What might a ban look like? Respectful discussion please...

[Moonman]

The NRA needs to find a better public speaker, one that's also charistmatic in nature.

 

[C Broad Arrow]

One thing that gun control brought to Canada was a barrel length restriction that eliminated new sales of guns with a barrel length of less than 4 inches.

It was part of the "package" to eliminate "Saturday Night Specials", but effectively removed the ability for people to carried concealed.

Would that happen in the US? I don't know, but it is the insidious nature of politicians to tack things on at the last minute.

Now having said that the inability to solve the "Fiscal Cliff" issue actually bodes well for us. It demonstrates how divided things truely are and it indicates (to me anyway) that it gives the NRA and those who still believe in the Constitution the time necessary to get past the events of Dec 14 and have calm restored to the issue. The mid-terms are only 23 months away and with the Republicans holding the House it is unlikely that with the fiscal issues etc, that the POTUS has a lot of political currency he could burn on the gun issue. There will be a lot of political posturing, and blaming the NRA and all those red neck neanderthal gun owners, but in the end I doubt anything will change. That is not meant to say that the NRA should sit back. Wayne's press conference was the right step and message.. Now the NRA has to press to brings about the types of measures it spoke of and be seen by the nation as working to preserve the 2A but also reduce the risk of madmen getting guns. If we knew someone was a terrorist, we would take steps to insure he did not get a gun. A similar commitment needs to be demonstrated with regard to those that would murder children.

The issue will start with guns in the classroom and end with more intense background checks. The NRA should idenitfy those teachers across the nation already carrying to protect their students and run a media campaign showing that it is already being done. 35 states allow this. Information about the effectiveness of this policy needs to be communicated to the public.

The NRA also has to come us with a number of recommendations about background checks and screening for mental ilness. It should also establish guidelines for safe storage in homes where someone has experienced mental health problems, domestic abuse or marital breakdowns. Are these measures in the long run effective? I don't know. But I can't help but think that if Adam's mom had a gun safe for storage we may not be having this discussion today.

The issue as Wayne well knows is now more PR than anything else. But the NRA has to be seen as trying to be part of the solution in order to win the hearts and minds that do not understand the 2A and have lost touch with its reason for being.

 

[StatesRightist]

You guys go ahead and do your best the sky is falling imitations. In case you've missed it, the public furor is dying down already. New cycles come and news cycles go. By the time Congress gets back in session the public clamor is going to be greatly reduced.

D.C. can't even get a bill they all agree we need on "the fiscal cliff" passed, but the Dems from gun states and the Repubs are going to all get together and rush off to commit political suicide together......whatever you say.

Reality is this and I'll take bets...the Repubs and Gun State Dems stall for awhile doing studies....then about March, some watered down version of the prior AWB will get passed, along with a huge increase in Mental Health funding to soothe the libs and that will be that.

If you are unlucky enough to live in NY, Communistfornia etc....then you can plan on taking it in the shorts on a state by state basis.

Obama can try doing it through Executive Orders, but they'll get struck down quickly.

This is not to say they are not going to continue to plot to get our guns. JOIN THE NRA, it's our best defense.

I was a guilty as you guys of working myself up, needing TUMS etc sure they were going to come for my guns, but having a little time to cool off, I think that's unfounded.

Of course if they stage another shooting a la Colorado, all bets are off.

 

[nipster]

All I know is based on what I have seen in the last week, there are now tens of thousands of AR's in the hands of people who cannot use them. Not sure how good that is.

These are the people driving up the prices.

Magazines are a different story, but I would venture to guess than at least 50% of the AR's bought this week cant even spell AR, let alone shoot one safely or accurately.

 

[zip777]

You guys go ahead and do your best the sky is falling imitations. In case you've missed it, the public furor is dying down already. New cycles come and news cycles go. By the time Congress gets back in session the public clamor is going to be greatly reduced.

D.C. can't even get a bill they all agree we need on "the fiscal cliff" passed, but the Dems from gun states and the Repubs are going to all get together and rush off to commit political suicide together......whatever you say.

Reality is this and I'll take bets...the Repubs and Gun State Dems stall for awhile doing studies....then about March, some watered down version of the prior AWB will get passed, along with a huge increase in Mental Health funding to soothe the libs and that will be that.

If you are unlucky enough to live in NY, Communistfornia etc....then you can plan on taking it in the shorts on a state by state basis.

Obama can try doing it through Executive Orders, but they'll get struck down quickly.

This is not to say they are not going to continue to plot to get our guns. JOIN THE NRA, it's our best defense.

I was a guilty as you guys of working myself up, needing TUMS etc sure they were going to come for my guns, but having a little time to cool off, I think that's unfounded.

Of course if they stage another shooting a la Colorado, all bets are off.

After listening to more DC rhetoric I'm leaning your way. I do believe there will be lot of focus on "high capacity mags". Will be interesting to see how that is defined.

 

[zip777]

All I know is based on what I have seen in the last week, there are now tens of thousands of AR's in the hands of people who cannot use them. Not sure how good that is.

These are the people driving up the prices.

Magazines are a different story, but I would venture to guess than at least 50% of the AR's bought this week cant even spell AR, let alone shoot one safely or accurately.

This is a REAL concern. How many first time owners will try and use them for home defense not knowing that ammunition choice is critical! Wondering how many bought m855 ammo that will shoot through bad guys...as well as walls and neighbors houses. It is a scary thought. This doesn't even address them accidentally shooting themselves or other innocents because they have no concept how to safely use one. How many will just read the manual once load the firearm put it in the closet and never practice? Frightening.

 

[kennyb]

Nothing's being taken away, we were assured by some in a previous thread.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/2nd-amendment-forum/257487-letter-sent-obama-un-gun-treaty.html

dang mike...looks like the NRA isn't"making stuff up huh?"

 

[jtpur]

Assuming a ban is passed, I think, any magazine over ten rounds, maybe even five. That any "assault style" rifle or pistol with over 10 rounds, will be banned on passage.

Effective some date later, any ,magazine over ten rounds will be illegal to own, posses or use. Any pre ban gun after. A certain date will be illegal to,transport, use or posses. Do not think for a minute that a retro active law will not be upheld by the courts. By the time it gets to the court/s the makeup of the court will be very anti gun. The Constitution will not be a barrier to gun control.

 

[VMaxSplat]

The NRA needs to find a better public speaker, one that's also charistmatic in nature.

Maybe, but you do realize that Wayne LaPierre has been a tireless champion of the 2nd Ammendment for many years, right? He has done waaaaaaay more than most to protect our gun rights from endless assaults by the Dims.

 

[EdNewman]

Interesting that the uneducated view the .223/5.56 as a high powered ammo. The 30-06 is twice as powerful and some of the.50 cals have 10x the energy. Everyone should call their state and federal representatives and offer to help educate them. Offer to take them to a gun store or range and show them the difference. Help them to realize that they need to focus on illegal guns not the legal ones.

 

[zip777]

Interesting that the uneducated view the .223/5.56 as a high powered ammo. The 30-06 is twice as powerful and some of the.50 cals have 10x the energy. Everyone should call their state and federal representatives and offer to help educate them. Offer to take them to a gun store or range and show them the difference. Help them to realize that they need to focus on illegal guns not the legal ones.

It's a stigma because it LOOKS like a soldiers weapon. Most people actually think what we own is auto or has burst fire mode! I don't tell many I own one but it seems like the few I have told say "why would you need an automatic weapon?!?"

.....more media madness. :/

 

[Old TexMex]

NICS stops answering the phone, curtailing new purchases. Next-- Ammunition sales will require NICS, curtailing new purchase, then NICS will stop answering the phone.
Politicians can then declare "gun sales have plummeted, so people are now coming to their senses". The basis of the "ban" will be a hearts and minds process. Children will be taught that guns are for aggression and gun owners are to be shunned, even by their own children.
A generation should just about do it, and the law abiding civilian will be, by and large, disarmed and apathetic.

 

[Smitty357]

1994-2004 all over again with "maybe" a minor change here and there.

1 change i believe they will make it illegal to sale P2P (unless they open it up to only going through a FFL, somehow)

2 change I believe they will make it to where ALL firearms need to be registered.

 

[italyguy01]

Aghhh! This whole ordeal sucks. I am trying to buy a AR 308, and there is none to be found, ANYWHERE!

 

[italyguy01]

I really hope and pray that we can defeat any gun ban again. This is so crazy!

 

[Joewisc]

A gun ban will do no more to curb crime than a speed limit sign controls speeding. Virtually every motorist breaks traffic laws on a daily basis because there is no enforcement and penalties are relatively light.

The pols will go through the motions, utter bromides after public safety, pass something politically palatable and people will go on breaking the law one way or another. Laws never controlled human behavior and never will.

A gun ban, like Prohibition, will do nothing to stop folks from buying, selling and trading firearms, whatever the type, any more than the Volstead Act stopped people from drinking.

He who forgets the past is condemned to repeat it.

 

[italyguy01]

We have had Drug Bans for how long, and yet, you can buy heroin on most corners....

 

[Delta Rose]

Since California seems to be the leader in draconian firearms and environmental laws, one need look no further than the existing California regulations:

Bureau of Firearms | State of California - Department of Justice - Kamala D. Harris Attorney General

 

[zip777]

Since California seems to be the leader in draconian firearms and environmental laws, one need look no further than the existing California regulations:

Bureau of Firearms | State of California - Department of Justice - Kamala D. Harris Attorney General

I've got friends there and no offense to them or anyone else living in Communistfornia but personally I'd like to see the faults give and let it slide into the ocean. (Of course after all the decent folks get out)

 

[italyguy01]

Everyone needs to start looking at Agenda 21. We are in for a rude awakening in the future. Gun Control is only the start.