Instructor meets idiot.

Kelly Green

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My wife and I are good friends with a lady who is a U.S. Army veteran (Afghanistan), a CHL instructor, NRA certified firearms instructor and a fine competitive shooter. She told us a story this past weekend that has me rethinking gun ownership and wondering if some people should not own a gun, much less be allowed to carry a handgun or even be granted a CHL.

I will try to tell her story as she told it to us. Her story:

I was working in the shop last month when a young woman, early twenties, came in and inquired about our CHL classes. As with all perspective CHL students, I asked a few preliminary questions. Did she have experience with firearms? She had absolutely none. Did she own a gun? I thought I knew the answer to that one but she surprised me when she replied yes, a Glock 26. I asked, “why a Glock”, and she replied that her boyfriend had picked it out. He thought that carrying a Glock would be really cool. Uh oh, alarm bell.

She had that way of speaking like a lot of young women of her generation, every answer sounded like a question. Short of that, she seemed pleasant enough.

We both agreed that before taking the CHL class, she needed to take a firearms training course and we set up a schedule.

We started our training with the basic rules of safety and progressed from there. When I began explaining and demonstrating the workings of the gun, I could sense that she had no mechanical aptitude what so ever—probably didn’t know how a can opener worked either but knew that it opened cans. I began slowing everything down and speaking as simply as possible.

Our next stop was the range. I explained “Rule One”: Always keep the muzzle pointed down range. If you turn away form the target the gun stays on the bench, muzzle pointed down range. She gave me an OK. I loaded the magazine with three rounds, and put a tight group of three on paper. The model 26 is a nice shooter with a good trigger, not to heavy, with a short pull but it does have heavy recoil. Probably not the best gun for a beginner. I handed the gun to her.

Now it was her turn. I told her to load the magazine. When she tried to shove the rounds in backward I stopped her. More instruction (reinstruction) needed. Once we got that resolved and the gun loaded, I found that she had a problem keeping her finger off the trigger. More instruction. I explained that she should rest her trigger finger along the pistol’s slide. The girl looked at me and replied in all seriousness, “If I keep my trigger finger on the slide then what finger do I use to shoot the gun?” I should have stopped right there but, I continued on.

I stood behind her while she fired her first live round. The girl managed to hit paper and became so excited that she turned around, gun in hand, finger on trigger and muzzle pointed at my chest. I saw my life flash before me. In reflex, I grabbed the gun around the slide with my hand and forced the muzzle off myself. This caused her to send a wild round ricocheting off the floor and into the back wall of the range. Because of the way I had grabbed it, the gun jammed. I took the gun from her, cleared it and emptied the magazine. Training was officially over. I was shaking and this woman was completely clueless.

At that moment, the range manager came running in. He took possession of the gun and we all went into his office. After listening to the story, he placed a nylon tie on the Glock, taped the magazine to the grip and gave it to her. He refunded her money and told her that he she was banned from his firing line.

As she was preparing to leave, I told her to forget the gun, that she would be safer with a canister of pepper spray. She replied, “Why would I need pepper spray when I have a gun?” I thought to myself, I have just met the stupidest person on the planet.

After the girl left, the reality of the situation hit me hard. I, the student or someone else could have been seriously injured or killed. From now on, if a student has no prior firearm experience, I will not allow a loaded magazine in a gun. It will be single shot only until the student proves he or she is capable of firearm safety.
 
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I had a similar experience with a life long friend and his girlfriend. She had never fired a gun before and wanted to go to the desert with us to shoot. First round she cranked off she was so excited she hit the target. She spun around and I had a loaded Colt King Cobra pointed at my sternum with her finger firmly on the trigger. I was not pleased and let it be known in no uncertain terms. We made it through the drive home in silence and it ended my friendship with the guy I had been best buddies with since kindergarten.
 
These are the same people that should not be allowed to breed. They barely make in through each day yet we allow them to bare and raise children.
 
She's probably the President of an HOA somewhere: confident of herself and her ability to decide what's in the best interest of the neighborhood.

Isn't odd that some people have so much self confidence in the absence of any real ability? Our kids can't read billboards, but they have a well developed sense of self.

Head ache coming on.

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"From now on, if a student has no prior firearm experience, I will not allow a loaded magazine in a gun. It will be single shot only until the student proves he or she is capable of firearm safety."

That might be a good idea with every new student until you have the chance to observe them at the range.
 
"From now on, if a student has no prior firearm experience, I will not allow a loaded magazine in a gun. It will be single shot only until the student proves he or she is capable of firearm safety."

That might be a good idea with every new student until you have the chance to observe them at the range.

The best answer yet and I couldn't agree more.Remember Granddads single shot or your first BB gun?
Do not hand a novice a second chance with out seeing how their learning curve goes.Bad things can happen.
I hope we all learned something from this.
 
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It would seem that a percentage of the new gen types out there are incapable of recieving information. So sure they are of thier right to keep and hold on to thier idea's even if proved wrong. Perhaps this is how we wound up with the current administration in Washington?
 
You can tell people--but you can't tell them much. Not to mention the potential liability issues.
 
Well, let me take a contrarian view here. I think the young woman was poorly served by her boyfriend and the instructor. Some of y'all are making some broad generalizations based on very little information; mostly that she was a non-shooter and had been handed a weapon that many "experienced" people shoot themselves in the butt with. The instructor should never have handed a loaded glop to someone she figured couldn't use a can opener. She (the instructor) should have spent whatever time was needed in familiarization before actual live firing. If the instructor determined that the trainee just wasn't up to it, she should have told her so, and suggested that she get a simple to operate weapon like a double action revolver.

Based on what information is in the OP, I don't think we should automatically assume the young woman is an air-headed idiot. Ignorance isn't the same thing as stupidity.

Another thing while I'm ranting: I do not like this attitude at all--"has me rethinking gun ownership and wondering if some people should not own a gun, much less be allowed to carry a handgun or even be granted a CHL." Who are you going to put in charge of making those decisions? The government? The ATF, FBI, or some other Federal Agency, many of whom shoot themselves in the foot or in the butt with their glops? I think it is a pretty arrogant attitude.

I have been shooting 50 years plus, and I have taught a few people the basics. I absolutely would not hand a glop or even a 1911 to a brand new shooter. If he/she came to me with a semi, I would say, "Let me loan you a pistol for us to get started with," and we would shoot up a couple of boxes of .22 lr in my Model 63. I would then try to transition over to the semi.
 
I went to the range once with my girlfriend's brother. He said he knew what he was doing, but something told me he was full of it. I gave him a rather slow run down of how a Beretta 92FS worked. He approached the firing line and proceeds to do a double tap, one on the target, the other almost straight up in the air (its a good thing we were outside). I managed to talk the range master into not kicking us off the range, and it took alot of self control not to strangle him.
 
Someone will surely chime in and cite 2A and aver this person has an absolute right to carry.

Oops, already posted. How sad. :mad:

Be safe.
 
Doesn’t matter if it is a man or a woman, most kids in that general age group was raised with a sense of entailment, sadly truly believe they can do anything they wish without having to pay for their actions. I also believe that the media, movies and T.V. are in part to blame for so much careless gun handling.
 
Someone will surely chime in and cite 2A and aver this person has an absolute right to carry.

Oops, already posted. How sad. :mad:

Be safe.

Show me where I said anything about an absolute right. I did not, and I do not believe in an absolute 2nd Amendment right.

My point was that someone should not be denied the right based on some arbitrary measure of ability to handle a complicated platform, decided by people who are probably not competent to make that determination.

Here in backwards, dumb, rural Georgia, we pretty much give people the benefit of the doubt. In other words, they do not have to prove a specific need, or even to demonstrate competency to own or carry a firearm. We have a gun culture here, as long as you aren't a transplant in Atlanta, and we expect people to know how to handle a firearm. Most of those, and I include non-gun enthusiasts, do know how. Pass the background check, and achieving competency is up to you.

I realize that a citizen has to jump through hoops in your state to obtain a permit. As I recall, you have stated a time or two that you are glad to be in a such a "progressive" state. How sad.:rolleyes:
 
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What redlevel said in his first post. Any decent instructor will start with classroom instruction and dry fire before handing a loaded gun to a novice. If the woman could not safely dry fire the gun it would have prevented the near tragedy on the range. Safe gun handling is taught in a safe area before hitting the range with live ammo.
 
Wow that's really really scary and not that uncommon. I know I was going to one of the Popular local ranges. Will lets just say after watching a guy melt down throw his mags and gun I hadn't been back.

I think everyone has the right to own a firearm but should have basic training. I dont think a law should be past thought that would stop someone from owning a firearm with out training for the simple fact who's to say whats proficient training.
 
Ok, I am going to hit a lot of raw nerves right now.

The above examples is exactly why I am against any state laws that allow concealed weapons permits without proper instruction classes. States like AZ are trying to do the right thing by allowing anyone to carry but then they open up a world of potential problems by idiot gun owners.

Even with proper training, there will still be a lot of idiots carrying.
 
Now it was her turn. I told her to load the magazine. When she tried to shove the rounds in backward I stopped her. More instruction (reinstruction) needed. Once we got that resolved and the gun loaded, I found that she had a problem keeping her finger off the trigger. More instruction. I explained that she should rest her trigger finger along the pistol’s slide. The girl looked at me and replied in all seriousness, “If I keep my trigger finger on the slide then what finger do I use to shoot the gun?” I should have stopped right there but, I continued on.
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The instructor is the one who screwed up, she knew from the begining the girl was a ditz, then she lets her load up. I guess some people should not be instructors.
 
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