Retaliation

This does bring up a good point. Many of us have the move into the middle of the woods and Lone Ranger it philosophy. Several studies I've read done on roving gang violence in countries, where society has broken down, shows gangs will travel from 2-4 hours outside the city in groups of 10-20 guys and hit the isolated houses. They usually find good resources and just 1-2 people resisting. No one is holding off 20 guys by themselves without an act of God.

The neighborhood I live in is rural, but we have neighbors a few hundred feet from each other. It's full of current and ex LEO/Military etc. We are all well armed, trained and have already agreed we have each others backs. If that had happened here, they would have ran into a wall of .308 and .223 and they would have needed the morgue van, not the police.

If you have not done it yet, now is a good time to get together with like minded neighbors and come to an understanding..just my opinion.
 
I hope the local constabulary is doing its best to track down the known associates of the bad guys who were shot, and applying plenty of pressure to the local gangbangers to let them know the squeeze is on. Gangstas aren't the brightest folks around, but they are generally smart enough to know when to lay low, or to rat each other out, especially members of rival factions.
 
Retaliation cited in shooting at Northeast Side home - San Antonio Express-News

Since when do people invading a home KNOCK. Little more to the story I am sure.

I have dealt a little with gangs, especially back in the 90's. Home invasions are easier when one knocks on the door, the home owner opens the door expecting a visitor and then the intruders rush the homeowner. Entry is sudden and quiet as opposed to breaking in. Most residents do not go to a door with firearm in hand. Most residents will go for a gun if they hear a window or door being broken into.
 
Some of the most successful criminal lowlifes are the ones who can effectively pass themselves off as honest, hardworking citizens. These people are everywhere and probably living among you too. I have seen a bunch of shootings and homicides and the media NEVER give an accurate account of what happens. The media have their own agenda.

Dave Sinko
 
I have dealt a little with gangs, especially back in the 90's. Home invasions are easier when one knocks on the door, the home owner opens the door expecting a visitor and then the intruders rush the homeowner. Entry is sudden and quiet as opposed to breaking in. Most residents do not go to a door with firearm in hand. Most residents will go for a gun if they hear a window or door being broken into.

Right on the money. One of the more "presentable" intruders (sometimes a female) will knock on the door with a hard luck story, car broken down, etc. If met with a person holding a gun they will back off and leave. If he/she don't feel a threat from the owner they and their accomplices will rush in and over power the victim. That is why everyone needs to use caution in answering a knock on their door. When in doubt, having a gun (discretely held) isn't a bad idea. In reality, it isn't a good idea to invite ANYONE you don't know into your house, no matter how innocent they appear. Some of the most dangerous wolves can come dressed as sheep.
 
Personally, I'm wondering about the legal repercussions of returing fire with something like an M1A1 in 308 Winchester. Springfield Armory sells a full lineup of the M1 in 308 and while a bit pricey when compared to the AR if I have to shoot back I'd prefer something with a bit more power than a hot rodded 22. Downside is that I'd have to add a second floor to my house because I suspect a 308 would blow through a modern car body like it was paper and I certainly wouldn't want to put a neighbor in harms way. However, at some point I fully expect that we will see some homeowner who has had enough shooting back and wonder what the LEO's will do when it finally happens.
 
Interesting post here. I too am of the old school back woods mentality. I believe that if the cost to these type of people is greater than the gain they will leave you alone. I live in the woods away from neighbors and keep a shotgun and a handgun close by. My M1 is not far out of reach and not much need in trying to run from that. I have sent a few "visitors" packing and they don't come back because things don't look "easy" around here. Last time I called LEO he was an hour responding to my house. I learned. Take care of yourself!
 
In the Express News story, there is a photo of the one that lived. He sure looks the part of gangster hood-rat....

If people would stand up more often, there would be less of this garbage around here...kudos to the homeowner.

I think that part of our local problem is overflow from Mexico....The Federales are making life tough for them in Mexico, so they come here....and our jails are so much nicer here with cable TV AC/Heat and 3 meals a day (Go Joe Arpaio)

I wonder how long before vigilantism becomes mainstream in the south?
 
I thought San Antonio was the liberal mecca of Texas. Peace, love and the scent of patchouli fill the air. How did an act of violence occur*?

*sarcasm
 
I thought San Antonio was the liberal mecca of Texas. Peace, love and the scent of patchouli fill the air. How did an act of violence occur*?

*sarcasm

You're thinking of Austin. I work the firearms counter at a "big box" store here in San Antonio. Trust me, San Antonio is full of conservatives that are well armed :)
 
I wonder how long before vigilantism becomes mainstream in the south?

I always caution people on their use of the term "vigilantism" or it's forms. Defending yourself, your family or your property from criminals is not being a vigilante. Those "other" folks like to use this to describe acts of self defense as "taking the law into your own hands". Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Now if you want to get a bunch of folks together and round those miscreants up, then hang them from a stout oak tree, you'd be vigilantes.
 
I wonder how long before vigilantism becomes mainstream in the south?

I always caution people on their use of the term "vigilantism" or it's forms. Defending yourself, your family or your property from criminals is not being a vigilante. Those "other" folks like to use this to describe acts of self defense as "taking the law into your own hands". Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Now if you want to get a bunch of folks together and round those miscreants up, then hang them from a stout oak tree, you'd be vigilantes.

Hang a sign around their neck reading "Thief".
 
A couple of weeks ago, a homeowner was forced to shoot two home invaders at 0500 in the morning. He heard them breaking in and confronted them both with a 12 gauge as they entered the kitchen area of his home. One of the intruders was armed with an AR15, and the home owner took a round to the chin while dropping one of the bad guys and severely wounding the other. Homeowner will survive, the second bad guy is iffy on survival. The homeowner is not a gangster. He is a decent guy with a good job, and neighbors say they all like him.

Flash forward to the other day. A caravan of 4 cars was spotted slowly cruising by his home, when one of them opened up and shot his house full of holes. Neighbors vehicles were also hit. Homeowner was still in the hospital at the time. Police have no suspects at this time.

So while we all applaud the homeowners actions, it seems like the bad guys are trying to send a message: don't resist.
Or, it's just another bad guy that's pissed off at losing one (or two) of his scumbag buddies. I'm concerned that if this type of thing continues, homeowners will be too afraid to take action. Sort of like being afraid to testify in a trial.

Your thoughts??
EVERY bully in the history of mankind has thought that he could intimidate people into submission. That's why they're bullies. Take your pick, from a Neanderthal stealing another Neanderthal's game to Hitler stealing Czechoslovakia.

Everybody has a choice in life: free man or slave.

If you allow somebody to intimidate you to the point where you won't even defend yourself, you become their PROPERTY, a SLAVE.

Rather than bend down and lick the hand wielding the whip, the neighbors need to band together and help defend each other. Law and simple physics say that the police won't do it.

Back in the heyday of FidoNet, a guy I knew told the story of a quiet Mexican neighborhood somewhere in the southwest. Some gangbangers decided to shoot up somebody's house, who apparently had no gang affiliation at all (probable mistaken identity). The house was on a street in a cul de sac. The assailants made the mistake of shooting on their way in, rather than on the way out. They took some return fire as they headed toward the cul de sac, but by the time they turned around, the entire neighborhood knew what was going on and literally reenacted the bus scene from "Gauntlet". The occupants of the vehicle were literally shot to pieces. At some point the car caught on fire from a ruptured fuel line. The fire department and police were called... after the car and the gunmen were burnt to a crisp.

The result? No more drivebys in that neighborhood.

People in places like Syria, Mexico and New York City live like scared rabbits stalked by coyotes. Why? Because they know that the "authorities" can't and won't "protect" them, and they aren't allowed to protect themselves.

If you live some place where you don't have government enforced "dhimmi" status, why on earth would you VOLUNTARILY adopt it for yourself?

You're going to die, no matter WHAT you do. The question is how you're going to LIVE, as a free man or a slave.
 
Criminals no longer have much to fear this day and age.
Violent criminals have a LOT to fear here.

Google the name "Arthur Buford".

In Ohio, we shoot home invaders and armed robbers.

When armed robbers and home invaders have a reasonable fear that THEY will be maimed or killed instead of their victim, fewer of them want to BE armed robbers and home invaders.
 
Citizen's Army....

"... You're going to die, no matter WHAT you do. The question is how you're going to LIVE, as a free man or a slave."

Well Said Sir!

If 4 lowriders pulled into my little burb and started cruising around you'd see more rifle barrels sticking out of second floor windows than were evident on September 7, 1876 in Northfield, Minnesota. If one shot rang out the results would be the same.....

Drew
 
Well Said Sir!

If 4 lowriders pulled into my little burb and started cruising around you'd see more rifle barrels sticking out of second floor windows than were evident on September 7, 1876 in Northfield, Minnesota. If one shot rang out the results would be the same.....

Drew
I just got done reading a couple of accounts of the Great Northfield Minnesota Raid in a couple of different books. THAT is how you cut down on violent crime. People don't become violent criminals because they want to WORK or because they enjoy actually being in danger themselves.

What society has done for the last forty or more years in a lot of places in this country is to try to make violent crime "safe"... but only for the criminal.

In some place like New York City or Chicago, the population has been forced as a whole to throw itself on the mercy of violent sociopaths, while the political leadership was focusing a considerable degree of effort by police into ensuring that anyone who does try to defend themselves is ruthlessly and mercilessly punished, often more so than the perpetrator himself. Needless to say, this has failed MISERABLY. Of course those pushing this enforced victimization are not above LYING about the resulting statistics to justify the cosmic injustice they've imposed.

Contrast this with other parts of the country where nobody has a duty to be robbed, raped or murdered. Crime is largely going down, and without the need to fake the statistics.

People don't become armed robbers to get into gunfights. They do so to get easy money from people who can't or won't defend themselves. The proof is in the pudding. Which gets robbed more often, your local police station, or convenience stores in New Jersey?
 
Cmort, The reason people become criminals is due to the legal system making it profitable to do such deeds.

Commit a robbery and you do not get much time, if any.

Swindle a couple million and you get a year and have to repay about 25% of what you stole.

Had a local man rob a store of $1500. He got 2 yrs suspended and 2 yrs on probation. He had a public defender so the tax payers are on the hook for his crime. The store is out the money and he made $1500 for less than 5 minutes work.

Until our legal system begins to severely punish the bad guys, they will not worry about their criminal actions.

Ask any street cop. The perps are on the streets before the officers can finish the paperwork.
 
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