $100 for the second offense. Any third or subsequent offense is a class B misdemeanor.

Strangely enough - very quietly our company changed their policy that prohibits firearms on company property to say something to the effect of "as long as this policy does not conflict with state statutes". I suppose in essence only allowing CCHL holders to keep their firearms in their car. Their buildings are correctly posted and the policy is clear. Because I need my job, my firearm stays at home when I go to work, although I have considered starting to use a car vault for to and from work. However, I'm not a big fan of leaving my pistol in a car for any length of time - regardless if it's legal, not legal, outside of policy, or inside of policy.

 

[S&W45Colt]

Does my workplace provide competent Security Officers and adequate Security measures, devices, doors etc?

 

[the deer hunter]

I did read all of the junk I had to sign when I got this job there was in there a consent to search your vehicle as part of the employment agreement.I do not carry at work I do I only live a quarter mile from the plant so I don't normally have it in my car.on rare occasion I have forgotten to take it out of my car but that was only an accident.a good friend of mine however works a service job were he routine Lee has to work in very bad sections of town his employer prohibits firearms but he carries anyway he does very good job of concealing I asked him if he worries about losing his job he said the only time anyone will find out is if he needs it and at that point they can fire him because he will still be alive.

 

[wildenout]

I carry even though my boss asked me not to. I bought a teeny tiny Cobra 9mm (I actually really like it!) a while back, and I bought a teeny tiny IWB holster for it. I have to tuck in my shirt, but it works out ok! And no one has noticed so far. Better than nothing though, that is for sure.

 

[cmort666]

Ordinarily, no.

However, during the first Gulf War the facility where I worked had received several bomb threats, we had an organizer for the Iraqi Baath party working down the hall from me, and my idiot klansman boss refused to address any of this, even refusing to let me stop the access control system from automatically unlocking the employee door every morning. Literally ANYBODY could walk in.

I started carrying a briefcase... with my Series 70 Colt and a soft ballistic vest in it. Ohio didn't even have citizen CCW yet.

 

[rayban]

Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but I'm genuinely interested to know what your thoughts are.

My workplace rules specifically state that carrying a weapon at work is a terminable offense. Or more appropriately, getting CAUGHT with a weapon at work is terminable.

Given that, do you still carry while at work?

To get back on topic. if i decided to ignore the rule and carry to work anyhow, I would make sure I had another job lined up to go to the next day.

 

[pps]

I always carried my ccw at my last job. I also accepted the fact that if caught that I would loose my job.

Now that I'm self employed, I still carry at work.

 

[GLV]

WHY???

Sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but I'm genuinely interested to know what your thoughts are.

My workplace rules specifically state that carrying a weapon at work is a terminable offense. Or more appropriately, getting CAUGHT with a weapon at work is terminable.

Given that, do you still carry while at work?

Ask questions that could put a person in jeopardy if he/she answers the question in the affirmative ??
I see no value in this type of question, yet they seem to be on the increase.

 

[fonejack54]

I work as a janitor two nights a week (I'm retired) in an executive building that is across the street from the most dangerous low income housing in town. I come out in the dark to a deserted parking lot. You bet I carry. This is exactly the scenario I got my CHL for.
The building is not posted but a bulletin board in the cafeteria has a sign. I think I can live without the forty bucks a week.

 

[blackbird94]

our "official" company policy is not allowed to carry. however, everyone from the G M to all the technicians I've met all carry. Everything from a hammerless s&w .357 mag, to a taurus pt92 stainless 9mm. My SD40VE will join the group as soon as I come up with the $105 the state needs for the license

 

[kip_j]

I am employed by a hospital so, no, I don't carry at work. It's unfortunate, as my work schedule means I walk out to the parking lot at midnight nearly every night and I have no means of protection other than my wits and a keen sense of my surroundings.

I've contemplated my options; leaving the gun in the car, or carrying it anyway, despite being against the law, but neither one is really worth the risk.

 

[Poodle Soup]

The gun rides with me to work, but doesnt go inside. I have no place to keep it that would work. I work production in a factory.. I dont need MORE bruises. Its against the rules to have it in the vehicle too but I really dont think some corporate jack *** who lives 1000 miles away really cares about my safety or well being. So why should I care about his blanket feel good policies? None of the doors are ever locked and I work with a bunch of uneducated social misfits...

 

[Mike McLellan]

When you join the workforce, you enter into a bargain. Basically, if you do as you're told, someone will give you money. If they stop paying you, then you don't have to do what you're told. Conversely, if you refuse to do what they tell you, they don't have to give any more money.

 

[Xtasy]

I heard around corners that some people carry concealed on college campus even though it is strictly forbidden by the state. I am wondering who would do that? I mean its a gun free zone so why do you need to protect yourself? No criminal would ever... you know


The company I used to work before had a part in the contract where it said no guns in cars on parking lots. The state has a strict bring your gun to work law so the company could not enforce their ****

 

[Redhawk500]

I obey the law if at all possible. In the event of clear and present danger I withdraw or react as the situation demands. My shield is God's protection first. If I were king for a day, anyone carrying a firearm would get a tax cut from the government and a discount at any business they frequented. Carry where legal!

 

[Hodgin]

Indiana is an "at will" employment state. Employers may terminate you at their discretion for no reason what-so-ever. So unless you can prove that you were terminated wrongfully as a result of discrimination then... well you're pretty much out of luck.

Tn is the same. Unless there's something in a company handbook or other written policy that states reasons for termination, employers can terminate at will.

Tn legislature is taking up an issue over "employees guns in car" right now. A year or two ago the state law was changed to allow employees with carry permits to have guns in cars. The law doesn't have any teeth because Tn is a "fire at will state," subject to the above exception. To my knowledge no one has been fired for having a gun in a car but gun rights advocates have been trying to get the law changed.

I don't know about employers rights to search vehicles. I'm pretty sure they would be able to do so if a condition of employment involved forfeiture of the right against such a search. Employers may be able to search at will but I don't know about that.

As to the comparison of an employer's policy against carrying to that of discrimination based on race, there's a difference. I'm not a legal expert but there are differences between a Constitutional Right and a Civil Right. In this case, the right to own and bear arms is a Con. Right, but not a Civil Right. The right to not be racial discriminated against in employment is a Civil Right.

The civil right is between a protected group (based on race, sex, religion) and an employer. The Con. Right is between govt and individual (sometimes between Fed. govt and state gov. depending on the right). An employer can have a rule forbidding the carrying of a firearm at work, but could not have a rule forbidding blacks, Baptists, or women from carrying but allowing white men to carry. I may be wrong about this distinction but I think its generally correct.

 

[gdnagle]

Indiana is an "at will" employment state. Employers may terminate you at their discretion for no reason what-so-ever. So unless you can prove that you were terminated wrongfully as a result of discrimination then... well you're pretty much out of luck.

West Virginia is also. Ask me how I know. And they don't have to give any reason. They could just say your fires and you are.

 

[Smoke]

Bottom line if my employer tells me I can't carry at work I don't my car however is mine and what's in it is not your business.

That said, this is a moot point for me because carrying is part of my job but it is illegal for a licensed guard to carry a concealed weapon at work it's also illegal for a licensed armed guard to carry on an unarmed site. So long story short it would cause far more problems than it would solve.

 

[feralmerril]

I spent most my working life working for a defense company, lockheed. As a armed guard it was as smoke said, a moot point however for most of our plants the federal government called the shots. We were required to search vehicles at times. Its a different world then working for companys that build refrigerators or whatever. You agree to those rules when you are hired in and the rules are posted at all entrances. Now we did have parking lots that were on the outside of the fence, I am talking about vehicles that had drive in pass`s to park inside the plant. But then again the company also owned the parking lots. We patrolled them heavy too.

 

[Larry from Bend]

Most of my career involved evaluating troubled/unprofitable businesses and reporting my observations to the owners/shareholders and my recommendations on how to improve the situation.

Doing my job usually (not always) led to people losing their jobs, getting demoted and having to justify their actions.

During those assignments, when I felt threatened, I carried a handgun. I didn't ask permission and I'm sure I would have been asked to justify carrying had some of the owners found out. I carried because I judged that protecting myself was more important than possibly losing that assignment.

HOWEVER, once an owner recommended that I go armed and once a Deputy District Attorney highly recommended (insisted) that I go armed.

Most people knew that if I carried a gun, it was for good reason; and it wasn't discussed.

Whether or not you risk termination for carrying probably rests with your value to the Company and whether or not they believe your actions were justified. If you have to ask the question: I'd say you'll be fired if discovered. I have no idea whether your job is more important to you than carrying a gun.

On the other side; I once visited a logging operation where handguns were strewn about a company-owned bus used to transport loggers to the woods. I racked the action on a Glock and found it chamber-loaded. We made a rule the next day: no guns in logging rigs. The penalty was termination. These guys were doing a little plinking on their way to and from the job site. These things usually happen when the inmates are running the institution.

 

[Smoke]

I spent most my working life working for a defense company, lockheed. As a armed guard it was as smoke said, a moot point however for most of our plants the federal government called the shots. We were required to search vehicles at times. Its a different world then working for companys that build refrigerators or whatever. You agree to those rules when you are hired in and the rules are posted at all entrances. Now we did have parking lots that were on the outside of the fence, I am talking about vehicles that had drive in pass`s to park inside the plant. But then again the company also owned the parking lots. We patrolled them heavy too.

Totally off topic but the facility I work at is the only facility the city has that doesn't have a sign on the front gate that says entry implies consent to search. I don't know if it's over sight or because we're a no public acess site but I'm not drawing any attention to it