NEW ATF DIRECTIVE considered on SS109 - 5.56 ammo

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Cross posting is frowned upon, but I'm putting this up in 3 forums- Ammo, Lounge, and M&P15.
We want to get the word out.
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ATF is considering a ban on SS109 ammo!
("Green Tip" 5.56mm NATO aka M855)

It was originally exempted from the Armor Piercing ban because it was a rifle cartridge with a legitimate sporting use, i.e. target shooting.

With the availability of AR type handguns, this ammo is now endangered under the ban on armor piercing handgun ammo!

See the complete document here-
http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi..._primarily_intended_for_sporting_purposes.pdf

ATF will carefully consider all comments, as appropriate, received on or before March 16, 2015

Submit comments in any of three ways (but do not submit the same comments multiple times or by more than one method)

ATF website - [email protected] Follow the instructions for submitting comment

Fax: (202) 648-9741

Mail:
Denise Brown Attn: AP Ammo Comments
Mailstop 6N-602 - Office of Regulatory Affairs
BATFE
99 New York Avenue
Washington, DC 2022

PLEASE comment, but keep it reasonable, folks.
Cussing them out will NOT help us!
 
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I don't like the gubment stepping on us with more dumb rules...but at the same time there are way better ammo options out there than SS109.
 
dullh said:
I don't like the gubment stepping on us with more dumb rules...but at the same time there are way better ammo options out there than SS109.
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Even though I don't fire SS109 green tip, it won't stop me from submitting my comment. Give them an inch, and they'll take a mile. They've done this over and over again. ATF & Executive Orders = an affront to democracy and the republic. Let's just make rules without any oversight. :mad:
 
dullh said:
I don't like the gubment stepping on us with more dumb rules...but at the same time there are way better ammo options out there than SS109.
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While I agree with you, how long before they go after the other ammo options as not having a "sporting purpose"?

I also saw that a ban on magazines with a capacity higher than 10 has been introduced in Congress again.
 
The XM855 has now become the new 22lr. For Poop and giggles, I've looked at some places for the xm855 and its either sold out or on back order. Checking gunbroker, $346 for 420 round can that was dropping in price as lil as $160. The sheeple are creating their own panic now.
 
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Anyone remember in the early 1970's that Winchester came out with an AP round in .357? It was copper plated over ???????. It had a pointed nose.
It came in a 50 round box. I recall it was not very accurate and we carried it in some of our duty revolvers to take out engine blocks if needed.
 
They want to ban my M855?

Those idiots must stay awake all night dreaming up stuff to ban...

I guess ill have to dig a hole and burry all of it along with my .22LR and 33rd Glock mags. :rolleyes:

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ChattanoogaPhil said:
They want to ban my M855?

Those idiots must stay awake all night dreaming up stuff to ban...
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Possession is legal, by statute. You won't be able to buy the ammo or bullets in the future.
Plain language reading of the statutes made this proposed ruling inevitable, IMO, notice this stuff stayed legal by regulatory exemption. Suggest writing congressman to amend the laws.
 
On gunbroker, someone paid $436 for a 420 round can of XM855. Unbelievable what the word "BAN" in a sentence can do to a product.
 
You give them a open door and they put their foot in, then they drag their self all way through and once they do that and lock it, we are doomed. :(
 
X Ring Ranch said:
Anyone remember in the early 1970's that Winchester came out with an AP round in .357? It was copper plated over ???????. It had a pointed nose.
It came in a 50 round box. I recall it was not very accurate and we carried it in some of our duty revolvers to take out engine blocks if needed.
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I still have a couple of boxes that my dad bought. We used to use it to bust old motors at his garage for entertainment. Bust a short block all to heck.

I'm saving them for special occasions.
 
I'm afraid the thing a lot of people are missing here is the flag flying thing.

They're just running this up the flagpole to see who salutes. If they get away with this fairly benign and small subset, all bets are off. That's what they are up to. No doubt about it in my mind.
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
They want to ban my M855?

Those idiots must stay awake all night dreaming up stuff to ban...

I guess ill have to dig a hole and burry all of it along with my .22LR and 33rd Glock mags. :rolleyes:

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Did they package that in cardboard "ammo cans" because they figured that the steel penetrator round would go through the metal ones anyway? :D
 
If "sporting purpose" included target practice, they could not get away with much of this kind of administrative ban.

Unfortunately, I seem to remember that "sporting purpose" does not include target practice according to ATF.

Just why that is so is not clear.
 
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Perhaps the irony in banning the Green tip ammo is that standard .223 ball ammo will defeat the standard issue vest without a steel or ceramic plate insert for rifle ammo .
 
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